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February 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM #661711February 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM #660580
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Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
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11 weeks summer break[/quote]Comparing mid career engineers to teachers through a generic statement is absolutely absurd. How is the training of a computer engineer in anyway similar to that of a english teacher or physical education teacher.
Moreover, engineers don’t get to unionize like teachers do. If engineers could unionize like teachers we would not have a Google, Apple or Qualcomm here in the US…. If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.February 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM #660643Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]Comparing mid career engineers to teachers through a generic statement is absolutely absurd. How is the training of a computer engineer in anyway similar to that of a english teacher or physical education teacher.
Moreover, engineers don’t get to unionize like teachers do. If engineers could unionize like teachers we would not have a Google, Apple or Qualcomm here in the US…. If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.February 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM #661247Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]Comparing mid career engineers to teachers through a generic statement is absolutely absurd. How is the training of a computer engineer in anyway similar to that of a english teacher or physical education teacher.
Moreover, engineers don’t get to unionize like teachers do. If engineers could unionize like teachers we would not have a Google, Apple or Qualcomm here in the US…. If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.February 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM #661385Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]Comparing mid career engineers to teachers through a generic statement is absolutely absurd. How is the training of a computer engineer in anyway similar to that of a english teacher or physical education teacher.
Moreover, engineers don’t get to unionize like teachers do. If engineers could unionize like teachers we would not have a Google, Apple or Qualcomm here in the US…. If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.February 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM #661716Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]Comparing mid career engineers to teachers through a generic statement is absolutely absurd. How is the training of a computer engineer in anyway similar to that of a english teacher or physical education teacher.
Moreover, engineers don’t get to unionize like teachers do. If engineers could unionize like teachers we would not have a Google, Apple or Qualcomm here in the US…. If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.February 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM #660600
CoronitaParticipantLOL….
I don’t think there anything any politician to do that could save CA from fiscal ruin…There’s too many sacred cows from too many self interest groups, and not a collective, we all need to pay more (or cut more). Folks don’t want to pay higher taxes because they don’t want higher taxes to go into public pension increases. People with public pensions don’t want to see their benefits cut, and public employees, teachers, fire/police don’t want to see their pay cut…There’s plenty of advocacy groups who think that we illegal immigrants should enjoy benefits for which they don’t need to pay for…And there’s plenty of businesses that don’t want the state to raise anymore taxes either.
Just let it ride….Issue more bonds until they become junk…And finally when they are junk, just force someone else to write them off….Heck, eventually the rest of the world will have to write off our national debt anyway, might as well houseclean and tack on all the state debt into the federal level…..
Question: how can you tell a politician is lying?
Answer: his lips are moving….
February 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM #660663CoronitaParticipantLOL….
I don’t think there anything any politician to do that could save CA from fiscal ruin…There’s too many sacred cows from too many self interest groups, and not a collective, we all need to pay more (or cut more). Folks don’t want to pay higher taxes because they don’t want higher taxes to go into public pension increases. People with public pensions don’t want to see their benefits cut, and public employees, teachers, fire/police don’t want to see their pay cut…There’s plenty of advocacy groups who think that we illegal immigrants should enjoy benefits for which they don’t need to pay for…And there’s plenty of businesses that don’t want the state to raise anymore taxes either.
Just let it ride….Issue more bonds until they become junk…And finally when they are junk, just force someone else to write them off….Heck, eventually the rest of the world will have to write off our national debt anyway, might as well houseclean and tack on all the state debt into the federal level…..
Question: how can you tell a politician is lying?
Answer: his lips are moving….
February 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM #661267CoronitaParticipantLOL….
I don’t think there anything any politician to do that could save CA from fiscal ruin…There’s too many sacred cows from too many self interest groups, and not a collective, we all need to pay more (or cut more). Folks don’t want to pay higher taxes because they don’t want higher taxes to go into public pension increases. People with public pensions don’t want to see their benefits cut, and public employees, teachers, fire/police don’t want to see their pay cut…There’s plenty of advocacy groups who think that we illegal immigrants should enjoy benefits for which they don’t need to pay for…And there’s plenty of businesses that don’t want the state to raise anymore taxes either.
Just let it ride….Issue more bonds until they become junk…And finally when they are junk, just force someone else to write them off….Heck, eventually the rest of the world will have to write off our national debt anyway, might as well houseclean and tack on all the state debt into the federal level…..
Question: how can you tell a politician is lying?
Answer: his lips are moving….
February 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM #661405CoronitaParticipantLOL….
I don’t think there anything any politician to do that could save CA from fiscal ruin…There’s too many sacred cows from too many self interest groups, and not a collective, we all need to pay more (or cut more). Folks don’t want to pay higher taxes because they don’t want higher taxes to go into public pension increases. People with public pensions don’t want to see their benefits cut, and public employees, teachers, fire/police don’t want to see their pay cut…There’s plenty of advocacy groups who think that we illegal immigrants should enjoy benefits for which they don’t need to pay for…And there’s plenty of businesses that don’t want the state to raise anymore taxes either.
Just let it ride….Issue more bonds until they become junk…And finally when they are junk, just force someone else to write them off….Heck, eventually the rest of the world will have to write off our national debt anyway, might as well houseclean and tack on all the state debt into the federal level…..
Question: how can you tell a politician is lying?
Answer: his lips are moving….
February 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM #661736CoronitaParticipantLOL….
I don’t think there anything any politician to do that could save CA from fiscal ruin…There’s too many sacred cows from too many self interest groups, and not a collective, we all need to pay more (or cut more). Folks don’t want to pay higher taxes because they don’t want higher taxes to go into public pension increases. People with public pensions don’t want to see their benefits cut, and public employees, teachers, fire/police don’t want to see their pay cut…There’s plenty of advocacy groups who think that we illegal immigrants should enjoy benefits for which they don’t need to pay for…And there’s plenty of businesses that don’t want the state to raise anymore taxes either.
Just let it ride….Issue more bonds until they become junk…And finally when they are junk, just force someone else to write them off….Heck, eventually the rest of the world will have to write off our national debt anyway, might as well houseclean and tack on all the state debt into the federal level…..
Question: how can you tell a politician is lying?
Answer: his lips are moving….
February 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM #660625permabear
ParticipantWithout raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.
February 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM #660688ParticipantWithout raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.
February 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM #661292ParticipantWithout raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.
February 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM #661430ParticipantWithout raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.
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