Back from vacation. As an American, i feel poor.

[Arty]

Also, what does pro-China mean?

It simply means I maybe biased toward China. For example, if you can’t get through China’s Great Firewall, then you are not as smart as you think. My cousin’s house in Shanghai have all TV channels including all Taiwan’s channels. I think Taiwan is part of China and I don’t buy self-determination crapola. Of course, if Taiwan beats China during the potential invasion, Taiwan can do whatever she wants but not before. Personally, I think Dalai Lama is closer to a terrorist than you think. Let me ask you who opened fire first before his exile (go look at CIA report). And there is nothing wrong to develop military technology. Heck, we are still building new nuclear warheads when we are trying to stop so called the axis of evils from building their first (you do know hypocrites go to one of lowest level of hell right).
As bussinessmen having mistreses, I went out with one of the richest man from Shenzhen according to my cousin, he refuses to go to hostess bars, and we spent whole night in a legit KTV place. My uncle manages 5 factories in Shanghai, he doesn’t have a mistress. Maybe your classmates are just unfaithful husbands. I think it speak more about them and your association with them. Btw, we did went to a hostess bar the next day, and several of the married men actually have their wives with them (and no we didn’t take the hostess out :)).

However, I am still very critical of Chinese policies as you can see from my post above, and I think you are the one need to get REAL.

[Dukehorn]

Hey Borat.

Never said we didn’t have inequities here. I’ve worked with the Peace Corps and Teach for America so I know. Also, when I’m backpacking in South America, I’m not staying in “gated communities”. As for Enron, that’s why Sarbanes Oxley was passed, right?

Totally disingenous to compare the SEC and our policies to what’s going on in China.

As for Pro China man.

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn’t want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

There’s a big gap between the Taiwanese in the US and the Chinese in the US. Most of the Taiwanese here are US citizens first. A lot of the Chinese here root for China over the US. I’m won’t even go into the psychology behind it.

Also, I never said China couldn’t or shouldn’t develop its military. It is its own sovereign state. My statement is the Chinese military, esp. its navy, is being developed solely to oppose US military influence. That’s fine if you’re a Chinese citizen. If you’re a US citizen, you should be concerned. And if you root for China in a military buildup over the US, give up your citizenship here and go back.

Nice avoidance of the piracy and environmental issues. If your relatives are doing well in China, you know there are some very greased palms there, but feel free to ignore it as a homer.

[Dukehorn]

Hey Borat.

Never said we didn’t have inequities here. I’ve worked with the Peace Corps and Teach for America so I know. Also, when I’m backpacking in South America, I’m not staying in “gated communities”. As for Enron, that’s why Sarbanes Oxley was passed, right?

Totally disingenous to compare the SEC and our policies to what’s going on in China.

As for Pro China man.

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn’t want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

There’s a big gap between the Taiwanese in the US and the Chinese in the US. Most of the Taiwanese here are US citizens first. A lot of the Chinese here root for China over the US. I’m won’t even go into the psychology behind it.

Also, I never said China couldn’t or shouldn’t develop its military. It is its own sovereign state. My statement is the Chinese military, esp. its navy, is being developed solely to oppose US military influence. That’s fine if you’re a Chinese citizen. If you’re a US citizen, you should be concerned. And if you root for China in a military buildup over the US, give up your citizenship here and go back.

Nice avoidance of the piracy and environmental issues. If your relatives are doing well in China, you know there are some very greased palms there, but feel free to ignore it as a homer.

[Dukehorn]

Hey Borat.

Never said we didn’t have inequities here. I’ve worked with the Peace Corps and Teach for America so I know. Also, when I’m backpacking in South America, I’m not staying in “gated communities”. As for Enron, that’s why Sarbanes Oxley was passed, right?

Totally disingenous to compare the SEC and our policies to what’s going on in China.

As for Pro China man.

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn’t want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

There’s a big gap between the Taiwanese in the US and the Chinese in the US. Most of the Taiwanese here are US citizens first. A lot of the Chinese here root for China over the US. I’m won’t even go into the psychology behind it.

Also, I never said China couldn’t or shouldn’t develop its military. It is its own sovereign state. My statement is the Chinese military, esp. its navy, is being developed solely to oppose US military influence. That’s fine if you’re a Chinese citizen. If you’re a US citizen, you should be concerned. And if you root for China in a military buildup over the US, give up your citizenship here and go back.

Nice avoidance of the piracy and environmental issues. If your relatives are doing well in China, you know there are some very greased palms there, but feel free to ignore it as a homer.

[patientlywaiting]

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn't want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

This is a legal issue based on international law.  Taiwan up until about 10 years ago claimed to be part of China and the political leadership claimed to represent all Chinese in the mainland.  The Kuomintang still claims to represent all of China.

So, in the eyes of the world,  how can the Taiwanese renounce something they claimed all along?   If Taiwan wanted to break away from China, it should've done so a long time ago.  

BTW, the USA (and most of the world) says that Taiwan is part of China.

 

[patientlywaiting]

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn't want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

This is a legal issue based on international law.  Taiwan up until about 10 years ago claimed to be part of China and the political leadership claimed to represent all Chinese in the mainland.  The Kuomintang still claims to represent all of China.

So, in the eyes of the world,  how can the Taiwanese renounce something they claimed all along?   If Taiwan wanted to break away from China, it should've done so a long time ago.  

BTW, the USA (and most of the world) says that Taiwan is part of China.

 

[patientlywaiting]

What gives China the right to prevent the Taiwanese from self-determination? What makes you think Taiwan should be part of China if most of Taiwan doesn't want to be? Taiwan has been a struggling democracy for 40 years and developed its industry separately from the communist government.

This is a legal issue based on international law.  Taiwan up until about 10 years ago claimed to be part of China and the political leadership claimed to represent all Chinese in the mainland.  The Kuomintang still claims to represent all of China.

So, in the eyes of the world,  how can the Taiwanese renounce something they claimed all along?   If Taiwan wanted to break away from China, it should've done so a long time ago.  

BTW, the USA (and most of the world) says that Taiwan is part of China.

 

[patientlywaiting]

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful?

What's wrong with that? Isn't it a perk of success? Don't all America "leaders" have mistresses also? They just hide it better.

Having multiple relationships is as old as the world itself, even older than the concept of marriage. Look at the Western kings, queens, bishops, cardinals and tycoons. BTW, American businessmen overseas (Eastern Europe, China, etc..) all have mistresses. I’ve seen it myself.

[patientlywaiting]

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful?

What's wrong with that? Isn't it a perk of success? Don't all America "leaders" have mistresses also? They just hide it better.

Having multiple relationships is as old as the world itself, even older than the concept of marriage. Look at the Western kings, queens, bishops, cardinals and tycoons. BTW, American businessmen overseas (Eastern Europe, China, etc..) all have mistresses. I’ve seen it myself.

[patientlywaiting]

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful?

What's wrong with that? Isn't it a perk of success? Don't all America "leaders" have mistresses also? They just hide it better.

Having multiple relationships is as old as the world itself, even older than the concept of marriage. Look at the Western kings, queens, bishops, cardinals and tycoons. BTW, American businessmen overseas (Eastern Europe, China, etc..) all have mistresses. I’ve seen it myself.

[Borat]

Duke, you’ve got lots of good points and cheers for roughing it on your travels down there. But I’m sure you’ve seen just how desperate the situation is for so many down there. I was just trying to point out that Chinese corruption, poverty, and pollution isn’t that different than the variety that you see in places like Peru or Ecuador. At least they have elections in Peru as opposed to China, but most of the poor people I met down there didn’t feel that their politicians did anything for them.

The piracy issue is a good one, they don’t respect western property rights at all. And of course they produce massive amounts of pollution and have a bad human rights record. Makes you wonder why we import so many goods from them, doesn’t it? Oh yeah, it’s because Bubba signed that free trade agreement with them back in the 90s. Thanks Bubba.

[Borat]

Duke, you’ve got lots of good points and cheers for roughing it on your travels down there. But I’m sure you’ve seen just how desperate the situation is for so many down there. I was just trying to point out that Chinese corruption, poverty, and pollution isn’t that different than the variety that you see in places like Peru or Ecuador. At least they have elections in Peru as opposed to China, but most of the poor people I met down there didn’t feel that their politicians did anything for them.

The piracy issue is a good one, they don’t respect western property rights at all. And of course they produce massive amounts of pollution and have a bad human rights record. Makes you wonder why we import so many goods from them, doesn’t it? Oh yeah, it’s because Bubba signed that free trade agreement with them back in the 90s. Thanks Bubba.

[Borat]

Duke, you’ve got lots of good points and cheers for roughing it on your travels down there. But I’m sure you’ve seen just how desperate the situation is for so many down there. I was just trying to point out that Chinese corruption, poverty, and pollution isn’t that different than the variety that you see in places like Peru or Ecuador. At least they have elections in Peru as opposed to China, but most of the poor people I met down there didn’t feel that their politicians did anything for them.

The piracy issue is a good one, they don’t respect western property rights at all. And of course they produce massive amounts of pollution and have a bad human rights record. Makes you wonder why we import so many goods from them, doesn’t it? Oh yeah, it’s because Bubba signed that free trade agreement with them back in the 90s. Thanks Bubba.

[JWM in SD]

“…As an American, i feel poor.”

And you will feel poorer still thanks to Benny this afternoon. I haven’t been to China since ’99 so a lot has changed since then. IT was like being on another planet back then.

[JWM in SD]

“…As an American, i feel poor.”

And you will feel poorer still thanks to Benny this afternoon. I haven’t been to China since ’99 so a lot has changed since then. IT was like being on another planet back then.

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