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February 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM #661761February 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM #660645
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Guest[quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.
February 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM #660708Guest[quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.
February 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM #661312Guest[quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.
February 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM #661450Guest[quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.
February 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM #661781Guest[quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.
February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM #660650Djshakes
Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]If an engineer makes $100k there is no way in hell a teacher should make $80K. Engineering majors fall on the harder end of the education spectrum where teachers fall on the liberal arts easier side of the education spectrum. Period. No way in hell are they even comparable.
This opinion is coming from a licensed education major with 3 years of public high school experience under my belt before I changed career paths. From my experience and interaction with other teachers, you don’t have to be extremely brilliant to be a teacher like the Hollywood movies may portray. I seldom took work home and it wasn’t a difficult career. I was in an elective department and our FTEs were based on enrollment unlike the core courses. So you had to be a good teacher with good courses in order to justify your position. Others in core departments had a lot more job security.
It has been proven time and time again that money dumped into the education system doesn’t produce test results. In fact, doesn’t CA spend more per student than any other state with the worst results?
Also, it is almost impossible to fire a teacher because of the unions. They just shift the bad teachers around to different districts. It is called “the turkey trot”.
February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM #660713Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]If an engineer makes $100k there is no way in hell a teacher should make $80K. Engineering majors fall on the harder end of the education spectrum where teachers fall on the liberal arts easier side of the education spectrum. Period. No way in hell are they even comparable.
This opinion is coming from a licensed education major with 3 years of public high school experience under my belt before I changed career paths. From my experience and interaction with other teachers, you don’t have to be extremely brilliant to be a teacher like the Hollywood movies may portray. I seldom took work home and it wasn’t a difficult career. I was in an elective department and our FTEs were based on enrollment unlike the core courses. So you had to be a good teacher with good courses in order to justify your position. Others in core departments had a lot more job security.
It has been proven time and time again that money dumped into the education system doesn’t produce test results. In fact, doesn’t CA spend more per student than any other state with the worst results?
Also, it is almost impossible to fire a teacher because of the unions. They just shift the bad teachers around to different districts. It is called “the turkey trot”.
February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM #661317Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]If an engineer makes $100k there is no way in hell a teacher should make $80K. Engineering majors fall on the harder end of the education spectrum where teachers fall on the liberal arts easier side of the education spectrum. Period. No way in hell are they even comparable.
This opinion is coming from a licensed education major with 3 years of public high school experience under my belt before I changed career paths. From my experience and interaction with other teachers, you don’t have to be extremely brilliant to be a teacher like the Hollywood movies may portray. I seldom took work home and it wasn’t a difficult career. I was in an elective department and our FTEs were based on enrollment unlike the core courses. So you had to be a good teacher with good courses in order to justify your position. Others in core departments had a lot more job security.
It has been proven time and time again that money dumped into the education system doesn’t produce test results. In fact, doesn’t CA spend more per student than any other state with the worst results?
Also, it is almost impossible to fire a teacher because of the unions. They just shift the bad teachers around to different districts. It is called “the turkey trot”.
February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM #661455Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]If an engineer makes $100k there is no way in hell a teacher should make $80K. Engineering majors fall on the harder end of the education spectrum where teachers fall on the liberal arts easier side of the education spectrum. Period. No way in hell are they even comparable.
This opinion is coming from a licensed education major with 3 years of public high school experience under my belt before I changed career paths. From my experience and interaction with other teachers, you don’t have to be extremely brilliant to be a teacher like the Hollywood movies may portray. I seldom took work home and it wasn’t a difficult career. I was in an elective department and our FTEs were based on enrollment unlike the core courses. So you had to be a good teacher with good courses in order to justify your position. Others in core departments had a lot more job security.
It has been proven time and time again that money dumped into the education system doesn’t produce test results. In fact, doesn’t CA spend more per student than any other state with the worst results?
Also, it is almost impossible to fire a teacher because of the unions. They just shift the bad teachers around to different districts. It is called “the turkey trot”.
February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM #661786Participant[quote=ninaprincess]I think mid career Engineers get around 100k for the same training, so 80k is not too much for teachers.
From the article, the higher range salaries are much higher than the mid career number. So mid career is not the MAX. “The highest salaries offered range from $91,144 at Fountain Valley Elementary to $111,701 at Laguna Beach.”
1 week spring break
2 weeks winter break
11 weeks summer break[/quote]If an engineer makes $100k there is no way in hell a teacher should make $80K. Engineering majors fall on the harder end of the education spectrum where teachers fall on the liberal arts easier side of the education spectrum. Period. No way in hell are they even comparable.
This opinion is coming from a licensed education major with 3 years of public high school experience under my belt before I changed career paths. From my experience and interaction with other teachers, you don’t have to be extremely brilliant to be a teacher like the Hollywood movies may portray. I seldom took work home and it wasn’t a difficult career. I was in an elective department and our FTEs were based on enrollment unlike the core courses. So you had to be a good teacher with good courses in order to justify your position. Others in core departments had a lot more job security.
It has been proven time and time again that money dumped into the education system doesn’t produce test results. In fact, doesn’t CA spend more per student than any other state with the worst results?
Also, it is almost impossible to fire a teacher because of the unions. They just shift the bad teachers around to different districts. It is called “the turkey trot”.
February 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM #660655Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
February 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM #660718Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
February 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM #661322Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
February 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM #661460Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
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