Where are the Trump Yard signs

[FlyerInHi]

Yeah, knock yourself out and vote for anyone you want.

But saying “I won’t vote” means one doesn’t care not only about the presidential but also about all the local and state races where votes very much matter.

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah, knock yourself out and vote for anyone you want.

But saying “I won’t vote” means one doesn’t care not only about the presidential but also about all the local and state races where votes very much matter.[/quote]

Brian, you are continuing to address a false premise. No one said they don’t vote. No point in arguing about it.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=harvey]Why do people say their vote doesn’t make a difference in CA?

If your vote doesn’t make a difference, then who’s vote does?[/quote]

In California a person’s presidential vote in the general election doesn’t really matter. If Cali ever goes Republican in the next 30 years, it’s going to be in such a deluge election we’re not going to be the state that tips the scales. When my far left friends talk about voting for Jill Stein, I’m like “Knock yourself out… won’t affect the final result”.

Obviously an individual voter matters a lot in local races, and in competitive house seats like Scott Peters’s.[/quote]

In any election where the winning candidate wins by more than two votes, I can argue that a person’s vote does not matter.

However collectively everybody’s vote matters. We need to learn to not be so cynical.

[Anonymous]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]
In any election where the winning candidate wins by more than two votes, I can argue that a person’s vote does not matter.[/quote]

Excellent and concise explanation. Brilliant!

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]

In any election where the winning candidate wins by more than two votes, I can argue that a person’s vote does not matter.

However collectively everybody’s vote matters. We need to learn to not be so cynical.[/quote]

Very well put.

There is definitely a stong link between low voter turnout and believing votes don’t matter, especially among young people. We should not be so cynical.

[joec]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah, knock yourself out and vote for anyone you want.

But saying “I won’t vote” means one doesn’t care not only about the presidential but also about all the local and state races where votes very much matter.[/quote]

Yeah, you are putting words in my text…I just said I won’t vote for either major party prez candidate, it has nothing to do with not voting for anything else.

As I’ve said before, I hate partisan politics. I would like there to be no 2 party system since it forces, say all Republicans to be pro-life since they won’t even win their primary to get to the general.

Studies have shown that it’s simply impossible to win as an independent candidate due to the nature of US politics and this is why Trump and Bernie both ran as Rep and Dem respectively. I’d think most people would classify both as independents. I think it was stated today that Bernie may try again next time as a pure independent…

You’re also stuck with pigeonholing people when they claim a party and to believe in one thing when really, it’s just a debate of separate issues and that’s it.

Harvey, you are much better than me so be happy that you are already.

[FlyerInHi]

joec, how does voting for a third or fourth party candidate matter any more than voting R or D?

You seem to be advocating for direct presidential elections and a parliamentary system closer to what they have in France or Italy. I’d be fine with that because the left would win many more elections. Right wing social policies such as gun rights, anti abortion, etc… would be marginalized to insignificance.

There is no equivalence between Hillary and Donald.
I agree with njtosd who posted before that people naturally lean more liberal or conservative (but the parties are not natural and do evolve). Joec, I think that you lean more conservative and you’re not happy how the conservative party has evolved. Too bad. I know that misery loves company, but don’t expect others to feel the same way about their party.

[joec]

[quote=FlyerInHi]joec, how does voting for a third or fourth party candidate matter any more than voting R or D?

You seem to be advocating for direct presidential elections and a parliamentary system closer to what they have in France or Italy. I’d be fine with that because the left would win many more elections. Right wing social policies such as gun rights, anti abortion, etc… would be marginalized to insignificance.

There is no equivalence between Hillary and Donald.
I agree with njtosd who posted before that people naturally lean more liberal or conservative (but the parties are not natural and do evolve). Joec, I think that you lean more conservative and you’re not happy how the conservative party has evolved. Too bad. I know that misery loves company, but don’t expect others to feel the same way about their party.[/quote]

Actually, I was a Bernie supporter so that would probably put me way way way off from being Conservative…

I even voted for Obama once.

That’s the problem I think with this election and politics in general, you bash Hillary and everyone thinks you are a neo-Nazi/KKK Trump loving Republican.

People can’t choose to think their own thing without everyone else prejudging this or that. Maybe that’s just society in general and that’s ok and just how it is.

I suppose I am independent and don’t support to neither party ideology. Probably why I complain about the 2 party system in general overall.

I am also non-white (Asian) immigrant so Trump winning may send me and all the Asian race back in camps if there is a war with China. I probably just don’t like Hillary and that’s that.

[FlyerInHi]

I can understand the feeling of not having a home in a 2-party system. But I think it is less divisive than a multiple party system where politicians need to build coalitions. We can build consensus faster than Europeans and achieve higher economic growth.

[FlyerInHi]

Ttump should lose the women vote after the Machado affair. But i know that among his supporters, the women will follow their populist husbands in supporting Trump.
http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-debate-miss-universe-alicia-machado

Do guys who criticise women’s ever look in the mirror and apply the same judgement to themselves? I would say that Alicia Machado is hotter that 99% of women who show up at Trump rallies. Lots of people would say that Alicia Machado is hotter than Melania or any of the other Trump wives.

[quote=Rich Toscano]Someone here in Bay Park isn’t shy:

[img_assist|nid=25979|title=women inexplicably for trump|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=489|height=348][/quote]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Ttump should lose the women vote after the Machado affair. But i know that among his supporters, the women will follow their populist husbands in supporting Trump.
http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-debate-miss-universe-alicia-machado

Do guys who criticise women’s ever look in the mirror and apply the same judgement to themselves? I would say that Alicia Machado is hotter that 99% of women who show up at Trump rallies. Lots of people would say that Alicia Machado is hotter than Melania or any of the other Trump wives.

[quote=Rich Toscano]Someone here in Bay Park isn’t shy:

[img_assist|nid=25979|title=women inexplicably for trump|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=489|height=348][/quote][/quote]Yes, Machado IS and WAS pretty throughout her life . . . even at a size 10-14. However, she ballooned to 165 lbs shortly (4 months) after winning her Miss Universe crown in 1996. That was in violation of her contract for entering the contest (should she win the crown).

Instead of listening to the talking heads at CNN all day, perhaps you should look deeper into her relationship with DJT at the time of the pageant and 1-2 years after that, FIH. He was her most avid supporter, even giving her free access to his gym at Mar-a-Lago and its personal trainers for weeks! His concern and favors to her helped her quickly dump the weight she needed to to properly fulfill her duties as Miss Universe!

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/28/conservative-arizona-newspaper-tears-into-donald-trump-endorses/21482353/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl10%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-1496474950_htmlws-main-bb#slide=3546218#fullscreen

What Machado did in ’96/’97 is akin to drastically yoyo-ing up and down in weight (male OR female) while representing a weight loss company such as Jenny Craig (as a handful of well-known celebrities have done) WHILE under contract to represent that company. Of course, this is a breach of contract and grounds for “termination.” We have to ask ourselves WHO in Hill’s camp dug up Machado after going thru DJT’s comments of 20+ years ago and “coached” her to spout the lies to the MSM about him that she currently is. How much was she paid to now state that DJT is “racist” . . . among other outright lies? And why NOW?? Machado should be grateful that someone who could actually help her took a personal interest in her because they did not want the pageant winner to have weight issues with the organization.

Weight is something everyone can control. It’s called personal responsibility. Maybe someone should ask Ms. Clinton why she is now at least 85 lbs overweight when we all know that she used to have the ability to maintain a healthy weight over many years. Could it be that she has suffered from clinical depression in the past decade or so? If so, ask yourselves how that happened . . . and ponder the choices she made during her life which may very well have precipitated a depression leading to her fairly recent large weight gain. If she aspires to the strenuous job of Commander-in-Chief, she would do well to attempt to lose a few lbs per week steadily . . . whether or not she ends up with the job, IMO. If she can lose at least 60 lbs, she will undoubtedly prolong her period of mobility in her senior years, as well as her life.

HRC is a multimillionaire and thus has had access to the best personal trainers (even coming to her home 5 days per week) and can well afford an extensive home gym (if she doesn’t already have one). She can afford the best quality food and someone to prepare healthy meals for her meals at home, if she chooses to spend her time on what she considers to be more important endeavors. Her campaign can well afford to have someone obtain healthy meals for her every day she is on the campaign trail. She can carry hand-weights and a yoga mat to her hotel room . . . that’s what I do when I’m on the road, sitting in a vehicle for long lengths of time! She can have a Secret Service member follow her into her hotel’s gym so she can get a daily workout (or even reserve the entire gym for herself for a block of time)!

I noticed that the vast majority HRC’s fellow longtime female senators and assemblywomen “contemporaries” (currently age 56-76) are all approximately a size 4-10 (many appear to me to be under 120 lbs). If it wasn’t her stint in the Senate which propelled HRC into an unhealthy lifestyle, what was it? Her “stressful” stint as SOS, perhaps? I’m afraid for her continuing fitness should she be elected POTUS.

Yes, DJT has an extra ~25 lbs (+/- 5 lbs) on his 6’3″ frame. He ADMITTED THIS publicly and took personal responsibility for it. However, he appears to have a LOT more stamina and energy than HRC has. And YES, he should endeavor to lose the weight.

[FlyerInHi]

Errr… Trump is more than 25 pounds overweight.
The point is that women are held to a higher standard of beauty than men. It takes women so much longer to prepare to go out.
BG, as a woman, if you don’t see the hyprocrisy in Trump, then you deserve him.
BTW, you just wrote a long paragraph criticizing Hillary’s looks and you pretty much gave Trump a pass.

I haven’t read the miss universe contract. But im guessing that it requires that miss universe represents the organization in a professional manner. If Trump believes that weight gain is unprofessional and a problem then he’s free to argue that.

Machado says that Trump was mean and cruel to her. Trump does not not deny he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Errr… Trump is more than 25 pounds overweight.
The point is that women are held to a higher standard of beauty than men. It takes women so much longer to prepare to go out.
BG, as a woman, if you don’t see the hyprocrisy in Trump, then you deserve him.
BTW, you just wrote a long paragraph criticizing Hillary’s looks and you pretty much gave a Trump a pass.

I haven’t read the miss universe contract. But im guessing that it requires that miss universe represents the organization in a professional manner. If Trump believes that weight gain is unprofessional and a problem then he’s free to argue that.

Machado says that Trump was mean and cruel to her. Trump does not not deny he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping.[/quote]I saw the recent Dr. OZ video where he (apparently) read (from Trump’s recent physical exam) on the MSM news networks that Trump weighed 237 lbs.

At what weight is a 6’3″ male considered overweight? At what weight are they considered obese?

At 5’7″, Ms. Clinton weighs at least 220 lbs. (I know exactly what 220 lbs looks like as I have lived nearly my entire life in a gym with mostly females, lol.) At what weight is a 5’7″ female considered overweight? At what weight are they considered obese?

I’m not giving anyone a pass. Trump admitted that he ate too much fast food because it was “convenient” when he was not at home. He needs to have his staff get him healthier meals when he is at work and also on the campaign trial, imho.

And had you even viewed the slide show I provided above, you would have realized that Machado and Trump were not only good friends during the era of the 1996 Miss Universe pageant, she really looked up to him and was grateful to him for helping her at the time.

You’re the “resident health nut,” around here, FIH. What say you?

[FlyerInHi]

What say I? I say both Donald and Hillary are overweight. Donald looks 300 lbs to me. I don’t think he can see his penis. Hillary looks 170 or 180. Hillary looks like a chubby 5´7 guy who should be 140 max

But my comments about health of public figures from a distance is not the same as being cruel to a young lady 19 years of age. Trump treated Machado like property. I’m sorry the female Trump supporters don’t see that, or are willing to overlook it.

Trumps treats everyone like property and he’s devoid of compassion.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]What say I? I say both Donald and Hillary are overweight. Donald looks 300 lbs to me. I don’t think he can see his penis. Hillary looks 170 or 180. Hillary looks like a chubby 5´7 guy who should be 140 max

But my comments about health of public figures from a distance is not the same as being cruel to a young lady 19 years of age. Trump treated Machado like property. I’m sorry the female Trump supporters don’t see that, or are willing to overlook it.

Trumps treats everyone like property and he’s devoid of compassion.[/quote]I ran across this video this morning. Apparently, none other than that liberal MSM bastion known as CNN dug it up out of their “archives:”

Not only is Trump telling Machado that he thought she was the most beautiful Miss Universe candidate PRIOR to when he purchased the pageant, he also provided her a second gym membership and personal trainer close to her home and told her that she was still beautiful. She laughed and invited him to work out with her any time after he acknowledged that he doesn’t work out much and had a tendency to eat too much during stressful times as she did. He even joked with the press who was present that some of them could lose a few lbs and they all laughed.

Trump also agreed with her trainer that she didn’t look as good at 117-118 (when she entered the contest) and she would at 125-130 (she is bigger-boned) and so that range would be her goal. She was successful in losing ~60 lbs in just a few (4-5) months with Trump’s financial help and completed her contract with the crowning of the next Miss Universe.

She’s now claiming that Trump hurt her emotionally and caused her to later have an “eating disorder.” (She was an adult at the time he assisted her with her weight loss for the sole purpose of her being successful in fulfilling the rest of her contract.)

Nearly 20 years later, Machado is now acting like an immature whiner and a victim. After viewing this video, I am convinced that the Clinton campaign PAID HER HANDSOMELY to say those things about Trump (“racist/mysoginist”) after it googled statements in the past he’s said to women and dug her up out of nowhere. It’s as transparent as a pane of glass.

This type of smearing by “Clinton operatives” is a two-way street and a HUGE distraction to the actual issues in this election. Good L@rd, there is enough Bill & Hill sex, drugs and rock-n-roll (as well as murder allegations) fodder out in the airwaves to create two entire college courses, each one semester long, replete with midterms and final exams! And that’s not even counting digging up all of their old cabinet members, Secret Service officers assigned to them (yes, the Clinton presidency of the ’90’s was actually THEM, NOT HIM), White House personnel assigned to them, “semi-estranged” family members of both as well as Bill’s several dozen so-called erupted “bimbos.”

I would venture that over 75% of these people are still alive and kicking and the vast majority of them would no doubt be beyond pleased to be asked to tell it like it was to any MSM outlet that the Trump campaign can sell the interview to, lol.

“What’s good for the goose is good for the gander” applies to politics as well :=0

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