Republicans for Impeaching President Bush

[TheBreeze]

I would impeach Bush on Iraq but give him credit for doing the right thing on immigration. That shows you how opposites differ but might become bedfellows to achieve a common goal. 🙂

jg and PerryChase secret bedfellows? Sounds like a love match made in heaven. 🙂

[TheBreeze]

Besides, if they aren’t going to pick the strawberries you eat, who will? You wanna pay $10/lb for strawberries when farmers hire unionized ex-UAW to pick the fields??????

The way I see it, the real price of strawberries isn’t the price you pay at the store. The real price would take into account the cost of unemployment benefits and welfare of the displaced native-born U.S. citizen who won’t pick strawberries for $3/hr or whatever a Mexican will do it for. Plus, you need to take into account the cost of subsidized shool lunches for children of illegal immigrants. Plus, trips to the emergency room for the illegal immigrants. Plus the cost of overcrowded schools.

I see this bill as a way for rich business owners and farmers to push more of their true costs onto the taxpayers. Instead of ponying up for healthcare and fair wages for their workers, rich business folk push those costs on to taxpayers who make up the difference between what the a-hole, money-hording business owner is paying and what constitutes a livable wage in this country.

I would have no problem with strawberries going up to $10/lb or $20/lb or whatever it would take to get an American worker to pick them because then I could stop subsidizing the wealth of rich farmers and business folk through my taxes. People who actually eat strawberries would be paying their true costs which is the way it should be.

Actually, I agree with a couple of previous posters. Strawberries and other produce would probably only go up a couple of bucks a pound if native-born citizens were hired to pick them. This increase in price would spur innovation and then someone would eventually invent a machine that picks strawberries cheaper than any person could.

[TheBreeze]

Besides, if they aren’t going to pick the strawberries you eat, who will? You wanna pay $10/lb for strawberries when farmers hire unionized ex-UAW to pick the fields??????

The way I see it, the real price of strawberries isn’t the price you pay at the store. The real price would take into account the cost of unemployment benefits and welfare of the displaced native-born U.S. citizen who won’t pick strawberries for $3/hr or whatever a Mexican will do it for. Plus, you need to take into account the cost of subsidized shool lunches for children of illegal immigrants. Plus, trips to the emergency room for the illegal immigrants. Plus the cost of overcrowded schools.

I see this bill as a way for rich business owners and farmers to push more of their true costs onto the taxpayers. Instead of ponying up for healthcare and fair wages for their workers, rich business folk push those costs on to taxpayers who make up the difference between what the a-hole, money-hording business owner is paying and what constitutes a livable wage in this country.

I would have no problem with strawberries going up to $10/lb or $20/lb or whatever it would take to get an American worker to pick them because then I could stop subsidizing the wealth of rich farmers and business folk through my taxes. People who actually eat strawberries would be paying their true costs which is the way it should be.

Actually, I agree with a couple of previous posters. Strawberries and other produce would probably only go up a couple of bucks a pound if native-born citizens were hired to pick them. This increase in price would spur innovation and then someone would eventually invent a machine that picks strawberries cheaper than any person could.

[TheBreeze]

The US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped.

So, so true. A state-of-the-art fence running along the entire 2,000 mile border would probalby only cost $8 billion. That’s nothing! I believe we are on track to spend over $100 billion on the Iraq debacle this year alone. $8 billion to help stop illegal immigration is an absolute pittance.

[TheBreeze]

The US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped.

So, so true. A state-of-the-art fence running along the entire 2,000 mile border would probalby only cost $8 billion. That’s nothing! I believe we are on track to spend over $100 billion on the Iraq debacle this year alone. $8 billion to help stop illegal immigration is an absolute pittance.

[TheBreeze]

More of us will have to want those jobs first for ourselves or our kids to put a counter pressure to the business and immigrant lobbies.

Actually, native-born Americans constitute around 80% of the work force in those supposed “jobs that Americans won’t do.”

[TheBreeze]

More of us will have to want those jobs first for ourselves or our kids to put a counter pressure to the business and immigrant lobbies.

Actually, native-born Americans constitute around 80% of the work force in those supposed “jobs that Americans won’t do.”

[Anonymous]

Perry, I’m flattered by the offer to become a strange bedfellow, but as a happily married heterosexual male, I’ll pass.

Glad to hear that folks on both sides are unhappy about elements of this. I’m heartened to hear that there are Southern Democrats in the House who will have no part of this.

There’s a huge difference between those who came to America before and the illegals coming in now: metered vs. flooding volume; screened for disease vs. not; demonstrated basic knowledge of American history and culture vs. not.

My mother came to the U.S. from Mexico, legally, in the ’50s; was a migrant farm worker as a child; and is a Democrat. She’s outraged by this proposed amnesty.

Sounds like this will die in the House. Great to hear.

Write those e-mails, folks, to your Congressman!

[Anonymous]

Perry, I’m flattered by the offer to become a strange bedfellow, but as a happily married heterosexual male, I’ll pass.

Glad to hear that folks on both sides are unhappy about elements of this. I’m heartened to hear that there are Southern Democrats in the House who will have no part of this.

There’s a huge difference between those who came to America before and the illegals coming in now: metered vs. flooding volume; screened for disease vs. not; demonstrated basic knowledge of American history and culture vs. not.

My mother came to the U.S. from Mexico, legally, in the ’50s; was a migrant farm worker as a child; and is a Democrat. She’s outraged by this proposed amnesty.

Sounds like this will die in the House. Great to hear.

Write those e-mails, folks, to your Congressman!

[TheBreeze]

But I earned this money. I already paid taxes on this money. And I’ll be damned if te government tells me what I can do with it upon my death.

You have a very healthy sense of entitlement fat_lazy guy. No doubt you’ve been supporting yourself sincy you came out of the womb. You probably also never used a public highway and funded your very own personal police force and military. I bet you personally paid for private education while growing up also. Yep, no doubt you earned all that money and would have done just as well in the 1960’s Soviet Union as you have done in the modern United States.

In case you’re not getting my point, every U.S. citizen benefits simply by being born in the U.S. The richest have benefitted the most and should pay the most in taxes. If you don’t like the U.S. tax system, then renounce your citizenship and move someplace that will better respect your monies.

I’m not about to shed a tear for the rich when the second-richest person in the United States pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

[TheBreeze]

But I earned this money. I already paid taxes on this money. And I’ll be damned if te government tells me what I can do with it upon my death.

You have a very healthy sense of entitlement fat_lazy guy. No doubt you’ve been supporting yourself sincy you came out of the womb. You probably also never used a public highway and funded your very own personal police force and military. I bet you personally paid for private education while growing up also. Yep, no doubt you earned all that money and would have done just as well in the 1960’s Soviet Union as you have done in the modern United States.

In case you’re not getting my point, every U.S. citizen benefits simply by being born in the U.S. The richest have benefitted the most and should pay the most in taxes. If you don’t like the U.S. tax system, then renounce your citizenship and move someplace that will better respect your monies.

I’m not about to shed a tear for the rich when the second-richest person in the United States pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

[NotCranky]

Your argument is not fair JG. Who is going to counter you now when to do so implies talking down your mother?:)

You are making really good points of the true hazards of reckless handling of migrant worker but I must say your qouting her reminds me of the “last in shut the door” mentality that immigrants often have.

Another comparision people here have made is about how unfair it is that illegals are crossing the border whne other people are paying thousands of dollars and wading through years of scrutiny and red tape to have a chance at citizenship.The people who have the means to conduct that sort of effort are not coming here to pick strawberries. They want our jobs, and if the govenment didn’t limit their entry severely there really would be serious political consequences.

Conversely it is a matter of economy and efficiency to play this cat and mouse game with the Mexican nationals who want to swing a hammer or cook prime rib dinners for us up here.It is just cheaper to let them come in illegally at least up front and then there is always the possibility of throwing them out when things go bad and we actually want their jobs. Try that with someone who pays dearly to enter this country legally.
Another point, the children of illegals are in large numbers fighting your war in Iraq. What kind of respect do you think they deserve for that? Do you read the Sirnames of the Fallen?It is the same economy that allows them to die for you or for oil or how ever you look at it,as allows them to work and use public services.

[NotCranky]

Your argument is not fair JG. Who is going to counter you now when to do so implies talking down your mother?:)

You are making really good points of the true hazards of reckless handling of migrant worker but I must say your qouting her reminds me of the “last in shut the door” mentality that immigrants often have.

Another comparision people here have made is about how unfair it is that illegals are crossing the border whne other people are paying thousands of dollars and wading through years of scrutiny and red tape to have a chance at citizenship.The people who have the means to conduct that sort of effort are not coming here to pick strawberries. They want our jobs, and if the govenment didn’t limit their entry severely there really would be serious political consequences.

Conversely it is a matter of economy and efficiency to play this cat and mouse game with the Mexican nationals who want to swing a hammer or cook prime rib dinners for us up here.It is just cheaper to let them come in illegally at least up front and then there is always the possibility of throwing them out when things go bad and we actually want their jobs. Try that with someone who pays dearly to enter this country legally.
Another point, the children of illegals are in large numbers fighting your war in Iraq. What kind of respect do you think they deserve for that? Do you read the Sirnames of the Fallen?It is the same economy that allows them to die for you or for oil or how ever you look at it,as allows them to work and use public services.

[JJGittes]

“In case you’re not getting my point, every U.S. citizen benefits simply by being born in the U.S. The richest have benefitted the most and should pay the most in taxes. If you don’t like the U.S. tax system, then renounce your citizenship and move someplace that will better respect your monies.”

Glad that is cleared up. I always wondered what AlGore meant when he said I was a winner in life’s lottery. I wish I had known all this earlier, I would have foregone spending $50k on higher education, and working for 40 years. Just kick back and allow the magic of the good old US of A take care of things.

Also, I wonder if you would suggest that Pelosi and the D party in general renounce their citizenship since they clearly don’t like our current tax system, that ‘only’ requires a high earner in California to pay a combined top marginal rate of 44.3% in income tax, which of course does not include payroll tax, medicare taxes, prop. tax and sales taxes, among others.

But hey, count me in on buying Nancy and the gang a one-way ticket if she wants to head to greener pastures somewhere else!

[JJGittes]

“In case you’re not getting my point, every U.S. citizen benefits simply by being born in the U.S. The richest have benefitted the most and should pay the most in taxes. If you don’t like the U.S. tax system, then renounce your citizenship and move someplace that will better respect your monies.”

Glad that is cleared up. I always wondered what AlGore meant when he said I was a winner in life’s lottery. I wish I had known all this earlier, I would have foregone spending $50k on higher education, and working for 40 years. Just kick back and allow the magic of the good old US of A take care of things.

Also, I wonder if you would suggest that Pelosi and the D party in general renounce their citizenship since they clearly don’t like our current tax system, that ‘only’ requires a high earner in California to pay a combined top marginal rate of 44.3% in income tax, which of course does not include payroll tax, medicare taxes, prop. tax and sales taxes, among others.

But hey, count me in on buying Nancy and the gang a one-way ticket if she wants to head to greener pastures somewhere else!

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