50 years of pension for 20 years of work

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1][quote=flu]
I don’t know, but if a government took over my company and didn’t pay me prevailing market rates, I’d give the company and my government the middle finger and find another employer that did.. [/quote]

Feel free to do so. Nobody is stopping you, assuming you can find a better job.

If you did, wouldn’t be gone already?[/quote]

Um, i have, many many times. And inevitably when I did (along with the other people who were in high demand), what was left at the companies were a bunch of people who didn’t know what they were doing. In the end, the company couldn’t stay afloat and the entire ship sank, screwing the shareholders….Which is exactly my point.

I didn’t support the Fed loaning/giving out taxpayers money to the banks. Nor did I support the Fed/taxpayers inidrectly being shareholders in the bank….But now that it’s done, would it really make any sense to put policies that put Citigroup at a disadvantage, being that Fed/taxpayers are indirectly shareholders of Citigroup? How would Citigroup turning over quarters of losses after losses be helpful to the “current” shareholders? Don’t you (at least in theory) want the government to recoup the money it loaned out… (whether our government actually does is a separate issue….clearly, they aren’t selling back the warrants at FMV).

[briansd1]

FLU, had the government not save Citi, the whole company would have sank.

I think that that it’s more important to punish the people who drove the company (employees and shareholders) into the ground so as to avoid the moral hazard, and so that it doesn’t happen again and again.

Government has to think about what’s good for society and look at the long term.

Why do we try people and put them in prison when it’s so costly. It would be much cheaper to reprimand them and let them go.

Unless there is some fairness, people will lose faith in the system and we’ll all suffer in the long run.

I would have like to see the banks nationalized, the shareholders wiped out, and the bond holders taking a huge hit as well.

The government would have acted like a vulture investor buying up the carcasses of the banks for cheap.

[briansd1]

FLU, had the government not save Citi, the whole company would have sank.

I think that that it’s more important to punish the people who drove the company (employees and shareholders) into the ground so as to avoid the moral hazard, and so that it doesn’t happen again and again.

Government has to think about what’s good for society and look at the long term.

Why do we try people and put them in prison when it’s so costly. It would be much cheaper to reprimand them and let them go.

Unless there is some fairness, people will lose faith in the system and we’ll all suffer in the long run.

I would have like to see the banks nationalized, the shareholders wiped out, and the bond holders taking a huge hit as well.

The government would have acted like a vulture investor buying up the carcasses of the banks for cheap.

[briansd1]

FLU, had the government not save Citi, the whole company would have sank.

I think that that it’s more important to punish the people who drove the company (employees and shareholders) into the ground so as to avoid the moral hazard, and so that it doesn’t happen again and again.

Government has to think about what’s good for society and look at the long term.

Why do we try people and put them in prison when it’s so costly. It would be much cheaper to reprimand them and let them go.

Unless there is some fairness, people will lose faith in the system and we’ll all suffer in the long run.

I would have like to see the banks nationalized, the shareholders wiped out, and the bond holders taking a huge hit as well.

The government would have acted like a vulture investor buying up the carcasses of the banks for cheap.

[briansd1]

FLU, had the government not save Citi, the whole company would have sank.

I think that that it’s more important to punish the people who drove the company (employees and shareholders) into the ground so as to avoid the moral hazard, and so that it doesn’t happen again and again.

Government has to think about what’s good for society and look at the long term.

Why do we try people and put them in prison when it’s so costly. It would be much cheaper to reprimand them and let them go.

Unless there is some fairness, people will lose faith in the system and we’ll all suffer in the long run.

I would have like to see the banks nationalized, the shareholders wiped out, and the bond holders taking a huge hit as well.

The government would have acted like a vulture investor buying up the carcasses of the banks for cheap.

[briansd1]

FLU, had the government not save Citi, the whole company would have sank.

I think that that it’s more important to punish the people who drove the company (employees and shareholders) into the ground so as to avoid the moral hazard, and so that it doesn’t happen again and again.

Government has to think about what’s good for society and look at the long term.

Why do we try people and put them in prison when it’s so costly. It would be much cheaper to reprimand them and let them go.

Unless there is some fairness, people will lose faith in the system and we’ll all suffer in the long run.

I would have like to see the banks nationalized, the shareholders wiped out, and the bond holders taking a huge hit as well.

The government would have acted like a vulture investor buying up the carcasses of the banks for cheap.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]CA renter, please give me a break. Police and firefighter don’t even have college degrees. Many of them barely made it out of high-school.

Why not require minimum 4-year college degrees from accredited universities?[/quote]

I’ve never heard of a police officer or firefighter who “barely made it out of high school.” They have to take an exhaustive battery of tests (including I.Q. and extensive psychological tests) in order to be accepted.

Almost all new firefighters are required to have their paramedic certification. Here are the requirements:

· 1090 hours total
· ~450 hours didactic &
skills lab
· ~160 hours hospital
clinical training
· ~480 hours field
internship to include 40
ALS patient contacts

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/pubs/pdf/ems_prog.pdf

Many police officers and firefighters have college degrees. Still, most of the skills required of these jobs are not learned in a four-year university. They are learned in fire or police academies, and in the on-going training received by public safety personnel, in addition to what absolutely needs to be learned “on the job.”

Requiring a four-year college degree would not improve the level of candidate material, IMHO. What you need in public safety are hands-on, quick-thinking, level-headed individuals with a tough constitution and ability to deal with the ugliest things humans will ever have to encounter. Also, people with the highest degree of integrity are what’s needed in these positions. That is not something they teach in college.[/quote]

To me police and firefighters are skilled or semi-skilled labor, much like an electrician or many of the other skilled trades.

I can personally attest that there are other fields that have substantially more entrance barriers and requirements.

“~450 hours didactic &
skills lab”

…I think I spent that much time on one E&M problem.

And honestly, you may want to refer back to my earlier post on police and firefighter worship.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]CA renter, please give me a break. Police and firefighter don’t even have college degrees. Many of them barely made it out of high-school.

Why not require minimum 4-year college degrees from accredited universities?[/quote]

I’ve never heard of a police officer or firefighter who “barely made it out of high school.” They have to take an exhaustive battery of tests (including I.Q. and extensive psychological tests) in order to be accepted.

Almost all new firefighters are required to have their paramedic certification. Here are the requirements:

· 1090 hours total
· ~450 hours didactic &
skills lab
· ~160 hours hospital
clinical training
· ~480 hours field
internship to include 40
ALS patient contacts

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/pubs/pdf/ems_prog.pdf

Many police officers and firefighters have college degrees. Still, most of the skills required of these jobs are not learned in a four-year university. They are learned in fire or police academies, and in the on-going training received by public safety personnel, in addition to what absolutely needs to be learned “on the job.”

Requiring a four-year college degree would not improve the level of candidate material, IMHO. What you need in public safety are hands-on, quick-thinking, level-headed individuals with a tough constitution and ability to deal with the ugliest things humans will ever have to encounter. Also, people with the highest degree of integrity are what’s needed in these positions. That is not something they teach in college.[/quote]

To me police and firefighters are skilled or semi-skilled labor, much like an electrician or many of the other skilled trades.

I can personally attest that there are other fields that have substantially more entrance barriers and requirements.

“~450 hours didactic &
skills lab”

…I think I spent that much time on one E&M problem.

And honestly, you may want to refer back to my earlier post on police and firefighter worship.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]CA renter, please give me a break. Police and firefighter don’t even have college degrees. Many of them barely made it out of high-school.

Why not require minimum 4-year college degrees from accredited universities?[/quote]

I’ve never heard of a police officer or firefighter who “barely made it out of high school.” They have to take an exhaustive battery of tests (including I.Q. and extensive psychological tests) in order to be accepted.

Almost all new firefighters are required to have their paramedic certification. Here are the requirements:

· 1090 hours total
· ~450 hours didactic &
skills lab
· ~160 hours hospital
clinical training
· ~480 hours field
internship to include 40
ALS patient contacts

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/pubs/pdf/ems_prog.pdf

Many police officers and firefighters have college degrees. Still, most of the skills required of these jobs are not learned in a four-year university. They are learned in fire or police academies, and in the on-going training received by public safety personnel, in addition to what absolutely needs to be learned “on the job.”

Requiring a four-year college degree would not improve the level of candidate material, IMHO. What you need in public safety are hands-on, quick-thinking, level-headed individuals with a tough constitution and ability to deal with the ugliest things humans will ever have to encounter. Also, people with the highest degree of integrity are what’s needed in these positions. That is not something they teach in college.[/quote]

To me police and firefighters are skilled or semi-skilled labor, much like an electrician or many of the other skilled trades.

I can personally attest that there are other fields that have substantially more entrance barriers and requirements.

“~450 hours didactic &
skills lab”

…I think I spent that much time on one E&M problem.

And honestly, you may want to refer back to my earlier post on police and firefighter worship.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]CA renter, please give me a break. Police and firefighter don’t even have college degrees. Many of them barely made it out of high-school.

Why not require minimum 4-year college degrees from accredited universities?[/quote]

I’ve never heard of a police officer or firefighter who “barely made it out of high school.” They have to take an exhaustive battery of tests (including I.Q. and extensive psychological tests) in order to be accepted.

Almost all new firefighters are required to have their paramedic certification. Here are the requirements:

· 1090 hours total
· ~450 hours didactic &
skills lab
· ~160 hours hospital
clinical training
· ~480 hours field
internship to include 40
ALS patient contacts

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/pubs/pdf/ems_prog.pdf

Many police officers and firefighters have college degrees. Still, most of the skills required of these jobs are not learned in a four-year university. They are learned in fire or police academies, and in the on-going training received by public safety personnel, in addition to what absolutely needs to be learned “on the job.”

Requiring a four-year college degree would not improve the level of candidate material, IMHO. What you need in public safety are hands-on, quick-thinking, level-headed individuals with a tough constitution and ability to deal with the ugliest things humans will ever have to encounter. Also, people with the highest degree of integrity are what’s needed in these positions. That is not something they teach in college.[/quote]

To me police and firefighters are skilled or semi-skilled labor, much like an electrician or many of the other skilled trades.

I can personally attest that there are other fields that have substantially more entrance barriers and requirements.

“~450 hours didactic &
skills lab”

…I think I spent that much time on one E&M problem.

And honestly, you may want to refer back to my earlier post on police and firefighter worship.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]CA renter, please give me a break. Police and firefighter don’t even have college degrees. Many of them barely made it out of high-school.

Why not require minimum 4-year college degrees from accredited universities?[/quote]

I’ve never heard of a police officer or firefighter who “barely made it out of high school.” They have to take an exhaustive battery of tests (including I.Q. and extensive psychological tests) in order to be accepted.

Almost all new firefighters are required to have their paramedic certification. Here are the requirements:

· 1090 hours total
· ~450 hours didactic &
skills lab
· ~160 hours hospital
clinical training
· ~480 hours field
internship to include 40
ALS patient contacts

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/pubs/pdf/ems_prog.pdf

Many police officers and firefighters have college degrees. Still, most of the skills required of these jobs are not learned in a four-year university. They are learned in fire or police academies, and in the on-going training received by public safety personnel, in addition to what absolutely needs to be learned “on the job.”

Requiring a four-year college degree would not improve the level of candidate material, IMHO. What you need in public safety are hands-on, quick-thinking, level-headed individuals with a tough constitution and ability to deal with the ugliest things humans will ever have to encounter. Also, people with the highest degree of integrity are what’s needed in these positions. That is not something they teach in college.[/quote]

To me police and firefighters are skilled or semi-skilled labor, much like an electrician or many of the other skilled trades.

I can personally attest that there are other fields that have substantially more entrance barriers and requirements.

“~450 hours didactic &
skills lab”

…I think I spent that much time on one E&M problem.

And honestly, you may want to refer back to my earlier post on police and firefighter worship.

[Zeitgeist]

You have a point. However, most semi-skilled laborers do not have to pass a background test of their character, a medical, a lie detector type test and a psychological battery. They are tested more than the president and most politicians would not pass the test.

[Zeitgeist]

You have a point. However, most semi-skilled laborers do not have to pass a background test of their character, a medical, a lie detector type test and a psychological battery. They are tested more than the president and most politicians would not pass the test.

[Zeitgeist]

You have a point. However, most semi-skilled laborers do not have to pass a background test of their character, a medical, a lie detector type test and a psychological battery. They are tested more than the president and most politicians would not pass the test.

[Zeitgeist]

You have a point. However, most semi-skilled laborers do not have to pass a background test of their character, a medical, a lie detector type test and a psychological battery. They are tested more than the president and most politicians would not pass the test.

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