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November 6, 2007 at 12:52 PM #96363November 6, 2007 at 12:52 PM #96371patientlywaitingParticipant
So China has the first trillion dollar company.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/05/news/international/bc.as.fin.china.petrochina.ap/index.htm
China starting to have the biggest of everything (dam, building, university, etc..), just like America did a century ago.
We need to worry when China gets to become the biggest consumer market. We are still some ways from that but it’s not a question of if but when.
They already have the biggest cell phone market and soon to have the biggest computer market. Eventually, we’ll have to follow their standards.
Remember San Diego’s Gateway Computers? It’s now Acer of Taiwan/China.
November 6, 2007 at 1:09 PM #96298bsrsharmaParticipantRemember San Diego's Gateway Computers? It's now Acer of Taiwan/China.
IBM PC is now Lenovo
Huawei is buying 3Com
Cisco is increasing its footprint in China
Intel is opening fab in China
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I am predicting at least one of the big 3 Autos will end up Chinese.
November 6, 2007 at 1:09 PM #96361bsrsharmaParticipantRemember San Diego's Gateway Computers? It's now Acer of Taiwan/China.
IBM PC is now Lenovo
Huawei is buying 3Com
Cisco is increasing its footprint in China
Intel is opening fab in China
…..
I am predicting at least one of the big 3 Autos will end up Chinese.
November 6, 2007 at 1:09 PM #96367bsrsharmaParticipantRemember San Diego's Gateway Computers? It's now Acer of Taiwan/China.
IBM PC is now Lenovo
Huawei is buying 3Com
Cisco is increasing its footprint in China
Intel is opening fab in China
…..
I am predicting at least one of the big 3 Autos will end up Chinese.
November 6, 2007 at 1:09 PM #96377bsrsharmaParticipantRemember San Diego's Gateway Computers? It's now Acer of Taiwan/China.
IBM PC is now Lenovo
Huawei is buying 3Com
Cisco is increasing its footprint in China
Intel is opening fab in China
…..
I am predicting at least one of the big 3 Autos will end up Chinese.
November 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM #96306kewpParticipantWe need to worry when China gets to become the biggest consumer market. We are still some ways from that but it’s not a question of if but when.
As long as they keep consuming US higher education products, its all good to me.
However, I don’t see them setting standards anytime soon. Given that intellectual property has no value in China I can’t see the incentive, from a free market standpoint, to innovate in that area. There is a very good reason that all the best tech comes from the West.
Anyways, from a quality-of-life perspective, the average American enjoys a much richer experience than the average Asian. But we both trail the Europeans by a significant margin.
November 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM #96369kewpParticipantWe need to worry when China gets to become the biggest consumer market. We are still some ways from that but it’s not a question of if but when.
As long as they keep consuming US higher education products, its all good to me.
However, I don’t see them setting standards anytime soon. Given that intellectual property has no value in China I can’t see the incentive, from a free market standpoint, to innovate in that area. There is a very good reason that all the best tech comes from the West.
Anyways, from a quality-of-life perspective, the average American enjoys a much richer experience than the average Asian. But we both trail the Europeans by a significant margin.
November 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM #96376kewpParticipantWe need to worry when China gets to become the biggest consumer market. We are still some ways from that but it’s not a question of if but when.
As long as they keep consuming US higher education products, its all good to me.
However, I don’t see them setting standards anytime soon. Given that intellectual property has no value in China I can’t see the incentive, from a free market standpoint, to innovate in that area. There is a very good reason that all the best tech comes from the West.
Anyways, from a quality-of-life perspective, the average American enjoys a much richer experience than the average Asian. But we both trail the Europeans by a significant margin.
November 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM #96385kewpParticipantWe need to worry when China gets to become the biggest consumer market. We are still some ways from that but it’s not a question of if but when.
As long as they keep consuming US higher education products, its all good to me.
However, I don’t see them setting standards anytime soon. Given that intellectual property has no value in China I can’t see the incentive, from a free market standpoint, to innovate in that area. There is a very good reason that all the best tech comes from the West.
Anyways, from a quality-of-life perspective, the average American enjoys a much richer experience than the average Asian. But we both trail the Europeans by a significant margin.
November 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM #96314mrwrongParticipantComparing today’s China to today’s US is not going to be very meaningful and trying to defend the obvious fact US is better than China only demonstrates US insecurity.
What’s more meaningful is comparing today’s China against itself 20/30 years ago. I think there is no doubt that tremendous progress has been made since the 1970’s, at least based on the Western standards for progress.
Mr. Wrong
November 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM #96375mrwrongParticipantComparing today’s China to today’s US is not going to be very meaningful and trying to defend the obvious fact US is better than China only demonstrates US insecurity.
What’s more meaningful is comparing today’s China against itself 20/30 years ago. I think there is no doubt that tremendous progress has been made since the 1970’s, at least based on the Western standards for progress.
Mr. Wrong
November 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM #96383mrwrongParticipantComparing today’s China to today’s US is not going to be very meaningful and trying to defend the obvious fact US is better than China only demonstrates US insecurity.
What’s more meaningful is comparing today’s China against itself 20/30 years ago. I think there is no doubt that tremendous progress has been made since the 1970’s, at least based on the Western standards for progress.
Mr. Wrong
November 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM #96393mrwrongParticipantComparing today’s China to today’s US is not going to be very meaningful and trying to defend the obvious fact US is better than China only demonstrates US insecurity.
What’s more meaningful is comparing today’s China against itself 20/30 years ago. I think there is no doubt that tremendous progress has been made since the 1970’s, at least based on the Western standards for progress.
Mr. Wrong
November 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM #96318kewpParticipantComparing today’s China to today’s US is not going to be very meaningful and trying to defend the obvious fact US is better than China only demonstrates US insecurity.
No insecurity here, man.
The trend is that innovation happens in American/Japan/Europe and the manufacturing is done in China.
Ultimately for the consumer, both are important. If the iPhone cost $1,000 due to being manufactured by union workers in Idaho it wouldn’t have been nearly as popular.Yes, China has made tremendous progress. But so has America/Europe. They were farther behind so it just looks more significant from over here.
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