Surreal State of the State Speech

[Eugene]

[quote=Djshakes]
Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954

Looks like you proved his point.[/quote]

I’d like some proof for the claim that they all work 3/4’s of the year. Teachers sometimes have to show up for work even if classes are out. There are different tracks, some students have to study well into July.

And in any event, it’s not like those teachers can easily find a second job during summer months that pays comparable to their first. So there’s no point dividing by .75.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954[/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The summer vacation has value – but it’s not fungible with $20K in cash. Not like they can just pick up a summer job and earn an extra $20K.

The important point is this:

Anyone who chooses a career in teaching can look forward to trying to survive on less than $70K per year when they are 35 years old (In San Diego!) Their compensation will never be much higher, and once you’ve been a teacher for a few years, the opportunities to change careers drops to almost zero.

Why would someone with aptitude for anything want to be a teacher?

There’s lots that can be done to fix education – there are some good ideas on this thread. One obvious fix is to abandon this notion of putting everyone on the “college track” in high school and focus more on vocational skills.

But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954[/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The summer vacation has value – but it’s not fungible with $20K in cash. Not like they can just pick up a summer job and earn an extra $20K.

The important point is this:

Anyone who chooses a career in teaching can look forward to trying to survive on less than $70K per year when they are 35 years old (In San Diego!) Their compensation will never be much higher, and once you’ve been a teacher for a few years, the opportunities to change careers drops to almost zero.

Why would someone with aptitude for anything want to be a teacher?

There’s lots that can be done to fix education – there are some good ideas on this thread. One obvious fix is to abandon this notion of putting everyone on the “college track” in high school and focus more on vocational skills.

But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954[/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The summer vacation has value – but it’s not fungible with $20K in cash. Not like they can just pick up a summer job and earn an extra $20K.

The important point is this:

Anyone who chooses a career in teaching can look forward to trying to survive on less than $70K per year when they are 35 years old (In San Diego!) Their compensation will never be much higher, and once you’ve been a teacher for a few years, the opportunities to change careers drops to almost zero.

Why would someone with aptitude for anything want to be a teacher?

There’s lots that can be done to fix education – there are some good ideas on this thread. One obvious fix is to abandon this notion of putting everyone on the “college track” in high school and focus more on vocational skills.

But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954[/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The summer vacation has value – but it’s not fungible with $20K in cash. Not like they can just pick up a summer job and earn an extra $20K.

The important point is this:

Anyone who chooses a career in teaching can look forward to trying to survive on less than $70K per year when they are 35 years old (In San Diego!) Their compensation will never be much higher, and once you’ve been a teacher for a few years, the opportunities to change careers drops to almost zero.

Why would someone with aptitude for anything want to be a teacher?

There’s lots that can be done to fix education – there are some good ideas on this thread. One obvious fix is to abandon this notion of putting everyone on the “college track” in high school and focus more on vocational skills.

But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.

$64,466/.75 = $85,954[/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The summer vacation has value – but it’s not fungible with $20K in cash. Not like they can just pick up a summer job and earn an extra $20K.

The important point is this:

Anyone who chooses a career in teaching can look forward to trying to survive on less than $70K per year when they are 35 years old (In San Diego!) Their compensation will never be much higher, and once you’ve been a teacher for a few years, the opportunities to change careers drops to almost zero.

Why would someone with aptitude for anything want to be a teacher?

There’s lots that can be done to fix education – there are some good ideas on this thread. One obvious fix is to abandon this notion of putting everyone on the “college track” in high school and focus more on vocational skills.

But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.

[Djshakes]

You must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.

$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.

$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.

So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.

Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.

[Djshakes]

You must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.

$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.

$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.

So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.

Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.

[Djshakes]

You must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.

$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.

$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.

So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.

Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.

[Djshakes]

You must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.

$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.

$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.

So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.

Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.

[Djshakes]

You must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.

$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.

$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.

So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.

Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]

No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]

No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]

No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]

No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.

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