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BG, Alicia Machado was ambushed at the gym by Trump who invited the press to film her like an animal at the zoo. Trump pulled a promotional stunt.

You clearly don’t understand abuse of women and girls around the world. The argument is always that they willingly consented.

BTW, how is Hillary responsible for the past behavior of her husband? So Hillary can’t stand on her own. She must forever carry collective guilt?

[SK in CV]

[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, Alicia Machado was ambushed at the gym by Trump who invited the press to film her like an animal at the zoo. Trump pulled a promotional stunt.

You clearly don’t understand abuse of women and girls around the world. The argument is always that they willingly consented.

BTW, how is Hillary responsible for the past behavior of her husband? So Hillary can’t stand on her own. She must forever carry collective guilt?[/quote]

Can you imagine what a woman would go through trying to be a Presidential candidate if they had 5 children with 3 different fathers, and began relationships with the 2nd and 3rd husbands before they were even separated from the previous spouse?

But it’s ok when a man does it. Apparently even for some women, it’s nowhere near as bad as being married to a man who has had affairs. Is that like Stockholm syndrome or something? Or just general disrespect for women.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV]Can you imagine what a woman would go through trying to be a Presidential candidate if they had 5 children with 3 different fathers, and began relationships with the 2nd and 3rd husbands before they were even separated from the previous spouse?

But it’s ok when a man does it. Apparently even for some women, it’s nowhere near as bad as being married to a man who has had affairs. Is that like Stockholm syndrome or something? Or just general disrespect for women.[/quote]In reference to DJT, you must be referring to him cheating on Ivana with Marla Maples. When Ivana walked away from that marriage/business partnership (which SHE helped build), she was left a multi-millionaire and set for life.

Maples and DJT were only married for +/- 4 years (from ’93 to ’97, when they legally separated). He did not meet Melania until 1998, did not date her until 1999 and did not marry her until 2005. She became a permanent resident of the US on her own in 2001 and a citizen in 2006 (after she married Donald).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

You must be getting confused due to Bill’s dozens of trysts highly publicized in the MSM during fully half of our lifetimes. I know . . . it happens.

[bearishgurl]

SK, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you may be trying to say here that HRC, as a woman, would have had no chance at the 2008 and 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination unless she stayed married to that lying, cheating sack of *&^% aka Bill Clinton.

I disagree. I believe HRC (an accomplished, Ivy-educated lawyer) could have ran for President on her own merits. She would have been a lot more credible to the public on her girls and women platform had she not turned herself into the country’s most notorious “chump lady” (mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically). She would also very likely be in much better health today.

Instead, she chose to remain a “Clinton” for the sole purpose of attempting to bank on that name to further her own political career. We only have one life to lead and that is a very high price to pay for an unknown outcome, imho.

HRC was free to quietly divorce as early as 1991 and again in January 2001 and no one in this entire country would have blamed her for that decision.

Just my .02.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV]Can you imagine what a woman would go through trying to be a Presidential candidate if they had 5 children with 3 different fathers, and began relationships with the 2nd and 3rd husbands before they were even separated from the previous spouse?

But it’s ok when a man does it. Apparently even for some women, it’s nowhere near as bad as being married to a man who has had affairs. Is that like Stockholm syndrome or something? Or just general disrespect for women.[/quote]In reference to DJT, you must be referring to him cheating on Ivana with Marla Maples. When Ivana walked away from that marriage/business partnership (which SHE helped build), she was left a multi-millionaire and set for life.

Maples and DJT were only married for +/- 4 years (from ’93 to ’97, when they legally separated). He did not meet Melania until 1998, did not date her until 1999 and did not marry her until 2005. She became a permanent resident of the US on her own in 2001 and a citizen in 2006 (after she married Donald).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

You must be getting confused due to Bill’s dozens of trysts highly publicized in the MSM during fully half of our lifetimes. I know . . . it happens.[/quote]

So you’re calling Ivana a prostitute? Because she was paid well, his philandering is ok with you? I can’t even fathom why you think a financial settlement excuses his behavior but Clinton not divorcing her philandering husband makes her horrible.

I’m not confused about anything, other than your hypocrisy in being ok with Donald the philanderer but having a problem Hillary Clinton as the wife of a philanderer. You realize how anti-woman that position is, right?

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]SK, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you may be trying to say here that HRC, as a woman, would have had no chance at the 2008 and 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination unless she stayed married to that lying, cheating sack of *&^% aka Bill Clinton.

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No, I didn’t say anything the least bit similar to this. This is all your made up garbage.

And maybe you haven’t noticed it because you don’t actually read real news, but Hillary is doing quite well with women. And her health is just fine, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

You really have no f’ing clue why she decided to stay married. Your fantasy of blaming her seems as if it’s rooted in some horrible tragedy in your background. You really should see a counselor about it. Was it your abuse? Maybe your mother was abused by your father and you still blame her for it? There is help available. But clearly you have unresolved issues.

Wait. I have no idea why you have your opinions. That was very unfair of me to speculate. Because unless I know all the facts, i’d be an idiot to speculate. None of us know why Hillary Clinton decided to stay married to Bill. You’re apparently not subject to those same limitations.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV]Can you imagine what a woman would go through trying to be a Presidential candidate if they had 5 children with 3 different fathers, and began relationships with the 2nd and 3rd husbands before they were even separated from the previous spouse?

But it’s ok when a man does it. Apparently even for some women, it’s nowhere near as bad as being married to a man who has had affairs. Is that like Stockholm syndrome or something? Or just general disrespect for women.[/quote]In reference to DJT, you must be referring to him cheating on Ivana with Marla Maples. When Ivana walked away from that marriage/business partnership (which SHE helped build), she was left a multi-millionaire and set for life.

Maples and DJT were only married for +/- 4 years (from ’93 to ’97, when they legally separated). He did not meet Melania until 1998, did not date her until 1999 and did not marry her until 2005. She became a permanent resident of the US on her own in 2001 and a citizen in 2006 (after she married Donald).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

You must be getting confused due to Bill’s dozens of trysts highly publicized in the MSM during fully half of our lifetimes. I know . . . it happens.[/quote]

So you’re calling Ivana a prostitute? Because she was paid well, his philandering is ok with you? I can’t even fathom why you think a financial settlement excuses his behavior but Clinton not divorcing her philandering husband makes her horrible.

I’m not confused about anything, other than your hypocrisy in being ok with Donald the philanderer but having a problem Hillary Clinton as the wife of a philanderer. You realize how anti-woman that position is, right?[/quote]SK, I don’t excuse Donald of anything. He was philandering whilst Ivana was running his NY Plaza Hotel around the clock. I don’t think he wanted a divorce from Ivana. She deserved every penny she got in her settlement. But that was the end of his “philandering” while married. Melania wouldn’t have much to do with him until his divorce was final (in 1999).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marla_Maples

Hillary Clinton stood by and allowed herself to be repeatedly publicly humiliated for ~10 years in AR and another 8 years in the White House.

Even if they had agreed to an open marriage from Day One (likely the case), HRC literally prostrated herself at Bill’s feet over and over by covering for him and waging “revenge” on the “other women” in the back room whilst being publicly humiliated in the front room over his inability to keep his pants zipped while serving in public office. Honestly, that doesn’t speak much to her self-esteem and pride, especially since she was more than able to support herself well. The whole codependent dance between them has taken its toll on her in more ways than one.

Certainly, you can see the difference in her over the years, SK. You were there, weren’t you?

[bearishgurl]

It’s perfectly legal to have an open marriage but (fortunately or unfortunately) the vast majority of US voters don’t see it that way. They didn’t see it that way in the ’80’s or ’90’s and they don’t see it that way today. That’s not what they signed up for when they voted that person into office. Thus, attempting to conduct an open marriage as an elected official (especially occupying the highest office in the land) is a most perilous endeavor. Bill Clinton not only had very bad judgment over the years but was/is likely a sex addict. And, unfortunately, there is no cure for that.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]SK, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you may be trying to say here that HRC, as a woman, would have had no chance at the 2008 and 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination unless she stayed married to that lying, cheating sack of *&^% aka Bill Clinton.

[/quote]
No, I didn’t say anything the least bit similar to this. This is all your made up garbage.

And maybe you haven’t noticed it because you don’t actually read real news, but Hillary is doing quite well with women. And her health is just fine, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

You really have no f’ing clue why she decided to stay married. Your fantasy of blaming her seems as if it’s rooted in some horrible tragedy in your background. You really should see a counselor about it. Was it your abuse? Maybe your mother was abused by your father and you still blame her for it? There is help available. But clearly you have unresolved issues.

Wait. I have no idea why you have your opinions. That was very unfair of me to speculate. Because unless I know all the facts, i’d be an idiot to speculate. None of us know why Hillary Clinton decided to stay married to Bill. You’re apparently not subject to those same limitations.[/quote]You’re right. None of us know ALL the reasons either of them decided to stay with each other. All the REAL news I’ve read and watched (from major MSM outlets only), including HRC’s authorized biography, essentially stated that she was more ambitious than Bill in college (which impressed him) and they got together to see if they could collectively assist each other to make a difference in the world. BOTH of them wanted to run for public office early on but they couldn’t do it at the same time. They are still trying to accomplish these same goals at this late date. And that is all okay but I have always thought that HRC paid too high a price to stay with Bill after it became clear that he was more of a liability to her than an asset. If she’s okay with her current “arrangement,” so am I. But let’s not pretend this isn’t a campaign issue. Most of the country (um, the electorate) did not and does not approve.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Certainly, you can see the difference in her over the years, SK. You were there, weren’t you?[/quote]

No, I wasn’t there. And neither were you. I do remember the news. I have no idea what you mean by “see[ing] the difference in her”. But a huge difference between her and Trump. Trump was a slime ball, both in the way he treated his former wives and the way he’s treated dozens of women in public, and most certainly unknown hundreds in private. Hillary never was. Never. To steal another’s words, she had the grace to hold herself, while those around her crawled.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]You’re right. None of us know ALL the reasons either of them decided to stay with each other. All the REAL news I’ve read and watched (from major MSM outlets only), including HRC’s authorized biography, essentially stated that she was more ambitious than Bill in college (which impressed him) and they got together to see if they could collectively assist each other to make a difference in the world. BOTH of them wanted to run for public office early on but they couldn’t do it at the same time. They are still trying to accomplish these same goals at this late date. And that is all okay but I have always thought that HRC paid too high a price to stay with Bill after it became clear that he was more of a liability to her than an asset. If she’s okay with her current “arrangement,” so am I. But let’s not pretend this isn’t a campaign issue. Most of the country (um, the electorate) did not and does not approve.[/quote]

My emphasis. She’s going to be elected president in about 40 days. I don’t think he’s been “too much” of a liability. The electorate clearly doesn’t approve of his affairs. Yet he left office as one of the most popular presidents ever, and could easily have been elected to a 3rd term if it had been allowed.

Except with you. But maybe you’re fine with him and think that she was the real bad party. Which seems to be your argument. Do you think women who get raped should be prosecuted too? If you’re just playing this as a campaign thing and don’t really feel this way, I understand. That’s kinda like your candidate.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . Machado says that Trump was mean and cruel to her. Trump does not not deny he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping.[/quote]

I’m not sure why he hasn’t emphatically denied it. Last night I watched 2 videos (one lengthy) where Anderson Cooper of CNN asked her point blank if Trump had called her “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping.” She deflected the question and insisted that SHE was the spokesperson for ALL Latinos (wrong!). Cooper grilled her on her criminal past in South America and she ADMITTED TO IT, stating, “I haven’t been a saint but that’s not why I’m here. I speak out for all Latinos, blah, blah.” In spite of now finally attaining US citizenship (did the INS ever investigate her criminal record in SA??), her (broken) English isn’t the best. She also VOLUNTEERED the statement, “No one is paying me for this. I’m doing it on my own.” Cooper didn’t even ask her that . . . he could barely get a word in edgewise with her! In the beginning of the interview, she initially complemented him and thanked him for having her on his show … clearly for the purpose of her stumping against Trump and for HRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2i63x6Ga2w

I also watched a recent interview of her by Fox News’ Megyn Kelly (a trained lawyer), who asked her point blank if there were any witnesses present when Donald supposedly called her those names. Again, she deflected the question and used the the Fox interview to stump against Trump and for HRC. She initially appeared nervous at the beginning of the Kelly interview and was even shaking a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DeGAV5A86w

Both commentators were incredulous and just congratulated her on her recent US citizenship and dismissed her.

I don’t understand why this loser is currently getting so much airtime as it doesn’t seem to be a slow news cycle right now. Her 14.99 minutes of “fame” have been over for at least 48 hrs and she should now go back to posing nude for mag rags and making South American porn films, where she belongs. She could very easily be summarily impeached in a US court of law in very short order by a law-student-in-training, lol.

Can’t HRC’s campaign drag anyone out of Trump’s “archives” more credible than Machado??

Next . . .

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi] . . . Machado says that Trump was mean and cruel to her. Trump does not not deny he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping.[/quote]

I’m not sure why he hasn’t emphatically denied it. Last night I watched 2 videos (one lengthy) where Anderson Cooper of CNN asked her point blank if Trump had called her “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping.” She deflected the question and insisted that SHE was the spokesperson for ALL Latinos (wrong!). Cooper grilled her on her criminal past in South America and she ADMITTED TO IT, stating, “I haven’t been a saint but that’s not why I’m here. I speak out for all Latinos, blah, blah.” In spite of now finally attaining US citizenship (did the INS ever investigate her criminal record in SA??), her (broken) English isn’t the best. She also VOLUNTEERED the statement, “No one is paying me for this. I’m doing it on my own.” Cooper didn’t even ask her that . . . he could barely get a word in edgewise with her! In the beginning of the interview, she initially complemented him and thanked him for having her on his show … clearly for the purpose of her stumping against Trump and for HRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2i63x6Ga2w

I also watched a recent interview of her by Fox News’ Megyn Kelly (a trained lawyer), who asked her point blank if there were any witnesses present when Donald supposedly called her those names. Again, she deflected the question and used the the Fox interview to stump against Trump and for HRC. She initially appeared nervous at the beginning of the Kelly interview and was even shaking a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DeGAV5A86w

Both commentators were incredulous and just congratulated her on her recent US citizenship and dismissed her.

I don’t understand why this loser is currently getting so much airtime as it doesn’t seem to be a slow news cycle right now. Her 14.99 minutes of “fame” have been over for at least 48 hrs and she should now go back to posing nude for mag rags and making South American porn films, where she belongs. She could very easily be summarily impeached in a US court of law in very short order by a law-student-in-training, lol.

Can’t HRC’s campaign drag anyone out of Trump’s “archives” more credible than Machado??

Next . . .[/quote]

How does anything she has ever done excuse a US presidential candidate from calling her Miss Piggy or Miss Housekeeping? I asked you before and I don’t think you answered. Do you think that rape is sometimes the fault of the victim? Is something she did in Mexico, unrelated to anything being discussed, the least bit pertinent? There is nothing that needs to be impeached. Trump has essentially admitted that he’s called her everything she claims, he just falls back on the same misogynist excuses you just used.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi] . . . Machado says that Trump was mean and cruel to her. Trump does not not deny he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping.[/quote]

I’m not sure why he hasn’t emphatically denied it. Last night I watched 2 videos (one lengthy) where Anderson Cooper of CNN asked her point blank if Trump had called her “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping.” She deflected the question and insisted that SHE was the spokesperson for ALL Latinos (wrong!). Cooper grilled her on her criminal past in South America and she ADMITTED TO IT, stating, “I haven’t been a saint but that’s not why I’m here. I speak out for all Latinos, blah, blah.” In spite of now finally attaining US citizenship (did the INS ever investigate her criminal record in SA??), her (broken) English isn’t the best. She also VOLUNTEERED the statement, “No one is paying me for this. I’m doing it on my own.” Cooper didn’t even ask her that . . . he could barely get a word in edgewise with her! In the beginning of the interview, she initially complemented him and thanked him for having her on his show … clearly for the purpose of her stumping against Trump and for HRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2i63x6Ga2w

I also watched a recent interview of her by Fox News’ Megyn Kelly (a trained lawyer), who asked her point blank if there were any witnesses present when Donald supposedly called her those names. Again, she deflected the question and used the the Fox interview to stump against Trump and for HRC. She initially appeared nervous at the beginning of the Kelly interview and was even shaking a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DeGAV5A86w

Both commentators were incredulous and just congratulated her on her recent US citizenship and dismissed her.

I don’t understand why this loser is currently getting so much airtime as it doesn’t seem to be a slow news cycle right now. Her 14.99 minutes of “fame” have been over for at least 48 hrs and she should now go back to posing nude for mag rags and making South American porn films, where she belongs. She could very easily be summarily impeached in a US court of law in very short order by a law-student-in-training, lol.

Can’t HRC’s campaign drag anyone out of Trump’s “archives” more credible than Machado??

Next . . .[/quote]

How does anything she has ever done excuse a US presidential candidate from calling her Miss Piggy or Miss Housekeeping? I asked you before and I don’t think you answered. Do you think that rape is sometimes the fault of the victim? Is something she did in Mexico, unrelated to anything being discussed, the least bit pertinent? There is nothing that needs to be impeached. Trump has essentially admitted that he’s called her everything she claims, he just falls back on the same misogynist excuses you just used.[/quote]I don’t believe he called her those names. Can you point me to a video where he states he called her those names? Yes, her crimes in another country WERE pertinent when she was seeking US citizenship. It sounds like the INS once again fell down on the job. It wouldn’t be the first time and it won’t be the last.

The subject of “rape” has absolutely nothing to do with anything we have been discussing on this thread. That subject is just an example of a zinger you like to throw out at Piggs who disagree with you.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]I don’t believe he called her those names. Can you point me to a video where he states he called her those names? Yes, her crimes in another country WERE pertinent when she was seeking US citizenship. It sounds like the INS once again fell down on the job. It wouldn’t be the first time and it won’t be the last.

The subject of “rape” has absolutely nothing to do with anything we have been discussing on this thread. That subject is just an example of a zinger you like to throw out at Piggs who disagree with you.[/quote]

She has made the claim. He hasn’t denied it. He’s made excuses for doing it.

What crimes? I don’t know anything about any crimes. If there were, it still has nothing to do with the misogyny of the presidential candidate, or your support for that misogyny. It’s blaming the victim.

The rape analogy is pertinent. You’ve shown you have no problem blaming victims, particularly when they’re women.

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