Ot would we all be safer if everyone were armed?

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[quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

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faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.

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[quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.

[quote=faterikcartman]

Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
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Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.

[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
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I was responding to this.

[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
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Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

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[quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.

[quote=faterikcartman]

Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
[/quote]
Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.

[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
[/quote]
I was responding to this.

[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
[/quote]

Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

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[quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.

[quote=faterikcartman]

Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
[/quote]
Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.

[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
[/quote]
I was responding to this.

[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
[/quote]

Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.

[quote=faterikcartman]

Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
[/quote]
Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.

[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
[/quote]
I was responding to this.

[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
[/quote]

Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.

[quote=faterikcartman]

Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
[/quote]
Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.

[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
[/quote]
I was responding to this.

[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
[/quote]

Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

[all]

[quote=desmond]Cap,

Instead of making things up: “And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting” pure B.S.

Why not refer to the recent Arizona shootings when a legal gun carrying citizen did not use his gun and instead tackled and held the criminal shooter. The gun carrying citizen was able to make a rational decision and choose a physical takedown instead of using his gun. Again, the only person using his gun was the criminal.[/quote]

So the benefit of easy access to guns is exactly what?

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[quote=desmond]Cap,

Instead of making things up: “And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting” pure B.S.

Why not refer to the recent Arizona shootings when a legal gun carrying citizen did not use his gun and instead tackled and held the criminal shooter. The gun carrying citizen was able to make a rational decision and choose a physical takedown instead of using his gun. Again, the only person using his gun was the criminal.[/quote]

So the benefit of easy access to guns is exactly what?

[all]

[quote=desmond]Cap,

Instead of making things up: “And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting” pure B.S.

Why not refer to the recent Arizona shootings when a legal gun carrying citizen did not use his gun and instead tackled and held the criminal shooter. The gun carrying citizen was able to make a rational decision and choose a physical takedown instead of using his gun. Again, the only person using his gun was the criminal.[/quote]

So the benefit of easy access to guns is exactly what?

[all]

[quote=desmond]Cap,

Instead of making things up: “And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting” pure B.S.

Why not refer to the recent Arizona shootings when a legal gun carrying citizen did not use his gun and instead tackled and held the criminal shooter. The gun carrying citizen was able to make a rational decision and choose a physical takedown instead of using his gun. Again, the only person using his gun was the criminal.[/quote]

So the benefit of easy access to guns is exactly what?

[all]

[quote=desmond]Cap,

Instead of making things up: “And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting” pure B.S.

Why not refer to the recent Arizona shootings when a legal gun carrying citizen did not use his gun and instead tackled and held the criminal shooter. The gun carrying citizen was able to make a rational decision and choose a physical takedown instead of using his gun. Again, the only person using his gun was the criminal.[/quote]

So the benefit of easy access to guns is exactly what?

[faterikcartman]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]

Doh! Missed this one in my haste to respond earlier. Thank you and my apologies as I think I quoted your first quote here.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]

Doh! Missed this one in my haste to respond earlier. Thank you and my apologies as I think I quoted your first quote here.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]

Doh! Missed this one in my haste to respond earlier. Thank you and my apologies as I think I quoted your first quote here.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]

Doh! Missed this one in my haste to respond earlier. Thank you and my apologies as I think I quoted your first quote here.

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