Republicans for Impeaching President Bush

[Anonymous]

The only solution is a national ID system in combination with real government enforecement on employers.

The fence doesn’t solve anything. If employers can no longer hire illegals, the problem goes away naturally through attrition.

[Ash Housewares]

The fence is an opportunity for politicos to get a good photo op, nothing more. Do you really think that people desperate enough to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert are going to be turned back by a fence? Hell no. They’ll be constantly digging under it, tearing it down, etc. It’s just there as a political statement. You have to crack down on the employers offering them jobs.

[Ash Housewares]

The fence is an opportunity for politicos to get a good photo op, nothing more. Do you really think that people desperate enough to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert are going to be turned back by a fence? Hell no. They’ll be constantly digging under it, tearing it down, etc. It’s just there as a political statement. You have to crack down on the employers offering them jobs.

[NotCranky]

“You have to crack down on the employers offering them jobs.”
More of us will have to want those jobs first for ourselves or our kids to put a counter pressure to the business and immigrant lobbies. That won’t happen unless there is a depression but the politicians know many voters are nervous enough about the economy/jobs to be moved by the discusson.So its all talk as other’s have said.
I am not a racist or protectionist from any angle just observations. Its all just so very primal to me.

[NotCranky]

“You have to crack down on the employers offering them jobs.”
More of us will have to want those jobs first for ourselves or our kids to put a counter pressure to the business and immigrant lobbies. That won’t happen unless there is a depression but the politicians know many voters are nervous enough about the economy/jobs to be moved by the discusson.So its all talk as other’s have said.
I am not a racist or protectionist from any angle just observations. Its all just so very primal to me.

[PerryChase]

Do any of you who are complaining bitterly against Mexican illegals, ever hire day-laborers, gardeners or maids? If you do, make sure you check their IDs and pay the social security taxes. How about the contractors you hire to build your patio or your pool?

Do you think that people who live in 3000-6000sf Mc Mansions don’t ever hire illegals to maintain their houses? Real estate drove illegal immigration and a lot of people benefited.

Follow any upper middle class family home and on errands and you’ll see that most of them employ illegals for one thing or another. I know a couple who live in a 6000sf Mc Mansion with a live-in Mexican maid who is without documents. I practiced my Spanish and she told me her story :). Well that couple are Rush Limbaugh Republicans!! But they make exceptions for themselves — just like their hero.

[PerryChase]

Do any of you who are complaining bitterly against Mexican illegals, ever hire day-laborers, gardeners or maids? If you do, make sure you check their IDs and pay the social security taxes. How about the contractors you hire to build your patio or your pool?

Do you think that people who live in 3000-6000sf Mc Mansions don’t ever hire illegals to maintain their houses? Real estate drove illegal immigration and a lot of people benefited.

Follow any upper middle class family home and on errands and you’ll see that most of them employ illegals for one thing or another. I know a couple who live in a 6000sf Mc Mansion with a live-in Mexican maid who is without documents. I practiced my Spanish and she told me her story :). Well that couple are Rush Limbaugh Republicans!! But they make exceptions for themselves — just like their hero.

[Anonymous]

I agree with nsr and dz that once we dry up the demand — by enforcing existing laws with employers — that supply will dry up, too (border crossings will drop and illegals will go home, assuming that politicians get the spine to kick ’em off welfare).

I think that we may need a fence, though, too, as there are folks — terrorists — who want to get in here, bring bad things in, and kill us.

Perry, we Republicans will worry about our own — illegal-hiring McMansion owners — as you clean up your side of the house — purported ‘greens’ spewing tons of junk from their Citations as they fly to their next conference in Colorado or Sante Fe.

[Anonymous]

I agree with nsr and dz that once we dry up the demand — by enforcing existing laws with employers — that supply will dry up, too (border crossings will drop and illegals will go home, assuming that politicians get the spine to kick ’em off welfare).

I think that we may need a fence, though, too, as there are folks — terrorists — who want to get in here, bring bad things in, and kill us.

Perry, we Republicans will worry about our own — illegal-hiring McMansion owners — as you clean up your side of the house — purported ‘greens’ spewing tons of junk from their Citations as they fly to their next conference in Colorado or Sante Fe.

[NotCranky]

Yo te intiendo muy bien Perry. Esta gente es muy egoista y hipocrata!
If we had half the charm of the basically decent humble(not stupid) mexican person and they had half the opportunity that the basic selfish self serving american had we would be equals. These people simply come from a place where there is pratically an institutionalized lack of opportunity for so many, even if they are as educated as we are.

[NotCranky]

Yo te intiendo muy bien Perry. Esta gente es muy egoista y hipocrata!
If we had half the charm of the basically decent humble(not stupid) mexican person and they had half the opportunity that the basic selfish self serving american had we would be equals. These people simply come from a place where there is pratically an institutionalized lack of opportunity for so many, even if they are as educated as we are.

[blahblahblah]

Do you really think that people desperate enough to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert are going to be turned back by a fence? Hell no.

The reason they have to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert is that they are forced to go around the fence of death that Clinton built during Operation Gatekeeper. Building partial fences is just making the coyotes rich and killing poor, desperate people. There are two solutions — tear down the fences entirely and allow free movement of people or build and monitor a complete fence stretching from the Gulf to the Pacific. Either solution will probably cost us taxpayers the same amount.

The real issue is corporate control of the US. The reason there are so many desperate illegals willing to do anything to get here is that big ag pushed NAFTA through in order to open up the Mexican market. The campesinos down there were left with no choice and most of us would do the same if we were in their shoes.

We’re all doomed!

[blahblahblah]

Do you really think that people desperate enough to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert are going to be turned back by a fence? Hell no.

The reason they have to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert is that they are forced to go around the fence of death that Clinton built during Operation Gatekeeper. Building partial fences is just making the coyotes rich and killing poor, desperate people. There are two solutions — tear down the fences entirely and allow free movement of people or build and monitor a complete fence stretching from the Gulf to the Pacific. Either solution will probably cost us taxpayers the same amount.

The real issue is corporate control of the US. The reason there are so many desperate illegals willing to do anything to get here is that big ag pushed NAFTA through in order to open up the Mexican market. The campesinos down there were left with no choice and most of us would do the same if we were in their shoes.

We’re all doomed!

[no_such_reality]

Sorry Rustico, I don’t buy the noble laborer sentiment. Although I will buy that the illegal aliens are exploited buy the few for profit at the expense of the many that think they’re getting a cheaper product.

The true costs of the illegal labor gets borne by the consumer not in paying more for a head lettuce, construction or other work that is being done, but instead, a lack of entrepeneurial innovation, in inadequate funding for the schools, subpar education, unfunded hospitals and a collapse of emergency care services, and a ghettotizing of neighborhoods tolerating a two class system replicating the graft and corruption that most are fleeing in coming here.

It has been done before, in the middle ages, before the plague, society stagnanted becuase it was cheaper to use abundant cheap feudal labor than improve things. Things like the printing press didn’t get evented until after that plague made it too costly to have dozens of monks sitting around copying manuscripts by hand.

Immigration is good for the country. Illegal immigration is incredibly bad. Create a guest worker program for low skilled laborers where they come, make a reasonable amount money, pay taxes, have required insurance, a fees for the infrastructure use and go home. Much like Singapore. For highly skilled laborers, increase and expedite the immigration process.

[no_such_reality]

Sorry Rustico, I don’t buy the noble laborer sentiment. Although I will buy that the illegal aliens are exploited buy the few for profit at the expense of the many that think they’re getting a cheaper product.

The true costs of the illegal labor gets borne by the consumer not in paying more for a head lettuce, construction or other work that is being done, but instead, a lack of entrepeneurial innovation, in inadequate funding for the schools, subpar education, unfunded hospitals and a collapse of emergency care services, and a ghettotizing of neighborhoods tolerating a two class system replicating the graft and corruption that most are fleeing in coming here.

It has been done before, in the middle ages, before the plague, society stagnanted becuase it was cheaper to use abundant cheap feudal labor than improve things. Things like the printing press didn’t get evented until after that plague made it too costly to have dozens of monks sitting around copying manuscripts by hand.

Immigration is good for the country. Illegal immigration is incredibly bad. Create a guest worker program for low skilled laborers where they come, make a reasonable amount money, pay taxes, have required insurance, a fees for the infrastructure use and go home. Much like Singapore. For highly skilled laborers, increase and expedite the immigration process.

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