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August 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM #441998August 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM #441234GHParticipant
ALL retirement funds should be paid into like a 401k. The amount a recipient pays in during his career should be and indeed MUST be treated like any other account with a balance and specific amount owed to the retiree rather than monthly payments for ever… If an employer feels generous and chooses to pay matching funds on payday into the individuals account that is fine by me as long as each individual retires with a specific account balance and it is up to the retiree to decide how to make it last like the rest of us.
It is a simple matter of economics. We cannot afford this kind of government and given tax revenues will continue to fall rapidly over the next five years or so it is clear promises were made that cannot be kept.
It is not a matter of if Firefighters, Police, Teachers or any of our Hero’s deserve more, it is a matter of there is no more to give, and frankly I am not sure why these titles mean they deserve better than a non servant employee who also works hard at his or her job, often at considerable risk to life and limb also. Most Firefighters I know love their work, and many volunteer!
August 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM #441432GHParticipantALL retirement funds should be paid into like a 401k. The amount a recipient pays in during his career should be and indeed MUST be treated like any other account with a balance and specific amount owed to the retiree rather than monthly payments for ever… If an employer feels generous and chooses to pay matching funds on payday into the individuals account that is fine by me as long as each individual retires with a specific account balance and it is up to the retiree to decide how to make it last like the rest of us.
It is a simple matter of economics. We cannot afford this kind of government and given tax revenues will continue to fall rapidly over the next five years or so it is clear promises were made that cannot be kept.
It is not a matter of if Firefighters, Police, Teachers or any of our Hero’s deserve more, it is a matter of there is no more to give, and frankly I am not sure why these titles mean they deserve better than a non servant employee who also works hard at his or her job, often at considerable risk to life and limb also. Most Firefighters I know love their work, and many volunteer!
August 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM #441764GHParticipantALL retirement funds should be paid into like a 401k. The amount a recipient pays in during his career should be and indeed MUST be treated like any other account with a balance and specific amount owed to the retiree rather than monthly payments for ever… If an employer feels generous and chooses to pay matching funds on payday into the individuals account that is fine by me as long as each individual retires with a specific account balance and it is up to the retiree to decide how to make it last like the rest of us.
It is a simple matter of economics. We cannot afford this kind of government and given tax revenues will continue to fall rapidly over the next five years or so it is clear promises were made that cannot be kept.
It is not a matter of if Firefighters, Police, Teachers or any of our Hero’s deserve more, it is a matter of there is no more to give, and frankly I am not sure why these titles mean they deserve better than a non servant employee who also works hard at his or her job, often at considerable risk to life and limb also. Most Firefighters I know love their work, and many volunteer!
August 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM #441835GHParticipantALL retirement funds should be paid into like a 401k. The amount a recipient pays in during his career should be and indeed MUST be treated like any other account with a balance and specific amount owed to the retiree rather than monthly payments for ever… If an employer feels generous and chooses to pay matching funds on payday into the individuals account that is fine by me as long as each individual retires with a specific account balance and it is up to the retiree to decide how to make it last like the rest of us.
It is a simple matter of economics. We cannot afford this kind of government and given tax revenues will continue to fall rapidly over the next five years or so it is clear promises were made that cannot be kept.
It is not a matter of if Firefighters, Police, Teachers or any of our Hero’s deserve more, it is a matter of there is no more to give, and frankly I am not sure why these titles mean they deserve better than a non servant employee who also works hard at his or her job, often at considerable risk to life and limb also. Most Firefighters I know love their work, and many volunteer!
August 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM #442007GHParticipantALL retirement funds should be paid into like a 401k. The amount a recipient pays in during his career should be and indeed MUST be treated like any other account with a balance and specific amount owed to the retiree rather than monthly payments for ever… If an employer feels generous and chooses to pay matching funds on payday into the individuals account that is fine by me as long as each individual retires with a specific account balance and it is up to the retiree to decide how to make it last like the rest of us.
It is a simple matter of economics. We cannot afford this kind of government and given tax revenues will continue to fall rapidly over the next five years or so it is clear promises were made that cannot be kept.
It is not a matter of if Firefighters, Police, Teachers or any of our Hero’s deserve more, it is a matter of there is no more to give, and frankly I am not sure why these titles mean they deserve better than a non servant employee who also works hard at his or her job, often at considerable risk to life and limb also. Most Firefighters I know love their work, and many volunteer!
August 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM #441239urbanrealtorParticipant[quote=afx114]Since we’re bagging on other states: Florida is shaped like a big droopy dick for a reason.[/quote]
Awesome.Best post on this thread.
While I do agree that most public service jobs could be handled more efficiently, I think that treating these as services to be privatized deserves further investigation.
Lets go to places where cops, teachers, and firemen are semi-private employees. I think Nigeria and Tijuana show us some good examples of how to achieve this noble goal.
Similarly, I think Florida stands as a shining jewel of success in how to deal with children both in school and in terms of public safety.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1014461.ece?comments=legacy
http://www.southfloridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2009/07/12_year_old_florida_boy_in_jai.htmlRemember, privatization means better living.
Hopefully someday we can have a standard of living as good as Africa or Latin America.
August 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM #441437urbanrealtorParticipant[quote=afx114]Since we’re bagging on other states: Florida is shaped like a big droopy dick for a reason.[/quote]
Awesome.Best post on this thread.
While I do agree that most public service jobs could be handled more efficiently, I think that treating these as services to be privatized deserves further investigation.
Lets go to places where cops, teachers, and firemen are semi-private employees. I think Nigeria and Tijuana show us some good examples of how to achieve this noble goal.
Similarly, I think Florida stands as a shining jewel of success in how to deal with children both in school and in terms of public safety.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1014461.ece?comments=legacy
http://www.southfloridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2009/07/12_year_old_florida_boy_in_jai.htmlRemember, privatization means better living.
Hopefully someday we can have a standard of living as good as Africa or Latin America.
August 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM #441769urbanrealtorParticipant[quote=afx114]Since we’re bagging on other states: Florida is shaped like a big droopy dick for a reason.[/quote]
Awesome.Best post on this thread.
While I do agree that most public service jobs could be handled more efficiently, I think that treating these as services to be privatized deserves further investigation.
Lets go to places where cops, teachers, and firemen are semi-private employees. I think Nigeria and Tijuana show us some good examples of how to achieve this noble goal.
Similarly, I think Florida stands as a shining jewel of success in how to deal with children both in school and in terms of public safety.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1014461.ece?comments=legacy
http://www.southfloridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2009/07/12_year_old_florida_boy_in_jai.htmlRemember, privatization means better living.
Hopefully someday we can have a standard of living as good as Africa or Latin America.
August 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM #441840urbanrealtorParticipant[quote=afx114]Since we’re bagging on other states: Florida is shaped like a big droopy dick for a reason.[/quote]
Awesome.Best post on this thread.
While I do agree that most public service jobs could be handled more efficiently, I think that treating these as services to be privatized deserves further investigation.
Lets go to places where cops, teachers, and firemen are semi-private employees. I think Nigeria and Tijuana show us some good examples of how to achieve this noble goal.
Similarly, I think Florida stands as a shining jewel of success in how to deal with children both in school and in terms of public safety.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1014461.ece?comments=legacy
http://www.southfloridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2009/07/12_year_old_florida_boy_in_jai.htmlRemember, privatization means better living.
Hopefully someday we can have a standard of living as good as Africa or Latin America.
August 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM #442013urbanrealtorParticipant[quote=afx114]Since we’re bagging on other states: Florida is shaped like a big droopy dick for a reason.[/quote]
Awesome.Best post on this thread.
While I do agree that most public service jobs could be handled more efficiently, I think that treating these as services to be privatized deserves further investigation.
Lets go to places where cops, teachers, and firemen are semi-private employees. I think Nigeria and Tijuana show us some good examples of how to achieve this noble goal.
Similarly, I think Florida stands as a shining jewel of success in how to deal with children both in school and in terms of public safety.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1014461.ece?comments=legacy
http://www.southfloridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2009/07/12_year_old_florida_boy_in_jai.htmlRemember, privatization means better living.
Hopefully someday we can have a standard of living as good as Africa or Latin America.
August 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM #441279paramountParticipantIMO firefighters and police are well overpaid (in general), but what many who feel this way fail to understand is that there is a large segment of people in our population who patronize and worship police and firefighters. Yes, it’s strange I know but also true.
Do I appreciate what they do? Sure, but I refuse to put them on a pedestal like so many other misguided fools.
And yes, bring volunteer firefighters back – hell I’ll even volunteer myself – and when you weirdo worshipers approach me there will be no need to drop to your knees.
August 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM #441476paramountParticipantIMO firefighters and police are well overpaid (in general), but what many who feel this way fail to understand is that there is a large segment of people in our population who patronize and worship police and firefighters. Yes, it’s strange I know but also true.
Do I appreciate what they do? Sure, but I refuse to put them on a pedestal like so many other misguided fools.
And yes, bring volunteer firefighters back – hell I’ll even volunteer myself – and when you weirdo worshipers approach me there will be no need to drop to your knees.
August 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM #441809paramountParticipantIMO firefighters and police are well overpaid (in general), but what many who feel this way fail to understand is that there is a large segment of people in our population who patronize and worship police and firefighters. Yes, it’s strange I know but also true.
Do I appreciate what they do? Sure, but I refuse to put them on a pedestal like so many other misguided fools.
And yes, bring volunteer firefighters back – hell I’ll even volunteer myself – and when you weirdo worshipers approach me there will be no need to drop to your knees.
August 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM #441880paramountParticipantIMO firefighters and police are well overpaid (in general), but what many who feel this way fail to understand is that there is a large segment of people in our population who patronize and worship police and firefighters. Yes, it’s strange I know but also true.
Do I appreciate what they do? Sure, but I refuse to put them on a pedestal like so many other misguided fools.
And yes, bring volunteer firefighters back – hell I’ll even volunteer myself – and when you weirdo worshipers approach me there will be no need to drop to your knees.
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