Back from vacation. As an American, i feel poor.

[greensd]

I’ve never been to China, but I’ve been lots of other places, and a trap I know it’s easy to fall into is to assume that people you see on the street have everything you take for granted as an American *plus* the extra stuff you see. That’s not necessarily the case. So, for example, they might have a new car, designer clothes, and the latest cell phone, but you don’t see that they live with three generations of their family in a two room flat, or they only have electricity 22 hours a day, or they share a bathroom with the whole neighborhood, or they work 65 hours a week, or they have untreated tuberculosis, or whatever. You might not feel as poor as an American if you knew the whole story of their lives.

[kewp]

China has almost a billion more people than USA

The vast majority of which are dirt poor to a degree that makes the average American look wealthy.

Easy to forget that!

Anyways, my take is that there is a global rebalancing going on that will bring up the quality of the average Asians life while bringing ours down a peg. Can’t say I have too much of a problem with that.

[kewp]

China has almost a billion more people than USA

The vast majority of which are dirt poor to a degree that makes the average American look wealthy.

Easy to forget that!

Anyways, my take is that there is a global rebalancing going on that will bring up the quality of the average Asians life while bringing ours down a peg. Can’t say I have too much of a problem with that.

[kewp]

China has almost a billion more people than USA

The vast majority of which are dirt poor to a degree that makes the average American look wealthy.

Easy to forget that!

Anyways, my take is that there is a global rebalancing going on that will bring up the quality of the average Asians life while bringing ours down a peg. Can’t say I have too much of a problem with that.

[patientlywaiting]

Should be "average Cho"…

Cho is Korean.  But look at South Korea.  It's a developed economy with a dynamic industries.  Film editing is big business in Korea.  Many American talents work there in film and advertizing.  You wouldn't know it but many Hollywood movies are edited in Korea. 

Sure, America is still supreme but we need to be more paranoid (as Andy Grove said) and work harder. 

[patientlywaiting]

Should be "average Cho"…

Cho is Korean.  But look at South Korea.  It's a developed economy with a dynamic industries.  Film editing is big business in Korea.  Many American talents work there in film and advertizing.  You wouldn't know it but many Hollywood movies are edited in Korea. 

Sure, America is still supreme but we need to be more paranoid (as Andy Grove said) and work harder. 

[patientlywaiting]

Should be "average Cho"…

Cho is Korean.  But look at South Korea.  It's a developed economy with a dynamic industries.  Film editing is big business in Korea.  Many American talents work there in film and advertizing.  You wouldn't know it but many Hollywood movies are edited in Korea. 

Sure, America is still supreme but we need to be more paranoid (as Andy Grove said) and work harder. 

[Dukehorn]

I’m astonished at this post. I feel poor coming back from Europe even though they pay up the nose in taxes. We’re 2:1 vs the pound and 1:1 vs the Canadian dollar (as an example for folks who haven’t been to Europe recently).

Just because China is like Russia, where the well-connected are becoming filthy rich and there’s a sprawling underclass is no reason to be “jealous” unless you’re one of elite.

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing? Beijing is doing its makeover before the Olympics. They’re kicking out and hiding the poor.

From an economic viewpoint, it is easy to compete when you flaunt IP laws. Taiwan and Korea have gotten to the point that they want to protect their RnD as oppose to pirating it. The fact that China does not enforce its economic laws is not a reason to be jealous. If (and its a big if) they get to the point of commercializing their RnD, they’ll start feeling the pain of turning a blind eye to piracy over the last 15 years.

If you want to be jealous of a crowded, dirty city with no environmental protections, where the IOC in fact just publicly announced that they are worried about the health of the Olympic athletes for the next Summer games, it’s your right.

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Also, what does pro-China mean? You support a country that censors the internet and still cracks down on dissidents? A country that claims another country (Taiwan) where the people generally have no interest in becoming part of the mainland. A country that claims that the Dalai Lama is a terrorist? A country that recently bought sub technology from Russia for the express purpose of killing US aircraft carriers?

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful? (well some of my old classmates do)

Get real.

Sorry, I get passionate about this topic. Heck, my parents still go to protests at the UN over this stuff.

[Dukehorn]

I’m astonished at this post. I feel poor coming back from Europe even though they pay up the nose in taxes. We’re 2:1 vs the pound and 1:1 vs the Canadian dollar (as an example for folks who haven’t been to Europe recently).

Just because China is like Russia, where the well-connected are becoming filthy rich and there’s a sprawling underclass is no reason to be “jealous” unless you’re one of elite.

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing? Beijing is doing its makeover before the Olympics. They’re kicking out and hiding the poor.

From an economic viewpoint, it is easy to compete when you flaunt IP laws. Taiwan and Korea have gotten to the point that they want to protect their RnD as oppose to pirating it. The fact that China does not enforce its economic laws is not a reason to be jealous. If (and its a big if) they get to the point of commercializing their RnD, they’ll start feeling the pain of turning a blind eye to piracy over the last 15 years.

If you want to be jealous of a crowded, dirty city with no environmental protections, where the IOC in fact just publicly announced that they are worried about the health of the Olympic athletes for the next Summer games, it’s your right.

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Also, what does pro-China mean? You support a country that censors the internet and still cracks down on dissidents? A country that claims another country (Taiwan) where the people generally have no interest in becoming part of the mainland. A country that claims that the Dalai Lama is a terrorist? A country that recently bought sub technology from Russia for the express purpose of killing US aircraft carriers?

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful? (well some of my old classmates do)

Get real.

Sorry, I get passionate about this topic. Heck, my parents still go to protests at the UN over this stuff.

[Dukehorn]

I’m astonished at this post. I feel poor coming back from Europe even though they pay up the nose in taxes. We’re 2:1 vs the pound and 1:1 vs the Canadian dollar (as an example for folks who haven’t been to Europe recently).

Just because China is like Russia, where the well-connected are becoming filthy rich and there’s a sprawling underclass is no reason to be “jealous” unless you’re one of elite.

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing? Beijing is doing its makeover before the Olympics. They’re kicking out and hiding the poor.

From an economic viewpoint, it is easy to compete when you flaunt IP laws. Taiwan and Korea have gotten to the point that they want to protect their RnD as oppose to pirating it. The fact that China does not enforce its economic laws is not a reason to be jealous. If (and its a big if) they get to the point of commercializing their RnD, they’ll start feeling the pain of turning a blind eye to piracy over the last 15 years.

If you want to be jealous of a crowded, dirty city with no environmental protections, where the IOC in fact just publicly announced that they are worried about the health of the Olympic athletes for the next Summer games, it’s your right.

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Also, what does pro-China mean? You support a country that censors the internet and still cracks down on dissidents? A country that claims another country (Taiwan) where the people generally have no interest in becoming part of the mainland. A country that claims that the Dalai Lama is a terrorist? A country that recently bought sub technology from Russia for the express purpose of killing US aircraft carriers?

A country where businessmen have to have mistresses in order to be successful? (well some of my old classmates do)

Get real.

Sorry, I get passionate about this topic. Heck, my parents still go to protests at the UN over this stuff.

[Borat]

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yep there is no corruption in the USA. Enron? Just a good business model that got screwed up by a couple of bad apples. And certainly there isn’t any background poverty here in the US. Appalachia? What’s that? South Texas colonias? Never heard of ’em. Mississippi? Isn’t that a kind of pie?

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Yes, you’ll be much more comfortable in Peru and Ecuador where all of the wealthy people are protected by high fences and private guards with machine guns to keep the teeming masses of impoverished, malnourished poor from tearing them limb from limb. It’s not all Macchu Picchu and Cuzco down there, trust me. Actually I do recommend travel to South America because it will prepare you for the future of this country. Privatized everything. Rampant corruption. Massive numbers of dispossessed poor people. Old diseases you thought didn’t exist anymore, like leprosy, cholera, and typhoid. Coming soon to your town! Hopefully you’ve got enough money saved up to hire some private guards…

[Borat]

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yep there is no corruption in the USA. Enron? Just a good business model that got screwed up by a couple of bad apples. And certainly there isn’t any background poverty here in the US. Appalachia? What’s that? South Texas colonias? Never heard of ’em. Mississippi? Isn’t that a kind of pie?

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Yes, you’ll be much more comfortable in Peru and Ecuador where all of the wealthy people are protected by high fences and private guards with machine guns to keep the teeming masses of impoverished, malnourished poor from tearing them limb from limb. It’s not all Macchu Picchu and Cuzco down there, trust me. Actually I do recommend travel to South America because it will prepare you for the future of this country. Privatized everything. Rampant corruption. Massive numbers of dispossessed poor people. Old diseases you thought didn’t exist anymore, like leprosy, cholera, and typhoid. Coming soon to your town! Hopefully you’ve got enough money saved up to hire some private guards…

[Borat]

I wouldn’t even try to equate ourselves with China. Do you have a good sense of how much corruption is going on over there and how much background poverty you are not seeing?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yep there is no corruption in the USA. Enron? Just a good business model that got screwed up by a couple of bad apples. And certainly there isn’t any background poverty here in the US. Appalachia? What’s that? South Texas colonias? Never heard of ’em. Mississippi? Isn’t that a kind of pie?

I told my extended family that I have absolutely no interest in wasting my vacation time in visiting relatives in China when I can be hiking down in Peru or Ecuador and not be caught up by the crass commercialism and culture of excess that you currently see over there.

Yes, you’ll be much more comfortable in Peru and Ecuador where all of the wealthy people are protected by high fences and private guards with machine guns to keep the teeming masses of impoverished, malnourished poor from tearing them limb from limb. It’s not all Macchu Picchu and Cuzco down there, trust me. Actually I do recommend travel to South America because it will prepare you for the future of this country. Privatized everything. Rampant corruption. Massive numbers of dispossessed poor people. Old diseases you thought didn’t exist anymore, like leprosy, cholera, and typhoid. Coming soon to your town! Hopefully you’ve got enough money saved up to hire some private guards…

[Arty]

Also, what does pro-China mean?

It simply means I maybe biased toward China. For example, if you can’t get through China’s Great Firewall, then you are not as smart as you think. My cousin’s house in Shanghai have all TV channels including all Taiwan’s channels. I think Taiwan is part of China and I don’t buy self-determination crapola. Of course, if Taiwan beats China during the potential invasion, Taiwan can do whatever she wants but not before. Personally, I think Dalai Lama is closer to a terrorist than you think. Let me ask you who opened fire first before his exile (go look at CIA report). And there is nothing wrong to develop military technology. Heck, we are still building new nuclear warheads when we are trying to stop so called the axis of evils from building their first (you do know hypocrites go to one of lowest level of hell right).
As bussinessmen having mistreses, I went out with one of the richest man from Shenzhen according to my cousin, he refuses to go to hostess bars, and we spent whole night in a legit KTV place. My uncle manages 5 factories in Shanghai, he doesn’t have a mistress. Maybe your classmates are just unfaithful husbands. I think it speak more about them and your association with them. Btw, we did went to a hostess bar the next day, and several of the married men actually have their wives with them (and no we didn’t take the hostess out :)).

However, I am still very critical of Chinese policies as you can see from my post above, and I think you are the one need to get REAL.

[Arty]

Also, what does pro-China mean?

It simply means I maybe biased toward China. For example, if you can’t get through China’s Great Firewall, then you are not as smart as you think. My cousin’s house in Shanghai have all TV channels including all Taiwan’s channels. I think Taiwan is part of China and I don’t buy self-determination crapola. Of course, if Taiwan beats China during the potential invasion, Taiwan can do whatever she wants but not before. Personally, I think Dalai Lama is closer to a terrorist than you think. Let me ask you who opened fire first before his exile (go look at CIA report). And there is nothing wrong to develop military technology. Heck, we are still building new nuclear warheads when we are trying to stop so called the axis of evils from building their first (you do know hypocrites go to one of lowest level of hell right).
As bussinessmen having mistreses, I went out with one of the richest man from Shenzhen according to my cousin, he refuses to go to hostess bars, and we spent whole night in a legit KTV place. My uncle manages 5 factories in Shanghai, he doesn’t have a mistress. Maybe your classmates are just unfaithful husbands. I think it speak more about them and your association with them. Btw, we did went to a hostess bar the next day, and several of the married men actually have their wives with them (and no we didn’t take the hostess out :)).

However, I am still very critical of Chinese policies as you can see from my post above, and I think you are the one need to get REAL.

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