Are you more likely or less likely to buy now?

[donaldduckmoore]

less likely to buy.

[4Sbuyer2002]

I repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

I repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

I repeat “not a single home was damaged.” I missed that a few bales of straw (not hay) went up in smoke. I guess that “strawman” argument holds little water. The fact remains, 4S went through the fire unscathed. Mainly because there are miles of defensible space (all of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch) directly to the East. That is the key. Every neighborhood that suffered serious damage (they have my deepest sympathies) had fire fuel type vegetation east of the homes. Check it out. Its completely true. Defensible space to the East – not burn in a Santa Ana driven fire. Fire fuel prone vegetation to the East – hit and miss if homes burn in Santa Ana driven fire. This point is best evidenced by the huge effort made at Espola road in east Poway. That wild fire is the one that would have burned the land 4S is built on (after it had burned through the land Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch are built on) if there were no development (i.e. raw land). However, the entire city of Poway and Carmel Mountain Ranch lies between that area east of Espola road and 4S ranch. Homes east of Espola burned. There were 50+ fire trucks on Espola and they held it there from crossing over Espola to the west and into Poway west of Espola. Look at the map of the fire. There is a straight line at the eastern edge of Poway where the fire stopped as it approached Espola road. This fortunate feature of geography protects 4S (at least all of 4S south of Cam. Del Norte) from a Santa Ana wind driven fire, which are the most destructive type and always most from east to westerly.

grateful owner . . . .

[Dukehorn]

Learn to read your own writing. You said “no singed landscaped” and now your changed assertion is that not all of 4S ranch but the part south of Camino Del Norte is “protected”.

The funny thing is you don’t challenge my assertion that it is not protected against stupidity or arson?

Please understand your own arguments before you go out and attack other people. If any idiot drops a cigarette in the “protected area” of 4S ranch, it will go. We were lucky that those haybales got called in, there were quite a few and the wind would have driven them right through Silhouette. You can call them straw bales. I’m pretty sure the ones left behind were the haybales but I guess you went to check, eh?? I guess it strengthens your “argument” since straw isn’t flammable. Oh wait….

[Dukehorn]

Learn to read your own writing. You said “no singed landscaped” and now your changed assertion is that not all of 4S ranch but the part south of Camino Del Norte is “protected”.

The funny thing is you don’t challenge my assertion that it is not protected against stupidity or arson?

Please understand your own arguments before you go out and attack other people. If any idiot drops a cigarette in the “protected area” of 4S ranch, it will go. We were lucky that those haybales got called in, there were quite a few and the wind would have driven them right through Silhouette. You can call them straw bales. I’m pretty sure the ones left behind were the haybales but I guess you went to check, eh?? I guess it strengthens your “argument” since straw isn’t flammable. Oh wait….

[Dukehorn]

Learn to read your own writing. You said “no singed landscaped” and now your changed assertion is that not all of 4S ranch but the part south of Camino Del Norte is “protected”.

The funny thing is you don’t challenge my assertion that it is not protected against stupidity or arson?

Please understand your own arguments before you go out and attack other people. If any idiot drops a cigarette in the “protected area” of 4S ranch, it will go. We were lucky that those haybales got called in, there were quite a few and the wind would have driven them right through Silhouette. You can call them straw bales. I’m pretty sure the ones left behind were the haybales but I guess you went to check, eh?? I guess it strengthens your “argument” since straw isn’t flammable. Oh wait….

[Dukehorn]

Let’s see low humidity and high winds and “just a few bales of hay/straw” in a residential neighborhood. Nothing to worry about according to Ms. 4S.

Here’s a picture from a neighbor’s blog. That looks really safe to leave out during a fire evacuation? Right? Especially with all those young saplings knocked down by the non-existent winds in 4S.

http://eternalsunshineofmel.blogspot.com/2007/10/evacuation.html

[Dukehorn]

Let’s see low humidity and high winds and “just a few bales of hay/straw” in a residential neighborhood. Nothing to worry about according to Ms. 4S.

Here’s a picture from a neighbor’s blog. That looks really safe to leave out during a fire evacuation? Right? Especially with all those young saplings knocked down by the non-existent winds in 4S.

http://eternalsunshineofmel.blogspot.com/2007/10/evacuation.html

[Dukehorn]

Let’s see low humidity and high winds and “just a few bales of hay/straw” in a residential neighborhood. Nothing to worry about according to Ms. 4S.

Here’s a picture from a neighbor’s blog. That looks really safe to leave out during a fire evacuation? Right? Especially with all those young saplings knocked down by the non-existent winds in 4S.

http://eternalsunshineofmel.blogspot.com/2007/10/evacuation.html

[New_Renter]

Mr. 4S,
You obviously don’t have a clue how close a call 4S ranch had. You sound new to the area, given that you seem to be having trouble discerning East & West in your ramblings. Are you aware that hot embers travel for miles and could have easily lit 4S like a torch? Had the Santa Ana winds not died down as they did, not only would 4S have been torched, but Fairbanks, Olivenhain, RSF, and even Carmel Valley been lit up. Why do you think the authorities evacuated all the way to Del Mar/Solana Beach? Duh.

[New_Renter]

Mr. 4S,
You obviously don’t have a clue how close a call 4S ranch had. You sound new to the area, given that you seem to be having trouble discerning East & West in your ramblings. Are you aware that hot embers travel for miles and could have easily lit 4S like a torch? Had the Santa Ana winds not died down as they did, not only would 4S have been torched, but Fairbanks, Olivenhain, RSF, and even Carmel Valley been lit up. Why do you think the authorities evacuated all the way to Del Mar/Solana Beach? Duh.

[New_Renter]

Mr. 4S,
You obviously don’t have a clue how close a call 4S ranch had. You sound new to the area, given that you seem to be having trouble discerning East & West in your ramblings. Are you aware that hot embers travel for miles and could have easily lit 4S like a torch? Had the Santa Ana winds not died down as they did, not only would 4S have been torched, but Fairbanks, Olivenhain, RSF, and even Carmel Valley been lit up. Why do you think the authorities evacuated all the way to Del Mar/Solana Beach? Duh.

[ibjames]

wasn’t the news guy that had a house burn down right next to 4s?

[ibjames]

wasn’t the news guy that had a house burn down right next to 4s?

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