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4Sbuyer2002
ParticipantI rest my case with respect to 4S being significantly less fire prone. 4S is one of only 5 communities in all of San Diego to have adopted the most stringent fire resistant building standards per what expert??? Non other than the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . he’s the expert pointing out that 4S Ranch is more protected against this type of fire than other areas. This article couldn’t have made my points ay better. Another excellent benefit of living in 4S Ranch 🙂 Just face it . . . my arguments are sound and right and yours are wrong. Every realtor or homeseller in 4S should print out this article and hand to each prospective buyer. A great selling point for the homes in 4S! 🙂 xoxo
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#
“As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.”
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“The communities, which together cover hundreds of acres, are The Bridges, The Crosby, Cielo, Santa Fe Valley and 4S Ranch.”
“It is a wildfire protection plan that imposes construction and landscaping standards intended to be so stringent – including mandatory interior fire sprinklers and broad swaths of protective landscaping – that homeowners can remain sheltered in their houses if they cannot evacuate.”
“The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.”
“A correctly managed shelter-in-place community reduces the fuel levels in proximity to the properties to such an extent that they cannot support a fire,”
“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said. “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”
“Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants.”
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantUhh . . . yea in 4S Ranch some homes over time will burn down from fire due to arson, carelessness, gas leak, etc. Just like homes in ANY neighborhood. My only point is that 4S, in comparison to the rest of San Diego county bar coastline communities (w/in 2 miles of ocean) is well protected from “Santa Ana wind driven fire” which is the most destructive type. Dumb dumba$$ and his cigarette butt is not going to burn 300 homes like the Santa Ana fire did in RB. I said not a single home in 4S burned, north or south. I then stated that the south portion was particularly well protected. I know its a complicated discussion to follow but if you really try, r e a d s l o w, and read it twice I’m sure you’ll understand it. The correction to straw, which it was, was for the lead in to the “strawman” comment.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantUhh . . . yea in 4S Ranch some homes over time will burn down from fire due to arson, carelessness, gas leak, etc. Just like homes in ANY neighborhood. My only point is that 4S, in comparison to the rest of San Diego county bar coastline communities (w/in 2 miles of ocean) is well protected from “Santa Ana wind driven fire” which is the most destructive type. Dumb dumba$$ and his cigarette butt is not going to burn 300 homes like the Santa Ana fire did in RB. I said not a single home in 4S burned, north or south. I then stated that the south portion was particularly well protected. I know its a complicated discussion to follow but if you really try, r e a d s l o w, and read it twice I’m sure you’ll understand it. The correction to straw, which it was, was for the lead in to the “strawman” comment.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantUhh . . . yea in 4S Ranch some homes over time will burn down from fire due to arson, carelessness, gas leak, etc. Just like homes in ANY neighborhood. My only point is that 4S, in comparison to the rest of San Diego county bar coastline communities (w/in 2 miles of ocean) is well protected from “Santa Ana wind driven fire” which is the most destructive type. Dumb dumba$$ and his cigarette butt is not going to burn 300 homes like the Santa Ana fire did in RB. I said not a single home in 4S burned, north or south. I then stated that the south portion was particularly well protected. I know its a complicated discussion to follow but if you really try, r e a d s l o w, and read it twice I’m sure you’ll understand it. The correction to straw, which it was, was for the lead in to the “strawman” comment.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantI repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantI repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantI repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNot a single home was damaged in 4S Ranch. Not one . . . not even any singed landscaping. Serious fires are caused by Fire + Santa Ana winds. Santa Ana winds ALWAYS blow in a westerly direction. Maybe west by northwest or west by southwest or directly west but NEVER north, south, or east. This is a simple fact of the phenomena that creates the Santa Anas a high pressure zone over Las Vegas or Utah to the east. Examine what is west of 4S Ranch, at least the part south of Camino Del Norte. You have I-15, Carmel Mountain Ranch, and all of Poway. So until the entire areas of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch burn to the ground . . . 4S will not be burned by Santa Ana driven fires. Its survival without a single home damaged is testament to this.
Other areas I am very very sorry suffered losses.
Rancho Santa Fe -100
Rancho Bernardo -300
Santa Luz – 2+
Fairbanks Ranch -3+
Crosby Estates -2+
Poway -30+
4S Ranch – 0grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNot a single home was damaged in 4S Ranch. Not one . . . not even any singed landscaping. Serious fires are caused by Fire + Santa Ana winds. Santa Ana winds ALWAYS blow in a westerly direction. Maybe west by northwest or west by southwest or directly west but NEVER north, south, or east. This is a simple fact of the phenomena that creates the Santa Anas a high pressure zone over Las Vegas or Utah to the east. Examine what is west of 4S Ranch, at least the part south of Camino Del Norte. You have I-15, Carmel Mountain Ranch, and all of Poway. So until the entire areas of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch burn to the ground . . . 4S will not be burned by Santa Ana driven fires. Its survival without a single home damaged is testament to this.
Other areas I am very very sorry suffered losses.
Rancho Santa Fe -100
Rancho Bernardo -300
Santa Luz – 2+
Fairbanks Ranch -3+
Crosby Estates -2+
Poway -30+
4S Ranch – 0grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNot a single home was damaged in 4S Ranch. Not one . . . not even any singed landscaping. Serious fires are caused by Fire + Santa Ana winds. Santa Ana winds ALWAYS blow in a westerly direction. Maybe west by northwest or west by southwest or directly west but NEVER north, south, or east. This is a simple fact of the phenomena that creates the Santa Anas a high pressure zone over Las Vegas or Utah to the east. Examine what is west of 4S Ranch, at least the part south of Camino Del Norte. You have I-15, Carmel Mountain Ranch, and all of Poway. So until the entire areas of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch burn to the ground . . . 4S will not be burned by Santa Ana driven fires. Its survival without a single home damaged is testament to this.
Other areas I am very very sorry suffered losses.
Rancho Santa Fe -100
Rancho Bernardo -300
Santa Luz – 2+
Fairbanks Ranch -3+
Crosby Estates -2+
Poway -30+
4S Ranch – 0grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantYea those crappy undesirable areas in SD like Rancho Santa Fe, Fairbanks Ranch, and Olivenhain will probably drop like rocks in value – (insert sarcastic roll of the eyes here).
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantYea those crappy undesirable areas in SD like Rancho Santa Fe, Fairbanks Ranch, and Olivenhain will probably drop like rocks in value – (insert sarcastic roll of the eyes here).
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantYea those crappy undesirable areas in SD like Rancho Santa Fe, Fairbanks Ranch, and Olivenhain will probably drop like rocks in value – (insert sarcastic roll of the eyes here).
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantWhat a bunch of ignorant dumba$$es. Fires make So. Cal RE less valuable? News flash there have been fires of this type in So. Cal for all of known human history. There is lots to deflate the sky high prices in So. Cal. Santa Ana winds and fire aren’t one of them. If anything, the influx of insurance money followed by a mini re-building boom will put a significant fraction of out of work construction workers back to work and be mildly stimulative. Check out what RE prices for the unaffected area of New Orleans did after Katrina. They almost doubled. That won’t happen here but this event, as devastating for SOME as it is, wont’ affect the RE market much one way or another. If anything it may bolster it slightly.
grateful owner . . . .
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