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4Sbuyer2002
ParticipantNo radon gas. There is naturally occurring methane gas. See here for discussion about methane when the elementary school was built
http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/Schools/Projects/upload/Stone-Ranch-Elementary-School_Flyer.pdf
See here for what 4S was before homes were built
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/4sranch/
The methane issue at 4S is no threat other than adding to the cost of construction. When my house was being built I asked the builder what all the purple colored pipes where running vertically up from beneath the foundation to vents on the roof. He explained that its a “methane remediation system mandated for all of 4S.” IF . . . . there ever where to be any amount of natural methane to percolate up through the earth to the area underneath my foundation this elaborate contraption is designed to collect the gases which MAY collect underneath the foundation and safely vent them up through the roof. The problem is that he showed me on a map where the only place the low level, but just above acceptable, amounts of natural methane were detected and its miles from where my house sits. But this is California so they then scurried around all of 4S testing and only found methane in that one place. But . . . in typical So. Cal. hysterical over reaction fashion each and every home in 4S is now mandated and outfitted with one of these “methane” gase remediation contraptions. What a huge waste of money. There NO danger, none zip, nada to anyone living in 4S from natural methane. You would have to lay on the ground and breathe the air close to the ground where the discovered the methane to even possibly be affected at all and then the net result may be smelly gas a light head for a few minutes. I guarantee you suck in 10x the amount of methane every time you drive up I-15 to Norco on the way to Las Vegas. That stinky smelly stretch is when you pass a huge cattle farm/slaughter house. All that smell??? Methane from a source . . . ahem . . . over termed “Bovine flatulence” or for those in Rio Linda “Cow farts.” See here on Norco and methane http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200409/ai_n22237362 Yes folks to protect you from a non-existent danger much less lethal than cow farts each home in 4S had the cost of construction raised by thousands of dollars to pay for you own custom methane remediation system in your 4S home. Its nuts.PS. I guess the upside is I could probably hack into my sheet rock and rig up a pretty cool toxic gas contraption to also vent the air from within my house up through the same vents while all my windows and doors remained sealed. This way when the Chinese eventually take over America and try and gas everyone in So. Cal. with Nerve gas before they invade I can sit comfortably in my 4S Ranch home safe in the knowledge that my state of the art “methane remediation system” is gonna save the day.
ParticipantNo radon gas. There is naturally occurring methane gas. See here for discussion about methane when the elementary school was built
http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/Schools/Projects/upload/Stone-Ranch-Elementary-School_Flyer.pdf
See here for what 4S was before homes were built
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/4sranch/
The methane issue at 4S is no threat other than adding to the cost of construction. When my house was being built I asked the builder what all the purple colored pipes where running vertically up from beneath the foundation to vents on the roof. He explained that its a “methane remediation system mandated for all of 4S.” IF . . . . there ever where to be any amount of natural methane to percolate up through the earth to the area underneath my foundation this elaborate contraption is designed to collect the gases which MAY collect underneath the foundation and safely vent them up through the roof. The problem is that he showed me on a map where the only place the low level, but just above acceptable, amounts of natural methane were detected and its miles from where my house sits. But this is California so they then scurried around all of 4S testing and only found methane in that one place. But . . . in typical So. Cal. hysterical over reaction fashion each and every home in 4S is now mandated and outfitted with one of these “methane” gase remediation contraptions. What a huge waste of money. There NO danger, none zip, nada to anyone living in 4S from natural methane. You would have to lay on the ground and breathe the air close to the ground where the discovered the methane to even possibly be affected at all and then the net result may be smelly gas a light head for a few minutes. I guarantee you suck in 10x the amount of methane every time you drive up I-15 to Norco on the way to Las Vegas. That stinky smelly stretch is when you pass a huge cattle farm/slaughter house. All that smell??? Methane from a source . . . ahem . . . over termed “Bovine flatulence” or for those in Rio Linda “Cow farts.” See here on Norco and methane http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200409/ai_n22237362 Yes folks to protect you from a non-existent danger much less lethal than cow farts each home in 4S had the cost of construction raised by thousands of dollars to pay for you own custom methane remediation system in your 4S home. Its nuts.PS. I guess the upside is I could probably hack into my sheet rock and rig up a pretty cool toxic gas contraption to also vent the air from within my house up through the same vents while all my windows and doors remained sealed. This way when the Chinese eventually take over America and try and gas everyone in So. Cal. with Nerve gas before they invade I can sit comfortably in my 4S Ranch home safe in the knowledge that my state of the art “methane remediation system” is gonna save the day.
ParticipantNo radon gas. There is naturally occurring methane gas. See here for discussion about methane when the elementary school was built
http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/Schools/Projects/upload/Stone-Ranch-Elementary-School_Flyer.pdf
See here for what 4S was before homes were built
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/4sranch/
The methane issue at 4S is no threat other than adding to the cost of construction. When my house was being built I asked the builder what all the purple colored pipes where running vertically up from beneath the foundation to vents on the roof. He explained that its a “methane remediation system mandated for all of 4S.” IF . . . . there ever where to be any amount of natural methane to percolate up through the earth to the area underneath my foundation this elaborate contraption is designed to collect the gases which MAY collect underneath the foundation and safely vent them up through the roof. The problem is that he showed me on a map where the only place the low level, but just above acceptable, amounts of natural methane were detected and its miles from where my house sits. But this is California so they then scurried around all of 4S testing and only found methane in that one place. But . . . in typical So. Cal. hysterical over reaction fashion each and every home in 4S is now mandated and outfitted with one of these “methane” gase remediation contraptions. What a huge waste of money. There NO danger, none zip, nada to anyone living in 4S from natural methane. You would have to lay on the ground and breathe the air close to the ground where the discovered the methane to even possibly be affected at all and then the net result may be smelly gas a light head for a few minutes. I guarantee you suck in 10x the amount of methane every time you drive up I-15 to Norco on the way to Las Vegas. That stinky smelly stretch is when you pass a huge cattle farm/slaughter house. All that smell??? Methane from a source . . . ahem . . . over termed “Bovine flatulence” or for those in Rio Linda “Cow farts.” See here on Norco and methane http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200409/ai_n22237362 Yes folks to protect you from a non-existent danger much less lethal than cow farts each home in 4S had the cost of construction raised by thousands of dollars to pay for you own custom methane remediation system in your 4S home. Its nuts.PS. I guess the upside is I could probably hack into my sheet rock and rig up a pretty cool toxic gas contraption to also vent the air from within my house up through the same vents while all my windows and doors remained sealed. This way when the Chinese eventually take over America and try and gas everyone in So. Cal. with Nerve gas before they invade I can sit comfortably in my 4S Ranch home safe in the knowledge that my state of the art “methane remediation system” is gonna save the day.
ParticipantNo radon gas. There is naturally occurring methane gas. See here for discussion about methane when the elementary school was built
http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/Schools/Projects/upload/Stone-Ranch-Elementary-School_Flyer.pdf
See here for what 4S was before homes were built
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/4sranch/
The methane issue at 4S is no threat other than adding to the cost of construction. When my house was being built I asked the builder what all the purple colored pipes where running vertically up from beneath the foundation to vents on the roof. He explained that its a “methane remediation system mandated for all of 4S.” IF . . . . there ever where to be any amount of natural methane to percolate up through the earth to the area underneath my foundation this elaborate contraption is designed to collect the gases which MAY collect underneath the foundation and safely vent them up through the roof. The problem is that he showed me on a map where the only place the low level, but just above acceptable, amounts of natural methane were detected and its miles from where my house sits. But this is California so they then scurried around all of 4S testing and only found methane in that one place. But . . . in typical So. Cal. hysterical over reaction fashion each and every home in 4S is now mandated and outfitted with one of these “methane” gase remediation contraptions. What a huge waste of money. There NO danger, none zip, nada to anyone living in 4S from natural methane. You would have to lay on the ground and breathe the air close to the ground where the discovered the methane to even possibly be affected at all and then the net result may be smelly gas a light head for a few minutes. I guarantee you suck in 10x the amount of methane every time you drive up I-15 to Norco on the way to Las Vegas. That stinky smelly stretch is when you pass a huge cattle farm/slaughter house. All that smell??? Methane from a source . . . ahem . . . over termed “Bovine flatulence” or for those in Rio Linda “Cow farts.” See here on Norco and methane http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200409/ai_n22237362 Yes folks to protect you from a non-existent danger much less lethal than cow farts each home in 4S had the cost of construction raised by thousands of dollars to pay for you own custom methane remediation system in your 4S home. Its nuts.PS. I guess the upside is I could probably hack into my sheet rock and rig up a pretty cool toxic gas contraption to also vent the air from within my house up through the same vents while all my windows and doors remained sealed. This way when the Chinese eventually take over America and try and gas everyone in So. Cal. with Nerve gas before they invade I can sit comfortably in my 4S Ranch home safe in the knowledge that my state of the art “methane remediation system” is gonna save the day.
ParticipantOnly because you asked . . . .
Well let’s see:
Your downpayment has probably gone to equity heaven by now.
Not quite . . . a foreclosure bank owned of same size model (much less upgrades), not on cul de sac, and with a yard half the size, and trashed carpet/paint sold this month for mid 700s. The total liens on my home is low 500s. By my math as of two weeks ago I still have an minimum of 200K in equity (about half of which is downpayment).
That negative equity will be another 100K at least by next year or so.
Hmmm . . . I take this as just a stab in the dark prediction that prices on 4S homes of 3000+ will fall another 300K from where the are now to put me in a 100K neg equity position. We could argue back and forth with our predictions of the future direction of an equity market which in large part is driven by emotion but that would be stupid, pointless, and of now value wouldn’t it????? So I guess we just have to wait on that one.
You are stuck there if something happens to your job or otherwise and you’d have to buy your way out of the house.
I’m employee of fed. government and my wife is an MD (in field with severe shortages of MDs and growing demand). Amongst most jobs I think those two have very high job security. Oh . . . and if I do have to move . . . your tax dollars fund the government perk to either A) sell the home myself and have government pay for all closing costs including full agent commissions of 6% or B) if I can’t sell it I can get three appraisals and the government will buy it from me for the average of the three (and then the government sells it . . . they have taken {or the tax payers have taken} a huge bath on this particular program lately).
So moving losing job . . . always possible but highly unlikely. Selling the home should this highly unlikely circumstance arrive would be no problem.
That’s just for starters.
See no problem with the starters so far . . . what comes after that????
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantOnly because you asked . . . .
Well let’s see:
Your downpayment has probably gone to equity heaven by now.
Not quite . . . a foreclosure bank owned of same size model (much less upgrades), not on cul de sac, and with a yard half the size, and trashed carpet/paint sold this month for mid 700s. The total liens on my home is low 500s. By my math as of two weeks ago I still have an minimum of 200K in equity (about half of which is downpayment).
That negative equity will be another 100K at least by next year or so.
Hmmm . . . I take this as just a stab in the dark prediction that prices on 4S homes of 3000+ will fall another 300K from where the are now to put me in a 100K neg equity position. We could argue back and forth with our predictions of the future direction of an equity market which in large part is driven by emotion but that would be stupid, pointless, and of now value wouldn’t it????? So I guess we just have to wait on that one.
You are stuck there if something happens to your job or otherwise and you’d have to buy your way out of the house.
I’m employee of fed. government and my wife is an MD (in field with severe shortages of MDs and growing demand). Amongst most jobs I think those two have very high job security. Oh . . . and if I do have to move . . . your tax dollars fund the government perk to either A) sell the home myself and have government pay for all closing costs including full agent commissions of 6% or B) if I can’t sell it I can get three appraisals and the government will buy it from me for the average of the three (and then the government sells it . . . they have taken {or the tax payers have taken} a huge bath on this particular program lately).
So moving losing job . . . always possible but highly unlikely. Selling the home should this highly unlikely circumstance arrive would be no problem.
That’s just for starters.
See no problem with the starters so far . . . what comes after that????
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantOnly because you asked . . . .
Well let’s see:
Your downpayment has probably gone to equity heaven by now.
Not quite . . . a foreclosure bank owned of same size model (much less upgrades), not on cul de sac, and with a yard half the size, and trashed carpet/paint sold this month for mid 700s. The total liens on my home is low 500s. By my math as of two weeks ago I still have an minimum of 200K in equity (about half of which is downpayment).
That negative equity will be another 100K at least by next year or so.
Hmmm . . . I take this as just a stab in the dark prediction that prices on 4S homes of 3000+ will fall another 300K from where the are now to put me in a 100K neg equity position. We could argue back and forth with our predictions of the future direction of an equity market which in large part is driven by emotion but that would be stupid, pointless, and of now value wouldn’t it????? So I guess we just have to wait on that one.
You are stuck there if something happens to your job or otherwise and you’d have to buy your way out of the house.
I’m employee of fed. government and my wife is an MD (in field with severe shortages of MDs and growing demand). Amongst most jobs I think those two have very high job security. Oh . . . and if I do have to move . . . your tax dollars fund the government perk to either A) sell the home myself and have government pay for all closing costs including full agent commissions of 6% or B) if I can’t sell it I can get three appraisals and the government will buy it from me for the average of the three (and then the government sells it . . . they have taken {or the tax payers have taken} a huge bath on this particular program lately).
So moving losing job . . . always possible but highly unlikely. Selling the home should this highly unlikely circumstance arrive would be no problem.
That’s just for starters.
See no problem with the starters so far . . . what comes after that????
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantOnly because you asked . . . .
Well let’s see:
Your downpayment has probably gone to equity heaven by now.
Not quite . . . a foreclosure bank owned of same size model (much less upgrades), not on cul de sac, and with a yard half the size, and trashed carpet/paint sold this month for mid 700s. The total liens on my home is low 500s. By my math as of two weeks ago I still have an minimum of 200K in equity (about half of which is downpayment).
That negative equity will be another 100K at least by next year or so.
Hmmm . . . I take this as just a stab in the dark prediction that prices on 4S homes of 3000+ will fall another 300K from where the are now to put me in a 100K neg equity position. We could argue back and forth with our predictions of the future direction of an equity market which in large part is driven by emotion but that would be stupid, pointless, and of now value wouldn’t it????? So I guess we just have to wait on that one.
You are stuck there if something happens to your job or otherwise and you’d have to buy your way out of the house.
I’m employee of fed. government and my wife is an MD (in field with severe shortages of MDs and growing demand). Amongst most jobs I think those two have very high job security. Oh . . . and if I do have to move . . . your tax dollars fund the government perk to either A) sell the home myself and have government pay for all closing costs including full agent commissions of 6% or B) if I can’t sell it I can get three appraisals and the government will buy it from me for the average of the three (and then the government sells it . . . they have taken {or the tax payers have taken} a huge bath on this particular program lately).
So moving losing job . . . always possible but highly unlikely. Selling the home should this highly unlikely circumstance arrive would be no problem.
That’s just for starters.
See no problem with the starters so far . . . what comes after that????
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantOnly because you asked . . . .
Well let’s see:
Your downpayment has probably gone to equity heaven by now.
Not quite . . . a foreclosure bank owned of same size model (much less upgrades), not on cul de sac, and with a yard half the size, and trashed carpet/paint sold this month for mid 700s. The total liens on my home is low 500s. By my math as of two weeks ago I still have an minimum of 200K in equity (about half of which is downpayment).
That negative equity will be another 100K at least by next year or so.
Hmmm . . . I take this as just a stab in the dark prediction that prices on 4S homes of 3000+ will fall another 300K from where the are now to put me in a 100K neg equity position. We could argue back and forth with our predictions of the future direction of an equity market which in large part is driven by emotion but that would be stupid, pointless, and of now value wouldn’t it????? So I guess we just have to wait on that one.
You are stuck there if something happens to your job or otherwise and you’d have to buy your way out of the house.
I’m employee of fed. government and my wife is an MD (in field with severe shortages of MDs and growing demand). Amongst most jobs I think those two have very high job security. Oh . . . and if I do have to move . . . your tax dollars fund the government perk to either A) sell the home myself and have government pay for all closing costs including full agent commissions of 6% or B) if I can’t sell it I can get three appraisals and the government will buy it from me for the average of the three (and then the government sells it . . . they have taken {or the tax payers have taken} a huge bath on this particular program lately).
So moving losing job . . . always possible but highly unlikely. Selling the home should this highly unlikely circumstance arrive would be no problem.
That’s just for starters.
See no problem with the starters so far . . . what comes after that????
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNo bitterness . . . sarcasm and amusement/humor . . . . my total monthly cost (mort, taxes, mello roos, hoa, insurance) for 3100+ sq/ft home w/pool-spa on cul de sac with a .22 acre lot in 4S is about $3000 a month (south of Cam. Del Norte or “old 4S” which have lots much bigger than the newer sardine packed homes north of Cam. Del Norte). Last time I checked you still can’t rent an equivalent property in 4S for that. Kids go to new Poway schools and the small palm trees I planted in the back are becoming full size and adding a tropical shade garden feel to the yard . . . whats not to like??? Why be bitter with that . . . .
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNo bitterness . . . sarcasm and amusement/humor . . . . my total monthly cost (mort, taxes, mello roos, hoa, insurance) for 3100+ sq/ft home w/pool-spa on cul de sac with a .22 acre lot in 4S is about $3000 a month (south of Cam. Del Norte or “old 4S” which have lots much bigger than the newer sardine packed homes north of Cam. Del Norte). Last time I checked you still can’t rent an equivalent property in 4S for that. Kids go to new Poway schools and the small palm trees I planted in the back are becoming full size and adding a tropical shade garden feel to the yard . . . whats not to like??? Why be bitter with that . . . .
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNo bitterness . . . sarcasm and amusement/humor . . . . my total monthly cost (mort, taxes, mello roos, hoa, insurance) for 3100+ sq/ft home w/pool-spa on cul de sac with a .22 acre lot in 4S is about $3000 a month (south of Cam. Del Norte or “old 4S” which have lots much bigger than the newer sardine packed homes north of Cam. Del Norte). Last time I checked you still can’t rent an equivalent property in 4S for that. Kids go to new Poway schools and the small palm trees I planted in the back are becoming full size and adding a tropical shade garden feel to the yard . . . whats not to like??? Why be bitter with that . . . .
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNo bitterness . . . sarcasm and amusement/humor . . . . my total monthly cost (mort, taxes, mello roos, hoa, insurance) for 3100+ sq/ft home w/pool-spa on cul de sac with a .22 acre lot in 4S is about $3000 a month (south of Cam. Del Norte or “old 4S” which have lots much bigger than the newer sardine packed homes north of Cam. Del Norte). Last time I checked you still can’t rent an equivalent property in 4S for that. Kids go to new Poway schools and the small palm trees I planted in the back are becoming full size and adding a tropical shade garden feel to the yard . . . whats not to like??? Why be bitter with that . . . .
grateful owner . . . .
ParticipantNo bitterness . . . sarcasm and amusement/humor . . . . my total monthly cost (mort, taxes, mello roos, hoa, insurance) for 3100+ sq/ft home w/pool-spa on cul de sac with a .22 acre lot in 4S is about $3000 a month (south of Cam. Del Norte or “old 4S” which have lots much bigger than the newer sardine packed homes north of Cam. Del Norte). Last time I checked you still can’t rent an equivalent property in 4S for that. Kids go to new Poway schools and the small palm trees I planted in the back are becoming full size and adding a tropical shade garden feel to the yard . . . whats not to like??? Why be bitter with that . . . .
grateful owner . . . .
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