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It’s been so long since I’ve had an accident. Maybe my number is coming up. Lease a suburban.

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[quote=Escoguy]In Germany, there is a word “Konsumverzicht” abstinence from consumption.

Has somewhat of a religious tone to it.

I find I’m better off if I only buy things after I’ve thought about it say 10 times.

Then I know I’ll really use the item.

Now “how to convert my wife to this mindset?”.[/quote]

The wrong way is to nag, lecture or preach.

Maybe leave copies of adbusters in the bathroom?

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[quote=ocrenter]I would vote for the Chevy Bolt EUV.

get it after first of the year for the federal tax rebate.[/quote]

I think that might be the most economical route. I’m going to drive my old car a bit longer and see if things loosen up supply wise in 2023.

Thinking about the cost of car leasing…$500 to $1000 a month for 10k miles a year, 850 miles a month a buck a mile or so….really makes one think about how costly it is to drive a new car. EBikes are quite a bit cheaper, even with the very high cost of bicycle tires…

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Ethical reasons are I believe the only way to sustain veganism. Health is too murky and selfish to keep one inbounds.

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[quote=barnaby33]A Chevy Bolt could be a great option depending on commute length and your ability to charge it each day. Large cars are a waste of energy and resources, but they are comfy.
Josh[/quote]

This does look inexpensive for the car.

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[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]It’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.

I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality[/quote]

People get deep down in the formulas and all that.

I don’t bother. I go dealer to dealer and let them quote me their best deal on the car I want. Then I go home. Within a week they are calling to see if I’ve decided and I stay noncommittal and ask for a better price.

Sooner or later it becomes clear which car I want and which price I can live with so I go with it.

We’ve only started leasing in the past 6 years. One lease we turned back in and we are getting ready to buy the car on the current lease. After 3 years with the car we’ve decided we want to keep it.

Our next car will be electric and we’ll no doubt lease that one. I’m not going to buy right now as prices are dropping and we are in no hurry. We’ll wait until unemployment rises and car lots are brimming with unsold cars. Then we will be in the best negotiating position. I figure that is about a year off.[/quote]

I guess I can wait a year. But I was thinking, if I lease, maybe it’d be good to keep my old car as backup, to keep total mileage down if necessary on the leased car, also just to have an extra car for visitors, breakdowns.

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It’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.

I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality

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[quote=phaster]Since Black Friday is associated with the start of the Christmas/Hanukkah $ales Season, perhaps people should take a moment AND consider what the “dude” might say if he were here,…

PS worth watching (and it is “free”),…

https://documentaryheaven.com/what-would-jesus-buy/%5B/quote%5D

I have been a big fan of reverend billy and the church of stop shopping for years. He deserves to be a megachurch

The rev preaching in rising seas

https://revbilly.com/earth-justice/

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Leasing goes against my grain, but I think it’s starting to seem much more reasonable as I approach senescence, and death.

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Then, environmentally, it sounds like we are making giant pieces of junk for the landfills pretty soon. Big giant obsolete computers with wheels.

There’s so much energy embedded already in my 2012 Accord, it’d take a lot of e vehicle driving to offset it. Driving an electric vehicle is probably no environmental good, at least in my case.

Maybe the best thing all around is just a cheap sedan. Hyundai Elantra. Lease it.

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I mean , jeez, if I kept a new car as long as my old civic, I’d be 84. Odds are my circumstances will be different. 3-5 years seems more reasonable. On the other hand I do hope to be working for at least another 15 years.

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[quote=sdrealtor]I couldn’t imagine buying a new car that isn’t an EV or hybrid. It almost seems irresponsible[/quote]

It does. I find that attractive.

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[quote=phaster][quote=scaredyclassic]Need a new car for a much longer commute. Just spent 3k for smog repairs on a 10 year old Honda. Want to keep that as a 2nd car as I don’t have faith in it anymore.

Not under consideration:

Tesla: fuck Elon musk
Foreign nightmares: bmw, or anything the dealer wants 400 for an oil change
Pickup trucks
Hummer

Tried to buy a leaf, but can’t find anything less than 3k over sticker.

But maybe now is the contrarian time to buy a gas car, with a move to electric?

Lexus SUV?
Hyundai Tucson?
Toyota Highlander?

I hate being gouged due to low supply . I also feel maybe I need a big safe car to commute a lot.

Advice?[/quote]

toyota/lexus because of fit/finish/reliability

hybrid so it won’t waste gas not really going anywhere very fast in stop/go rush hour traffic jams (or in an urban area)

personally would go for a sedan over a higher stance crossover/SUV which is less fuel efficient

if you are spending lots of time in a vehicle, I’d opt of luxury touches to be “comfortable” (hence less stressed)

so given the above leads me to suggest,…

https://www.lexus.com/models/ES-hybrid%5B/quote%5D

Will a Lexus make me seem like an old white guy?

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[quote=utcsox][quote=Coronita]If I had to get something it would probably be a Hyundai Ioniq 5

If you don’t want to get gouged with a Toyota Highlander or Lexus RX or NX SUV….

You can consider getting yourself a Mazda CX5. They are pretty nice inside, and have pretty good gas mileage. Slightly underpowered, but good fit and finish and decent reliability. Size-wise, the CX5 is roughly the size of a RAV4

Galpin Mazda has over 61 CX5’s in stock. So they aren’t going to be marked up.[/quote]

How about Honda CR-V and Mazda CX-50?[/quote]

I like the cx-50. I’m going between 30-50 miles one way, depending. The 30 miler I might be able to ebike once a week or so.

. I’ve basically owned 2 personal cars in 35 years (civic, 24 years, Accord, 11 years) not counting minivan my wife insisted on, and my dad’s camry I had a few years my wife used that died of power steering failure.

But now that I’m turning 60 I’m thinking maybe I want to become a guy who trades cars in every 3 to 5 years. Why am I driving shitty old cars? It’s some kind of weird mental condition political statement obstinacy cheapness. If money and environmental consciousness weren’t an issue, I’d prefer to have new, safe, reliable car.

The earth is toast anyway. Why not just trade shit in? Or lease? The money isn’t critical. But I still can’t pay 80k for a rivian.

My kid likes Mazda. I’ll test drive a cx-50.
I’d like to see if I could sleep in it . Or perhaps I should just suck it up and pay the leaf premium. Probably make up the extra in gas costs in a couple years?

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Wealth front.com pays 3.3 perc, I think that’s on the high end

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