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August 6, 2009 at 1:29 AM #442215August 6, 2009 at 1:55 AM #441452
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Participant[quote=murf2222] Speaking of 9/11……..if another plane smashes into a high rise how many firefighters you think will be running in there? NONE! They will be stringing yellow caution tape around the perimeter to keep everyone, including themselves from going anywhere near it. YOU CAN BET ON IT!
The only reason that those poor bastards willingly went in there was because NONE of them thought those things were gonna come down.
Cops on the other hand have a much riskier job. In my opinion they should be insulted that Firemen get mentioned in the same breath.
BTW…..no I am NOT a cop and don’t know any personally.
Murf2222[/quote]
How does the most eloquent post and the most absurd end up being from the same author? The following rant is not directed at you, in fact I’m rather impressed with your observation, it’s just a rant meant directed at everyone, so nothing personal.
Murph, you nailed one, since i know some of both and you admitted to knowing neither, yes, cops can be quite envious of firemen. It’s more akin to a navy/marines thing than real envy since they work hand in hand and have to do many similar things. Cops complain that firemen are better paid, work less hours and at the end of the day, chicks dig them and they make calendars with them profiled and they get to work out on duty. Nobody hates them because of a ticket they got, rarely do people try to or succeed in killing them and they get to wait in a cozy firehouse for the next call, using comfortable and familiar restroom facilites. But it ends there, when the next call of a SIDS death or a gruesome vehicle collison comes out, they both go, they both cry inside and the petty jealousy is seen for what it really is, by them both, they realize they are but a band of brothers (or sisters).
The most absurd statement was that if there was ever something similar to 9/11 that they wouldn’t risk their lives knowing the risk, that only the unknown can be credited for their bravery, now that is horseshit. I’ll give you a pass because you’ve never been in the presence of bravery, but there are brave men and women who take risks every day, knowing the risks and they will do it again tomorrow and the next day. Those folks wont break out the yellow tape, they never have, never will, sure it’s not every single one, cowardess can be hidden but bravery cannot be supressed and it washes up in places like the military, fire, police, trauma centers and a couple other places.
It’s kinda ugly how the lord of the flies mentality surfaces in bad times, this is the second time we’ve had a thread like this. Go ahead, reform the pensions, lower the pay, whatever. Ignore that the vast majority of government workers are not really needed and are not in the aforementioned categories. Ignore the fact that california’s woes have more to do with the fact that it has 11% of the nation’s population but has 33% of the nations welfare recipients. Ignore it all, go after the heroes you envy, sit in comfort and say that you can do it just as well. Guess what, even without a pension, without the pay that only now seems high, they will still do what they do, they will still take risks and be heroes because that is what they are. It’s a shame that most cannot see that there are things they are not suited for and appreciate those who are. As required by my contract, the sports reference: Lamar Odom was recently signed to a multiyear, multi million dollar contract, thus preserving my sanity. Do I begrudge him an obscene amount of money for a job that many would do for free? Hell no, I thank him and some of those dollars are mine, actually quite a few of them. He does what I can’t do and what I need him to do for me. You see, if Kevin Garnett was punking Kobe around the rim, I can’t back him down, I can’t get in his face, I can’t steal the rebound, I need a hero, so I pay lamar for what I need but cannot do, I am a great man but I am less of a man than Lamar, as soon as you realize that you a great man, but that you need those that are greater or stronger than you, it will be easier to understand.
Try this experiment, go rent the ten hour miniseries, “band of brothers.” After watching them do things you will never have to, complain about the fact that the VA gave those vets lifetime medical insurance. Then casually walk to your bathroom mirror, slap yourself in the face and apologize to yourself for being such a pussy. i will never know the feeling of how cold bastogne was, I am eternally grateful for those who did and eternally ashamed that I didn’t.
August 6, 2009 at 1:55 AM #441648Participant[quote=murf2222] Speaking of 9/11……..if another plane smashes into a high rise how many firefighters you think will be running in there? NONE! They will be stringing yellow caution tape around the perimeter to keep everyone, including themselves from going anywhere near it. YOU CAN BET ON IT!
The only reason that those poor bastards willingly went in there was because NONE of them thought those things were gonna come down.
Cops on the other hand have a much riskier job. In my opinion they should be insulted that Firemen get mentioned in the same breath.
BTW…..no I am NOT a cop and don’t know any personally.
Murf2222[/quote]
How does the most eloquent post and the most absurd end up being from the same author? The following rant is not directed at you, in fact I’m rather impressed with your observation, it’s just a rant meant directed at everyone, so nothing personal.
Murph, you nailed one, since i know some of both and you admitted to knowing neither, yes, cops can be quite envious of firemen. It’s more akin to a navy/marines thing than real envy since they work hand in hand and have to do many similar things. Cops complain that firemen are better paid, work less hours and at the end of the day, chicks dig them and they make calendars with them profiled and they get to work out on duty. Nobody hates them because of a ticket they got, rarely do people try to or succeed in killing them and they get to wait in a cozy firehouse for the next call, using comfortable and familiar restroom facilites. But it ends there, when the next call of a SIDS death or a gruesome vehicle collison comes out, they both go, they both cry inside and the petty jealousy is seen for what it really is, by them both, they realize they are but a band of brothers (or sisters).
The most absurd statement was that if there was ever something similar to 9/11 that they wouldn’t risk their lives knowing the risk, that only the unknown can be credited for their bravery, now that is horseshit. I’ll give you a pass because you’ve never been in the presence of bravery, but there are brave men and women who take risks every day, knowing the risks and they will do it again tomorrow and the next day. Those folks wont break out the yellow tape, they never have, never will, sure it’s not every single one, cowardess can be hidden but bravery cannot be supressed and it washes up in places like the military, fire, police, trauma centers and a couple other places.
It’s kinda ugly how the lord of the flies mentality surfaces in bad times, this is the second time we’ve had a thread like this. Go ahead, reform the pensions, lower the pay, whatever. Ignore that the vast majority of government workers are not really needed and are not in the aforementioned categories. Ignore the fact that california’s woes have more to do with the fact that it has 11% of the nation’s population but has 33% of the nations welfare recipients. Ignore it all, go after the heroes you envy, sit in comfort and say that you can do it just as well. Guess what, even without a pension, without the pay that only now seems high, they will still do what they do, they will still take risks and be heroes because that is what they are. It’s a shame that most cannot see that there are things they are not suited for and appreciate those who are. As required by my contract, the sports reference: Lamar Odom was recently signed to a multiyear, multi million dollar contract, thus preserving my sanity. Do I begrudge him an obscene amount of money for a job that many would do for free? Hell no, I thank him and some of those dollars are mine, actually quite a few of them. He does what I can’t do and what I need him to do for me. You see, if Kevin Garnett was punking Kobe around the rim, I can’t back him down, I can’t get in his face, I can’t steal the rebound, I need a hero, so I pay lamar for what I need but cannot do, I am a great man but I am less of a man than Lamar, as soon as you realize that you a great man, but that you need those that are greater or stronger than you, it will be easier to understand.
Try this experiment, go rent the ten hour miniseries, “band of brothers.” After watching them do things you will never have to, complain about the fact that the VA gave those vets lifetime medical insurance. Then casually walk to your bathroom mirror, slap yourself in the face and apologize to yourself for being such a pussy. i will never know the feeling of how cold bastogne was, I am eternally grateful for those who did and eternally ashamed that I didn’t.
August 6, 2009 at 1:55 AM #441981Participant[quote=murf2222] Speaking of 9/11……..if another plane smashes into a high rise how many firefighters you think will be running in there? NONE! They will be stringing yellow caution tape around the perimeter to keep everyone, including themselves from going anywhere near it. YOU CAN BET ON IT!
The only reason that those poor bastards willingly went in there was because NONE of them thought those things were gonna come down.
Cops on the other hand have a much riskier job. In my opinion they should be insulted that Firemen get mentioned in the same breath.
BTW…..no I am NOT a cop and don’t know any personally.
Murf2222[/quote]
How does the most eloquent post and the most absurd end up being from the same author? The following rant is not directed at you, in fact I’m rather impressed with your observation, it’s just a rant meant directed at everyone, so nothing personal.
Murph, you nailed one, since i know some of both and you admitted to knowing neither, yes, cops can be quite envious of firemen. It’s more akin to a navy/marines thing than real envy since they work hand in hand and have to do many similar things. Cops complain that firemen are better paid, work less hours and at the end of the day, chicks dig them and they make calendars with them profiled and they get to work out on duty. Nobody hates them because of a ticket they got, rarely do people try to or succeed in killing them and they get to wait in a cozy firehouse for the next call, using comfortable and familiar restroom facilites. But it ends there, when the next call of a SIDS death or a gruesome vehicle collison comes out, they both go, they both cry inside and the petty jealousy is seen for what it really is, by them both, they realize they are but a band of brothers (or sisters).
The most absurd statement was that if there was ever something similar to 9/11 that they wouldn’t risk their lives knowing the risk, that only the unknown can be credited for their bravery, now that is horseshit. I’ll give you a pass because you’ve never been in the presence of bravery, but there are brave men and women who take risks every day, knowing the risks and they will do it again tomorrow and the next day. Those folks wont break out the yellow tape, they never have, never will, sure it’s not every single one, cowardess can be hidden but bravery cannot be supressed and it washes up in places like the military, fire, police, trauma centers and a couple other places.
It’s kinda ugly how the lord of the flies mentality surfaces in bad times, this is the second time we’ve had a thread like this. Go ahead, reform the pensions, lower the pay, whatever. Ignore that the vast majority of government workers are not really needed and are not in the aforementioned categories. Ignore the fact that california’s woes have more to do with the fact that it has 11% of the nation’s population but has 33% of the nations welfare recipients. Ignore it all, go after the heroes you envy, sit in comfort and say that you can do it just as well. Guess what, even without a pension, without the pay that only now seems high, they will still do what they do, they will still take risks and be heroes because that is what they are. It’s a shame that most cannot see that there are things they are not suited for and appreciate those who are. As required by my contract, the sports reference: Lamar Odom was recently signed to a multiyear, multi million dollar contract, thus preserving my sanity. Do I begrudge him an obscene amount of money for a job that many would do for free? Hell no, I thank him and some of those dollars are mine, actually quite a few of them. He does what I can’t do and what I need him to do for me. You see, if Kevin Garnett was punking Kobe around the rim, I can’t back him down, I can’t get in his face, I can’t steal the rebound, I need a hero, so I pay lamar for what I need but cannot do, I am a great man but I am less of a man than Lamar, as soon as you realize that you a great man, but that you need those that are greater or stronger than you, it will be easier to understand.
Try this experiment, go rent the ten hour miniseries, “band of brothers.” After watching them do things you will never have to, complain about the fact that the VA gave those vets lifetime medical insurance. Then casually walk to your bathroom mirror, slap yourself in the face and apologize to yourself for being such a pussy. i will never know the feeling of how cold bastogne was, I am eternally grateful for those who did and eternally ashamed that I didn’t.
August 6, 2009 at 1:55 AM #442051Participant[quote=murf2222] Speaking of 9/11……..if another plane smashes into a high rise how many firefighters you think will be running in there? NONE! They will be stringing yellow caution tape around the perimeter to keep everyone, including themselves from going anywhere near it. YOU CAN BET ON IT!
The only reason that those poor bastards willingly went in there was because NONE of them thought those things were gonna come down.
Cops on the other hand have a much riskier job. In my opinion they should be insulted that Firemen get mentioned in the same breath.
BTW…..no I am NOT a cop and don’t know any personally.
Murf2222[/quote]
How does the most eloquent post and the most absurd end up being from the same author? The following rant is not directed at you, in fact I’m rather impressed with your observation, it’s just a rant meant directed at everyone, so nothing personal.
Murph, you nailed one, since i know some of both and you admitted to knowing neither, yes, cops can be quite envious of firemen. It’s more akin to a navy/marines thing than real envy since they work hand in hand and have to do many similar things. Cops complain that firemen are better paid, work less hours and at the end of the day, chicks dig them and they make calendars with them profiled and they get to work out on duty. Nobody hates them because of a ticket they got, rarely do people try to or succeed in killing them and they get to wait in a cozy firehouse for the next call, using comfortable and familiar restroom facilites. But it ends there, when the next call of a SIDS death or a gruesome vehicle collison comes out, they both go, they both cry inside and the petty jealousy is seen for what it really is, by them both, they realize they are but a band of brothers (or sisters).
The most absurd statement was that if there was ever something similar to 9/11 that they wouldn’t risk their lives knowing the risk, that only the unknown can be credited for their bravery, now that is horseshit. I’ll give you a pass because you’ve never been in the presence of bravery, but there are brave men and women who take risks every day, knowing the risks and they will do it again tomorrow and the next day. Those folks wont break out the yellow tape, they never have, never will, sure it’s not every single one, cowardess can be hidden but bravery cannot be supressed and it washes up in places like the military, fire, police, trauma centers and a couple other places.
It’s kinda ugly how the lord of the flies mentality surfaces in bad times, this is the second time we’ve had a thread like this. Go ahead, reform the pensions, lower the pay, whatever. Ignore that the vast majority of government workers are not really needed and are not in the aforementioned categories. Ignore the fact that california’s woes have more to do with the fact that it has 11% of the nation’s population but has 33% of the nations welfare recipients. Ignore it all, go after the heroes you envy, sit in comfort and say that you can do it just as well. Guess what, even without a pension, without the pay that only now seems high, they will still do what they do, they will still take risks and be heroes because that is what they are. It’s a shame that most cannot see that there are things they are not suited for and appreciate those who are. As required by my contract, the sports reference: Lamar Odom was recently signed to a multiyear, multi million dollar contract, thus preserving my sanity. Do I begrudge him an obscene amount of money for a job that many would do for free? Hell no, I thank him and some of those dollars are mine, actually quite a few of them. He does what I can’t do and what I need him to do for me. You see, if Kevin Garnett was punking Kobe around the rim, I can’t back him down, I can’t get in his face, I can’t steal the rebound, I need a hero, so I pay lamar for what I need but cannot do, I am a great man but I am less of a man than Lamar, as soon as you realize that you a great man, but that you need those that are greater or stronger than you, it will be easier to understand.
Try this experiment, go rent the ten hour miniseries, “band of brothers.” After watching them do things you will never have to, complain about the fact that the VA gave those vets lifetime medical insurance. Then casually walk to your bathroom mirror, slap yourself in the face and apologize to yourself for being such a pussy. i will never know the feeling of how cold bastogne was, I am eternally grateful for those who did and eternally ashamed that I didn’t.
August 6, 2009 at 1:55 AM #442225Participant[quote=murf2222] Speaking of 9/11……..if another plane smashes into a high rise how many firefighters you think will be running in there? NONE! They will be stringing yellow caution tape around the perimeter to keep everyone, including themselves from going anywhere near it. YOU CAN BET ON IT!
The only reason that those poor bastards willingly went in there was because NONE of them thought those things were gonna come down.
Cops on the other hand have a much riskier job. In my opinion they should be insulted that Firemen get mentioned in the same breath.
BTW…..no I am NOT a cop and don’t know any personally.
Murf2222[/quote]
How does the most eloquent post and the most absurd end up being from the same author? The following rant is not directed at you, in fact I’m rather impressed with your observation, it’s just a rant meant directed at everyone, so nothing personal.
Murph, you nailed one, since i know some of both and you admitted to knowing neither, yes, cops can be quite envious of firemen. It’s more akin to a navy/marines thing than real envy since they work hand in hand and have to do many similar things. Cops complain that firemen are better paid, work less hours and at the end of the day, chicks dig them and they make calendars with them profiled and they get to work out on duty. Nobody hates them because of a ticket they got, rarely do people try to or succeed in killing them and they get to wait in a cozy firehouse for the next call, using comfortable and familiar restroom facilites. But it ends there, when the next call of a SIDS death or a gruesome vehicle collison comes out, they both go, they both cry inside and the petty jealousy is seen for what it really is, by them both, they realize they are but a band of brothers (or sisters).
The most absurd statement was that if there was ever something similar to 9/11 that they wouldn’t risk their lives knowing the risk, that only the unknown can be credited for their bravery, now that is horseshit. I’ll give you a pass because you’ve never been in the presence of bravery, but there are brave men and women who take risks every day, knowing the risks and they will do it again tomorrow and the next day. Those folks wont break out the yellow tape, they never have, never will, sure it’s not every single one, cowardess can be hidden but bravery cannot be supressed and it washes up in places like the military, fire, police, trauma centers and a couple other places.
It’s kinda ugly how the lord of the flies mentality surfaces in bad times, this is the second time we’ve had a thread like this. Go ahead, reform the pensions, lower the pay, whatever. Ignore that the vast majority of government workers are not really needed and are not in the aforementioned categories. Ignore the fact that california’s woes have more to do with the fact that it has 11% of the nation’s population but has 33% of the nations welfare recipients. Ignore it all, go after the heroes you envy, sit in comfort and say that you can do it just as well. Guess what, even without a pension, without the pay that only now seems high, they will still do what they do, they will still take risks and be heroes because that is what they are. It’s a shame that most cannot see that there are things they are not suited for and appreciate those who are. As required by my contract, the sports reference: Lamar Odom was recently signed to a multiyear, multi million dollar contract, thus preserving my sanity. Do I begrudge him an obscene amount of money for a job that many would do for free? Hell no, I thank him and some of those dollars are mine, actually quite a few of them. He does what I can’t do and what I need him to do for me. You see, if Kevin Garnett was punking Kobe around the rim, I can’t back him down, I can’t get in his face, I can’t steal the rebound, I need a hero, so I pay lamar for what I need but cannot do, I am a great man but I am less of a man than Lamar, as soon as you realize that you a great man, but that you need those that are greater or stronger than you, it will be easier to understand.
Try this experiment, go rent the ten hour miniseries, “band of brothers.” After watching them do things you will never have to, complain about the fact that the VA gave those vets lifetime medical insurance. Then casually walk to your bathroom mirror, slap yourself in the face and apologize to yourself for being such a pussy. i will never know the feeling of how cold bastogne was, I am eternally grateful for those who did and eternally ashamed that I didn’t.
August 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM #441492Anonymous
GuestThe issue with state employee pensions is that the public does not understand just how much they cost.
Take an example of someone who retires at 50, with a pension of $80K/year (100% of their final pay, which is not uncommon.)
Now do a little finance math: If this person lives to age 75 (which is about average), they receive that payout for 25 years. Using a discount rate of 5%, the value of this pension at retirement age is $1.1 million. This is, in effect, what the state must set aside to cover the pension cost (which they are currently not doing.)
The public may be aware of state employee salaries, but few people understand that many are essentially getting a million plus dollar payout when they retire at an early age.
BTW: Do the math for military retirement and it is similar: after 20 years of service an enlisted person can get half pay forever (with COLA). With life expectancies where they are today, this is easily worth half a million dollars. Not a bad bonus for someone under the age of 40.
Do they deserve it? Many do. But can we afford it? Probably not.
August 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM #441688GuestThe issue with state employee pensions is that the public does not understand just how much they cost.
Take an example of someone who retires at 50, with a pension of $80K/year (100% of their final pay, which is not uncommon.)
Now do a little finance math: If this person lives to age 75 (which is about average), they receive that payout for 25 years. Using a discount rate of 5%, the value of this pension at retirement age is $1.1 million. This is, in effect, what the state must set aside to cover the pension cost (which they are currently not doing.)
The public may be aware of state employee salaries, but few people understand that many are essentially getting a million plus dollar payout when they retire at an early age.
BTW: Do the math for military retirement and it is similar: after 20 years of service an enlisted person can get half pay forever (with COLA). With life expectancies where they are today, this is easily worth half a million dollars. Not a bad bonus for someone under the age of 40.
Do they deserve it? Many do. But can we afford it? Probably not.
August 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM #442020GuestThe issue with state employee pensions is that the public does not understand just how much they cost.
Take an example of someone who retires at 50, with a pension of $80K/year (100% of their final pay, which is not uncommon.)
Now do a little finance math: If this person lives to age 75 (which is about average), they receive that payout for 25 years. Using a discount rate of 5%, the value of this pension at retirement age is $1.1 million. This is, in effect, what the state must set aside to cover the pension cost (which they are currently not doing.)
The public may be aware of state employee salaries, but few people understand that many are essentially getting a million plus dollar payout when they retire at an early age.
BTW: Do the math for military retirement and it is similar: after 20 years of service an enlisted person can get half pay forever (with COLA). With life expectancies where they are today, this is easily worth half a million dollars. Not a bad bonus for someone under the age of 40.
Do they deserve it? Many do. But can we afford it? Probably not.
August 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM #442091GuestThe issue with state employee pensions is that the public does not understand just how much they cost.
Take an example of someone who retires at 50, with a pension of $80K/year (100% of their final pay, which is not uncommon.)
Now do a little finance math: If this person lives to age 75 (which is about average), they receive that payout for 25 years. Using a discount rate of 5%, the value of this pension at retirement age is $1.1 million. This is, in effect, what the state must set aside to cover the pension cost (which they are currently not doing.)
The public may be aware of state employee salaries, but few people understand that many are essentially getting a million plus dollar payout when they retire at an early age.
BTW: Do the math for military retirement and it is similar: after 20 years of service an enlisted person can get half pay forever (with COLA). With life expectancies where they are today, this is easily worth half a million dollars. Not a bad bonus for someone under the age of 40.
Do they deserve it? Many do. But can we afford it? Probably not.
August 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM #442265GuestThe issue with state employee pensions is that the public does not understand just how much they cost.
Take an example of someone who retires at 50, with a pension of $80K/year (100% of their final pay, which is not uncommon.)
Now do a little finance math: If this person lives to age 75 (which is about average), they receive that payout for 25 years. Using a discount rate of 5%, the value of this pension at retirement age is $1.1 million. This is, in effect, what the state must set aside to cover the pension cost (which they are currently not doing.)
The public may be aware of state employee salaries, but few people understand that many are essentially getting a million plus dollar payout when they retire at an early age.
BTW: Do the math for military retirement and it is similar: after 20 years of service an enlisted person can get half pay forever (with COLA). With life expectancies where they are today, this is easily worth half a million dollars. Not a bad bonus for someone under the age of 40.
Do they deserve it? Many do. But can we afford it? Probably not.
August 6, 2009 at 8:05 AM #441497meadandale
ParticipantOne firefighter I know formed one of the most well known craft brewers in San Diego..Alpine Brewing Company. He brews the beer in his spare time.
When I asked him why he didn’t just quit his firefighter job so he could expand capacity (he can’t keep up with demand for his beer) he laughed and said that he was close to retirement and their was no way he was giving up his pension and benefits.
So, let’s see, booming entrepreneur who’d rather stay in a firefighter position rather than grow his profitable business? Runs a whole other business on the side (one that is VERY labor intensive) while he’s working fulltime as a firefighter? Has obviously decided that staying around for his pension is worth more than the opportunity to grow the business.
Draw your own conclusions…I know I have.
August 6, 2009 at 8:05 AM #441693ParticipantOne firefighter I know formed one of the most well known craft brewers in San Diego..Alpine Brewing Company. He brews the beer in his spare time.
When I asked him why he didn’t just quit his firefighter job so he could expand capacity (he can’t keep up with demand for his beer) he laughed and said that he was close to retirement and their was no way he was giving up his pension and benefits.
So, let’s see, booming entrepreneur who’d rather stay in a firefighter position rather than grow his profitable business? Runs a whole other business on the side (one that is VERY labor intensive) while he’s working fulltime as a firefighter? Has obviously decided that staying around for his pension is worth more than the opportunity to grow the business.
Draw your own conclusions…I know I have.
August 6, 2009 at 8:05 AM #442025ParticipantOne firefighter I know formed one of the most well known craft brewers in San Diego..Alpine Brewing Company. He brews the beer in his spare time.
When I asked him why he didn’t just quit his firefighter job so he could expand capacity (he can’t keep up with demand for his beer) he laughed and said that he was close to retirement and their was no way he was giving up his pension and benefits.
So, let’s see, booming entrepreneur who’d rather stay in a firefighter position rather than grow his profitable business? Runs a whole other business on the side (one that is VERY labor intensive) while he’s working fulltime as a firefighter? Has obviously decided that staying around for his pension is worth more than the opportunity to grow the business.
Draw your own conclusions…I know I have.
August 6, 2009 at 8:05 AM #442096ParticipantOne firefighter I know formed one of the most well known craft brewers in San Diego..Alpine Brewing Company. He brews the beer in his spare time.
When I asked him why he didn’t just quit his firefighter job so he could expand capacity (he can’t keep up with demand for his beer) he laughed and said that he was close to retirement and their was no way he was giving up his pension and benefits.
So, let’s see, booming entrepreneur who’d rather stay in a firefighter position rather than grow his profitable business? Runs a whole other business on the side (one that is VERY labor intensive) while he’s working fulltime as a firefighter? Has obviously decided that staying around for his pension is worth more than the opportunity to grow the business.
Draw your own conclusions…I know I have.
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