Republicans for Impeaching President Bush

[MANmom]

MANmom

Don’t forget that once they have legal status here whether it be a green card or visa, do you think they will go back to picking strawberries or anything else? No, forget picking crops, now they can work anywhere else, and we will be back to having to find ag workers again…perpetual cycle, we need guest workers, no anchor babies and tough enforcement of the laws we have…put the employers in jail. I am also contacting my senators…I suggest you do the same.

[MANmom]

MANmom

Don’t forget that once they have legal status here whether it be a green card or visa, do you think they will go back to picking strawberries or anything else? No, forget picking crops, now they can work anywhere else, and we will be back to having to find ag workers again…perpetual cycle, we need guest workers, no anchor babies and tough enforcement of the laws we have…put the employers in jail. I am also contacting my senators…I suggest you do the same.

[meadandale]

I love how the article states that the guy sends home $300/month ($3600/yr) but then states “where would I get $5000?”.

Another guy says he paid a border smuggler almost two grand to get across the border?

AFAIK, the $5000 can be repaid over 8 years. If you can’t afford it, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way back across the border.

These people are just selfish. They will pay to get across the border but now that they are here, they don’t see any point in having to pay TO STAY.

I say we start fueling up the busses and sending these folks home. In the long run, it will cost less than the drain on the treasury from their retirement and healthcare costs.

[meadandale]

I love how the article states that the guy sends home $300/month ($3600/yr) but then states “where would I get $5000?”.

Another guy says he paid a border smuggler almost two grand to get across the border?

AFAIK, the $5000 can be repaid over 8 years. If you can’t afford it, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way back across the border.

These people are just selfish. They will pay to get across the border but now that they are here, they don’t see any point in having to pay TO STAY.

I say we start fueling up the busses and sending these folks home. In the long run, it will cost less than the drain on the treasury from their retirement and healthcare costs.

[blahblahblah]

The US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped. They are addicted to cheap labor; illegals don’t usually organize and they’re usually (not always though) afraid to go to the authorities to complain about unsafe work conditions, unpaid overtime, or on-the-job injuries for fear of being sent home.

The political parties trot out “solutions” every few years to make you think they’re doing something — tough new border controls and partial fences to please the anti-immigrant crowd (and put dollars in the DHS coffers), and amnesty and visa ploys to please the pro-immigrant crowd. But in the end nothing changes.

The Republicans are particulary disingenous about this, and are the masters of playing to both sides. They get Sensebrenner (from Wisconsin, not a lot of Rodriguez’s in the phonebooks there) to talk tough about building new fences or hiring more DHS officers while at the same time Dubya (Texas) and Dubya’s Bubba Jeb (Florida) are speaking Spanish and talking about guestworker programs and amnesty. So everyone thinks that the Republicans have the right answer, because they have every answer!

Of course, the blame for the explosive growth in illegal immigration rests with Clinton and the NAFTA crew — NAFTA put all of those Mexican farmworkers out of work almost overnight as Mexico was flooded with cheap agricultural products from giant US factory farms. They went from the 1920s to the 1990s overnight and, like the Okie sharecroppers forced off of their land in the depression, they made their way anywhere they could find work. It’s the biggest Northbound migration since the 1910 Mexican revolution, when almost a million Mexicans came to the US at a time when our population was only 90M.

We are all doomed.

[blahblahblah]

The US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped. They are addicted to cheap labor; illegals don’t usually organize and they’re usually (not always though) afraid to go to the authorities to complain about unsafe work conditions, unpaid overtime, or on-the-job injuries for fear of being sent home.

The political parties trot out “solutions” every few years to make you think they’re doing something — tough new border controls and partial fences to please the anti-immigrant crowd (and put dollars in the DHS coffers), and amnesty and visa ploys to please the pro-immigrant crowd. But in the end nothing changes.

The Republicans are particulary disingenous about this, and are the masters of playing to both sides. They get Sensebrenner (from Wisconsin, not a lot of Rodriguez’s in the phonebooks there) to talk tough about building new fences or hiring more DHS officers while at the same time Dubya (Texas) and Dubya’s Bubba Jeb (Florida) are speaking Spanish and talking about guestworker programs and amnesty. So everyone thinks that the Republicans have the right answer, because they have every answer!

Of course, the blame for the explosive growth in illegal immigration rests with Clinton and the NAFTA crew — NAFTA put all of those Mexican farmworkers out of work almost overnight as Mexico was flooded with cheap agricultural products from giant US factory farms. They went from the 1920s to the 1990s overnight and, like the Okie sharecroppers forced off of their land in the depression, they made their way anywhere they could find work. It’s the biggest Northbound migration since the 1910 Mexican revolution, when almost a million Mexicans came to the US at a time when our population was only 90M.

We are all doomed.

[PerryChase]

As much as I hate to say it, I support Bush on the immigration bill. It’s the right thing to do and it’ll enrich and grow our country.

I think that the deal will happen because:

1) Business interests support it. They need workers. Bush’ polls are so low now that it won’t make a difference if the signs the bill. Bush spent all his political capital in Iraq. He’s needs to finally payoff the business wing of the party.

2) Liberal Democrats (the intellectual wing) support it. So they need to pass it during a Republican administration to avoid the wrath of the labor unions.

Yes, this deal won’t end illegal immigration and might attract others. But America is big enough; and a growing dynamic society and economy is what keeps us ahead of the world.

Think about it, without population growth, Real Estate will not go up. Are we ready to face a declining population with declining asset values? I think not.

[PerryChase]

As much as I hate to say it, I support Bush on the immigration bill. It’s the right thing to do and it’ll enrich and grow our country.

I think that the deal will happen because:

1) Business interests support it. They need workers. Bush’ polls are so low now that it won’t make a difference if the signs the bill. Bush spent all his political capital in Iraq. He’s needs to finally payoff the business wing of the party.

2) Liberal Democrats (the intellectual wing) support it. So they need to pass it during a Republican administration to avoid the wrath of the labor unions.

Yes, this deal won’t end illegal immigration and might attract others. But America is big enough; and a growing dynamic society and economy is what keeps us ahead of the world.

Think about it, without population growth, Real Estate will not go up. Are we ready to face a declining population with declining asset values? I think not.

[no_such_reality]

don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ

We don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.

[no_such_reality]

don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ

We don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.

[blahblahblah]

We don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.

My friends in DHS say it’s not gonna happen without a fence, but of course maybe they just want more $$$ to build it 🙂 Anyway, here’s a little inside scoop — most of these illegals have documents, social security numbers, driver’s licenses, etc… Once you have the SS # it all follows from there. Employers check these numbers against a federal database which apparently isn’t very accurate.

Anyway, DHS has collected a list of around a million fraudulent SS #s that illegals are using; they presented this list to the SSA and IRS a couple of years back to get these numbers off of the good list; that way if anyone tries to use them they’ll be caught. Guess what the IRS/SSA said? NO, we can’t take these numbers off of our list because WE NEED THE TAX REVENUE. That’s right, your own IRS is complicit in this scam. That is straight from a DHS officer so I’m sure it’s true.

You are right that a fence won’t be necessary, but we will need a national ID card like every other country has. Either solution would be allright with me…

[blahblahblah]

We don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.

My friends in DHS say it’s not gonna happen without a fence, but of course maybe they just want more $$$ to build it 🙂 Anyway, here’s a little inside scoop — most of these illegals have documents, social security numbers, driver’s licenses, etc… Once you have the SS # it all follows from there. Employers check these numbers against a federal database which apparently isn’t very accurate.

Anyway, DHS has collected a list of around a million fraudulent SS #s that illegals are using; they presented this list to the SSA and IRS a couple of years back to get these numbers off of the good list; that way if anyone tries to use them they’ll be caught. Guess what the IRS/SSA said? NO, we can’t take these numbers off of our list because WE NEED THE TAX REVENUE. That’s right, your own IRS is complicit in this scam. That is straight from a DHS officer so I’m sure it’s true.

You are right that a fence won’t be necessary, but we will need a national ID card like every other country has. Either solution would be allright with me…

[NotCranky]

It’s not a scam Concho…It’s Capitalism!
We can’t have Homeland security messing with it so let them build a fence that will keep em busy!Of course they will have to leave holes in or the deal is off!

[NotCranky]

It’s not a scam Concho…It’s Capitalism!
We can’t have Homeland security messing with it so let them build a fence that will keep em busy!Of course they will have to leave holes in or the deal is off!

[Anonymous]

The only solution is a national ID system in combination with real government enforecement on employers.

The fence doesn’t solve anything. If employers can no longer hire illegals, the problem goes away naturally through attrition.

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