Ot would we all be safer if everyone were armed?

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=bearishgurl][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=bearishgurl]Having lived in the Chula Vista area since 1986, I’ve never heard of the “1%’ers.” Guess I must have lived a “sheltered existence” here in the middle of the “gang-infested ghetto,” lol.

FWIW, Piggs, I don’t have iron grates on my windows, don’t own a gun and never owned a security system. And I have no plans to acquire any of these things![/quote]

1%’ers are self proclaimed outlaw bikers. The are the 1% of society that does not live by “the rules”.

Locally we have Hells Angles, Mongols, and various other groups.

And yeah… They hang in Chula Vista… Where do you think they would hang? La Jolla?

PSA by CE[/quote]

I would think Poway, Lakeside, Ramona, Campo, Boulevard and Dulzura, where they have historically “hung out.” Anyone have any idea where these so-called “outlaw bikers” hang out in Chula Vista? Could it be in 91911?? It could be said that 91910 and 91911 are almost completely different countries from one another. I’ve never seen them.[/quote]

Sure they hang out there too but you stated that you never seen them and e.g they must not be there.

I have some dealings with the Chula Vista PD. Its part of my job to provided data services to them so I get the local scoop on the dirt every once and awhile so I no a little more about that area then others. Not trying to pick on CV I just know more about it.

But if you have any doubts read this juice little tid bit.

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs/654/meth.htm

Take care and lock your doors.

and I won’t argue that any nice nieghbor hood can’t go bad.

and I realize that CV has many nice places to live. I love the “hill” area by H street but would never buy a home there unless my childern were already out of school.

CE[/quote]

CE, your article is dated 2000 (11 years ago).

. . . The primary retail distributors of methamphetamine in the district are Mexican criminals and Mexican-American criminal groups. Local independent dealers, street gangs, Caucasians, and biker gangs also distribute the drug. The Chula Vista Police Department states that Mexicans, as well as Caucasians and biker gangs, distribute methamphetamine in its area. DEA reports that the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club is establishing a chapter in Tijuana; however, a working relationship between the Hells Angels and Mexican DTOs has not been confirmed.

According to the San Diego Sheriff’s Department, the dominant distributors of methamphetamine in San Diego County are Caucasians with connections to the Arellano-Felix Organization. The San Diego Police Department describes a layered drug distribution network whereby Mexican DTOs deal with middlemen who then work with known dealers–from gangs to individuals–who handle street sales. Most of the drug dealing at the street level is polydrug. . .

(emphasis added)

The article also mentions several areas in North County which were infested with gang/meth mfg/sales activity and also areas in Imperial County and Logan Heights (SD). If the “Hells Angels” are currently established in Tijuana, BC, that is NOT Chula Vista.

Also, Chula Vista is a very diverse City of over 250K residents living in five zip codes. Each zip code/micro-area has different demographics from the other, sometimes VASTLY different. If something is happening in Chula Vista that I’m not aware of, it could be going on up to 12+ miles away from me, in an area I don’t frequent. You can’t lump “Chula Vista” all into one category, just like you can’t lump San Diego or Escondido into one category. They’re too big.

Yes, the “Hill”top area you are referring to is one of the better neighborhoods in Chula Vista to raise a family in. And Hilltop HS has an well-known IB program and also participates in a nationwide Academic Decathalon every year. It is a very good school (as well as its feeder schools) and I would highly recommend raising children in those (mostly larger) well-built homes situated on spacious lots :=][/quote]

And you think that because the document is 11 years old that all of that has since been cleared up? I should have done more research but google any of those key words and you will find Bikers, gangs, and meth all in Chula Vista. Your arguement was that they were not there. They are there… in force. The reason Hell’s Angels are not in Chula Vista in force is because that is not territroy they own. Could be Boozefighter, Bandidos, or some other club but they are there and like you said it the article is 11 years old so who knows who “owns” CV now.

Also you make this statement: ” The article also mentions several areas in North County which were infested with gang/meth mfg/sales activity and also areas in Imperial County and Logan Heights (SD). If the “Hells Angels” are currently established in Tijuana, BC, that is NOT Chula Vista.”

But you highlighted this as well: “The Chula Vista Police Department states that Mexicans, as well as Caucasians and biker gangs, distribute methamphetamine in its area. DEA reports that the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club is establishing a chapter in Tijuana”

That area IS Chula Vista. CVPD reports this activity IN ITS AREA. Key words there…

I know you love your home and can feel your conviction for it but this area has problems. Most do. Just not the kind I want my kids to deal with

But I would not raise my childern on “The Hill” in a school or district that has the neigbhorhood’s next future hood rats.

I grew up fighting with the State Street Boys, Pinoy Boys, Bloods, Little Latin Locos, and 28th Street instead of paying attention to schooling (I grew up in schools were kids became Crips so at least I didn’t have to fight with them).

That is just not the area I would raise my kid in. May be out towards Eastlake but not anywhere near that stuff in old CV. And eventually that shit will spill over into the newer neighborhoods of CV.

Deny it all you want but it is there. Just be careful of yourself.

And as Spok say’s “Live long and prosper”

CE

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Djshakes]

However, I believe that an alarm, a dog and a bat provide sufficient protection while reducing the danger of a nosy kid hurting itself (my cousin never fully recovered from shooting himself in the left hand while playing with my uncle’s handgun).

My wife is an orange county native. She didn’t grow up around guns like I did in WI. She is a girlie girl. I took her shooting once to get her familiar with guns. I keep a pistol in the night stand next to the bed. I drill her from time to time to make sure she can chamber a round, etc. She isn’t a fan of guns. I’m sure she would prefer I don’t have them but does understand that in a tough situation, they can help. It is not my first line of defense as it shouldn’t be. I have the house always locked and I am installing an alarm system. However, if someone broke in and lets say I don’t have access to the gun, she might. She wouldn’t even have to shoot the perp…she could shoot in the ceiling. The sound of the gun should scare away the perp. I think most people here that are anti-gun feel that people with them are going to use them like the movies or the wild west. That isn’t the case. There different ways to use a hammer.[/quote]

Dj: I own several guns myself, avidly support gun ownership rights, and as most long-time posters on this board know, I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun politically. I’ve also been in the Army and survived more than my share of firefights.

I will also tell you that I don’t keep any loaded guns in the house. Yes, we have an alarm system and dogs (including two big ones), and I lock up every night. I do keep a razor sharp 8″ SOG single-edge in my nightstand, as I know my house (especially in darkness) far better than any intruder ever could. The main reasons I don’t keep a loaded gun in the house are the various statistics and case studies about homeowners that do.

Let’s face it: Most cops can’t shoot worth a shit in a gunfight and the same applies to most soldiers in a firefight. I’ll tell you from experience that stress, adrenalin, and noise will fuck up your point-of-aim every time. Throw in inexperience, terror and low- or sub-light conditions, and your wife is as likely (statistically speaking) to shoot you as the intruder.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Djshakes]

However, I believe that an alarm, a dog and a bat provide sufficient protection while reducing the danger of a nosy kid hurting itself (my cousin never fully recovered from shooting himself in the left hand while playing with my uncle’s handgun).

My wife is an orange county native. She didn’t grow up around guns like I did in WI. She is a girlie girl. I took her shooting once to get her familiar with guns. I keep a pistol in the night stand next to the bed. I drill her from time to time to make sure she can chamber a round, etc. She isn’t a fan of guns. I’m sure she would prefer I don’t have them but does understand that in a tough situation, they can help. It is not my first line of defense as it shouldn’t be. I have the house always locked and I am installing an alarm system. However, if someone broke in and lets say I don’t have access to the gun, she might. She wouldn’t even have to shoot the perp…she could shoot in the ceiling. The sound of the gun should scare away the perp. I think most people here that are anti-gun feel that people with them are going to use them like the movies or the wild west. That isn’t the case. There different ways to use a hammer.[/quote]

Dj: I own several guns myself, avidly support gun ownership rights, and as most long-time posters on this board know, I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun politically. I’ve also been in the Army and survived more than my share of firefights.

I will also tell you that I don’t keep any loaded guns in the house. Yes, we have an alarm system and dogs (including two big ones), and I lock up every night. I do keep a razor sharp 8″ SOG single-edge in my nightstand, as I know my house (especially in darkness) far better than any intruder ever could. The main reasons I don’t keep a loaded gun in the house are the various statistics and case studies about homeowners that do.

Let’s face it: Most cops can’t shoot worth a shit in a gunfight and the same applies to most soldiers in a firefight. I’ll tell you from experience that stress, adrenalin, and noise will fuck up your point-of-aim every time. Throw in inexperience, terror and low- or sub-light conditions, and your wife is as likely (statistically speaking) to shoot you as the intruder.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Djshakes]

However, I believe that an alarm, a dog and a bat provide sufficient protection while reducing the danger of a nosy kid hurting itself (my cousin never fully recovered from shooting himself in the left hand while playing with my uncle’s handgun).

My wife is an orange county native. She didn’t grow up around guns like I did in WI. She is a girlie girl. I took her shooting once to get her familiar with guns. I keep a pistol in the night stand next to the bed. I drill her from time to time to make sure she can chamber a round, etc. She isn’t a fan of guns. I’m sure she would prefer I don’t have them but does understand that in a tough situation, they can help. It is not my first line of defense as it shouldn’t be. I have the house always locked and I am installing an alarm system. However, if someone broke in and lets say I don’t have access to the gun, she might. She wouldn’t even have to shoot the perp…she could shoot in the ceiling. The sound of the gun should scare away the perp. I think most people here that are anti-gun feel that people with them are going to use them like the movies or the wild west. That isn’t the case. There different ways to use a hammer.[/quote]

Dj: I own several guns myself, avidly support gun ownership rights, and as most long-time posters on this board know, I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun politically. I’ve also been in the Army and survived more than my share of firefights.

I will also tell you that I don’t keep any loaded guns in the house. Yes, we have an alarm system and dogs (including two big ones), and I lock up every night. I do keep a razor sharp 8″ SOG single-edge in my nightstand, as I know my house (especially in darkness) far better than any intruder ever could. The main reasons I don’t keep a loaded gun in the house are the various statistics and case studies about homeowners that do.

Let’s face it: Most cops can’t shoot worth a shit in a gunfight and the same applies to most soldiers in a firefight. I’ll tell you from experience that stress, adrenalin, and noise will fuck up your point-of-aim every time. Throw in inexperience, terror and low- or sub-light conditions, and your wife is as likely (statistically speaking) to shoot you as the intruder.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Djshakes]

However, I believe that an alarm, a dog and a bat provide sufficient protection while reducing the danger of a nosy kid hurting itself (my cousin never fully recovered from shooting himself in the left hand while playing with my uncle’s handgun).

My wife is an orange county native. She didn’t grow up around guns like I did in WI. She is a girlie girl. I took her shooting once to get her familiar with guns. I keep a pistol in the night stand next to the bed. I drill her from time to time to make sure she can chamber a round, etc. She isn’t a fan of guns. I’m sure she would prefer I don’t have them but does understand that in a tough situation, they can help. It is not my first line of defense as it shouldn’t be. I have the house always locked and I am installing an alarm system. However, if someone broke in and lets say I don’t have access to the gun, she might. She wouldn’t even have to shoot the perp…she could shoot in the ceiling. The sound of the gun should scare away the perp. I think most people here that are anti-gun feel that people with them are going to use them like the movies or the wild west. That isn’t the case. There different ways to use a hammer.[/quote]

Dj: I own several guns myself, avidly support gun ownership rights, and as most long-time posters on this board know, I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun politically. I’ve also been in the Army and survived more than my share of firefights.

I will also tell you that I don’t keep any loaded guns in the house. Yes, we have an alarm system and dogs (including two big ones), and I lock up every night. I do keep a razor sharp 8″ SOG single-edge in my nightstand, as I know my house (especially in darkness) far better than any intruder ever could. The main reasons I don’t keep a loaded gun in the house are the various statistics and case studies about homeowners that do.

Let’s face it: Most cops can’t shoot worth a shit in a gunfight and the same applies to most soldiers in a firefight. I’ll tell you from experience that stress, adrenalin, and noise will fuck up your point-of-aim every time. Throw in inexperience, terror and low- or sub-light conditions, and your wife is as likely (statistically speaking) to shoot you as the intruder.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Djshakes]

However, I believe that an alarm, a dog and a bat provide sufficient protection while reducing the danger of a nosy kid hurting itself (my cousin never fully recovered from shooting himself in the left hand while playing with my uncle’s handgun).

My wife is an orange county native. She didn’t grow up around guns like I did in WI. She is a girlie girl. I took her shooting once to get her familiar with guns. I keep a pistol in the night stand next to the bed. I drill her from time to time to make sure she can chamber a round, etc. She isn’t a fan of guns. I’m sure she would prefer I don’t have them but does understand that in a tough situation, they can help. It is not my first line of defense as it shouldn’t be. I have the house always locked and I am installing an alarm system. However, if someone broke in and lets say I don’t have access to the gun, she might. She wouldn’t even have to shoot the perp…she could shoot in the ceiling. The sound of the gun should scare away the perp. I think most people here that are anti-gun feel that people with them are going to use them like the movies or the wild west. That isn’t the case. There different ways to use a hammer.[/quote]

Dj: I own several guns myself, avidly support gun ownership rights, and as most long-time posters on this board know, I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun politically. I’ve also been in the Army and survived more than my share of firefights.

I will also tell you that I don’t keep any loaded guns in the house. Yes, we have an alarm system and dogs (including two big ones), and I lock up every night. I do keep a razor sharp 8″ SOG single-edge in my nightstand, as I know my house (especially in darkness) far better than any intruder ever could. The main reasons I don’t keep a loaded gun in the house are the various statistics and case studies about homeowners that do.

Let’s face it: Most cops can’t shoot worth a shit in a gunfight and the same applies to most soldiers in a firefight. I’ll tell you from experience that stress, adrenalin, and noise will fuck up your point-of-aim every time. Throw in inexperience, terror and low- or sub-light conditions, and your wife is as likely (statistically speaking) to shoot you as the intruder.

[scaredyclassic]

I like the knife idea. One kid sleeps with a crowbar (for zombie attacks; a knife would be useless).

I wonder if a non shooting gun that just made a big bang might be helpful in distracting an invader

[scaredyclassic]

I like the knife idea. One kid sleeps with a crowbar (for zombie attacks; a knife would be useless).

I wonder if a non shooting gun that just made a big bang might be helpful in distracting an invader

[scaredyclassic]

I like the knife idea. One kid sleeps with a crowbar (for zombie attacks; a knife would be useless).

I wonder if a non shooting gun that just made a big bang might be helpful in distracting an invader

[scaredyclassic]

I like the knife idea. One kid sleeps with a crowbar (for zombie attacks; a knife would be useless).

I wonder if a non shooting gun that just made a big bang might be helpful in distracting an invader

[scaredyclassic]

I like the knife idea. One kid sleeps with a crowbar (for zombie attacks; a knife would be useless).

I wonder if a non shooting gun that just made a big bang might be helpful in distracting an invader

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CDMA ENG]And you think that because the document is 11 years old that all of that has since been cleared up?

. . . but they are there and like you said it the article is 11 years old so who knows who “owns” CV now.

That area IS Chula Vista. CVPD reports this activity IN ITS AREA. Key words there…[/quote]

For the most part, yes.

CE, you need to change the stmt in the article to past tense, that is, to “. . . WAS in its area in 2000.” I was here in 2000, as well, and didn’t see any meth mfg/sales going on OR biker gangs.

And I want to know why the SD Division of the DEA/NTF moved from its longtime HQ in National City to none other than “Carlsbad,” lol. Was this just a “space-issue” decision? They had plenty of “space” in National City. Don’t you think they would want to be closest to their “daily activities?”

CE, I have a very l-o-o-o-ong memory as I am a longtime former justice-system employee here in SD county. I could tick off grisly murders, rapes, arson, shooting sprees, a mass suicide, meth-lab busts, kidnappings, SWAT-team standoffs, etc, but this blog isn’t long enough. I can assure you that this ENTIRE county top to bottom and side to side is NOT IMMUNE from wackos living amongst their midst, heinous and grisly crime as well as all manner of assorted kids getting involved with the “wrong influences.”

[quote=CDMA ENG]. . . I know you love your home and can feel your conviction for it but this area has problems. Most do. Just not the kind I want my kids to deal with

But I would not raise my childern on “The Hill” in a school or district that has the neigbhorhood’s next future hood rats.

I grew up fighting with the State Street Boys, Pinoy Boys, Bloods, Little Latin Locos, and 28th Street instead of paying attention to schooling (I grew up in schools were kids became Crips so at least I didn’t have to fight with them).

That is just not the area I would raise my kid in. May be out towards Eastlake but not anywhere near that stuff in old CV. And eventually that shit will spill over into the newer neighborhoods of CV. . .[/quote]

CE, If you choose to live your life “afraid” and teach your kids to be “afraid,” that is your business.

My understanding from your former posts is that you are renting a house in UC. UC is well-established, like the older sections of Chula Vista. That’s why I think it is a nice place to live in an SFR, many situated on larger than std lots. There are two major differences between UC and older Chula Vista. The first is that UC is in closer proximity to more high-tech jobs. The second is that older Chula Vista has many homes built on raised “pier and post” foundations and many luxury homes on 1/2 AC to 4 AC lots. Many of these luxury homes are 3000+ sf single-story, CE. There are also many beautiful historical homes registered with the Mills Act (tax abatement program) in Chula Vista. UC does not have any of this.

I don’t know where you grew up but it doesn’t at all sound like a comparison to Chula Vista.

And no, I don’t work for the Chula Vista Chamber of Commerce and I have never been “emotionally attached” to properties I have owned. I’ve owned several properties in San Diego County and my current property will not be my last. It was purchased in a specific location for a specific purpose and when that purpose is gone, so am I. But for the time being, it is spacious, with a large backyard, situated in a very picturesque, entirely walkable ‘hood on all bus lines, etc.

“Eastlake,” on the other hand, is rife with brown, treeless tiny front yards, foreclosures, peeling paint (that was heavily watered down when it was originally applied by the developer 20-25 yrs ago), tiny driveways leading to overfilled garages (often to the point where the garage door won’t completely close), and vehicles parked everywhere, etc. ESPECIALLY Eastlake Shores. And the “commute time” from there to the I-805 in the mornings can take up to 35 mins. OR you can pay $44 mo (each way) to use the SR-125 “toll road.” Take your pick, CE.

Eastlake Shores is 8.5 miles from me. If you drove 8.5 to 12 miles from your residence in UC, might you end up someplace you “wouldn’t want to live in??” Well, for me, driving 8.5 to 12 miles south and southeast lands me in … Chula Vista (albeit 2-3 zip codes over)!!

Apples to apples here, CE.

Can I just ask your opinion on “gentrification,” CE?? I don’t know how old you are but at what age would you say that neighborhoods will be what they are (stable) and will not “change” anymore. In other words, if your ‘hood in UC is 45 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If my ‘hood is 65 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If La Playa (SD) is 75 years old, do you think there is room for decline there? Just wondering . . .

When, in the lifetime of a “neighborhood,” is it most vulnerable to decline?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CDMA ENG]And you think that because the document is 11 years old that all of that has since been cleared up?

. . . but they are there and like you said it the article is 11 years old so who knows who “owns” CV now.

That area IS Chula Vista. CVPD reports this activity IN ITS AREA. Key words there…[/quote]

For the most part, yes.

CE, you need to change the stmt in the article to past tense, that is, to “. . . WAS in its area in 2000.” I was here in 2000, as well, and didn’t see any meth mfg/sales going on OR biker gangs.

And I want to know why the SD Division of the DEA/NTF moved from its longtime HQ in National City to none other than “Carlsbad,” lol. Was this just a “space-issue” decision? They had plenty of “space” in National City. Don’t you think they would want to be closest to their “daily activities?”

CE, I have a very l-o-o-o-ong memory as I am a longtime former justice-system employee here in SD county. I could tick off grisly murders, rapes, arson, shooting sprees, a mass suicide, meth-lab busts, kidnappings, SWAT-team standoffs, etc, but this blog isn’t long enough. I can assure you that this ENTIRE county top to bottom and side to side is NOT IMMUNE from wackos living amongst their midst, heinous and grisly crime as well as all manner of assorted kids getting involved with the “wrong influences.”

[quote=CDMA ENG]. . . I know you love your home and can feel your conviction for it but this area has problems. Most do. Just not the kind I want my kids to deal with

But I would not raise my childern on “The Hill” in a school or district that has the neigbhorhood’s next future hood rats.

I grew up fighting with the State Street Boys, Pinoy Boys, Bloods, Little Latin Locos, and 28th Street instead of paying attention to schooling (I grew up in schools were kids became Crips so at least I didn’t have to fight with them).

That is just not the area I would raise my kid in. May be out towards Eastlake but not anywhere near that stuff in old CV. And eventually that shit will spill over into the newer neighborhoods of CV. . .[/quote]

CE, If you choose to live your life “afraid” and teach your kids to be “afraid,” that is your business.

My understanding from your former posts is that you are renting a house in UC. UC is well-established, like the older sections of Chula Vista. That’s why I think it is a nice place to live in an SFR, many situated on larger than std lots. There are two major differences between UC and older Chula Vista. The first is that UC is in closer proximity to more high-tech jobs. The second is that older Chula Vista has many homes built on raised “pier and post” foundations and many luxury homes on 1/2 AC to 4 AC lots. Many of these luxury homes are 3000+ sf single-story, CE. There are also many beautiful historical homes registered with the Mills Act (tax abatement program) in Chula Vista. UC does not have any of this.

I don’t know where you grew up but it doesn’t at all sound like a comparison to Chula Vista.

And no, I don’t work for the Chula Vista Chamber of Commerce and I have never been “emotionally attached” to properties I have owned. I’ve owned several properties in San Diego County and my current property will not be my last. It was purchased in a specific location for a specific purpose and when that purpose is gone, so am I. But for the time being, it is spacious, with a large backyard, situated in a very picturesque, entirely walkable ‘hood on all bus lines, etc.

“Eastlake,” on the other hand, is rife with brown, treeless tiny front yards, foreclosures, peeling paint (that was heavily watered down when it was originally applied by the developer 20-25 yrs ago), tiny driveways leading to overfilled garages (often to the point where the garage door won’t completely close), and vehicles parked everywhere, etc. ESPECIALLY Eastlake Shores. And the “commute time” from there to the I-805 in the mornings can take up to 35 mins. OR you can pay $44 mo (each way) to use the SR-125 “toll road.” Take your pick, CE.

Eastlake Shores is 8.5 miles from me. If you drove 8.5 to 12 miles from your residence in UC, might you end up someplace you “wouldn’t want to live in??” Well, for me, driving 8.5 to 12 miles south and southeast lands me in … Chula Vista (albeit 2-3 zip codes over)!!

Apples to apples here, CE.

Can I just ask your opinion on “gentrification,” CE?? I don’t know how old you are but at what age would you say that neighborhoods will be what they are (stable) and will not “change” anymore. In other words, if your ‘hood in UC is 45 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If my ‘hood is 65 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If La Playa (SD) is 75 years old, do you think there is room for decline there? Just wondering . . .

When, in the lifetime of a “neighborhood,” is it most vulnerable to decline?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CDMA ENG]And you think that because the document is 11 years old that all of that has since been cleared up?

. . . but they are there and like you said it the article is 11 years old so who knows who “owns” CV now.

That area IS Chula Vista. CVPD reports this activity IN ITS AREA. Key words there…[/quote]

For the most part, yes.

CE, you need to change the stmt in the article to past tense, that is, to “. . . WAS in its area in 2000.” I was here in 2000, as well, and didn’t see any meth mfg/sales going on OR biker gangs.

And I want to know why the SD Division of the DEA/NTF moved from its longtime HQ in National City to none other than “Carlsbad,” lol. Was this just a “space-issue” decision? They had plenty of “space” in National City. Don’t you think they would want to be closest to their “daily activities?”

CE, I have a very l-o-o-o-ong memory as I am a longtime former justice-system employee here in SD county. I could tick off grisly murders, rapes, arson, shooting sprees, a mass suicide, meth-lab busts, kidnappings, SWAT-team standoffs, etc, but this blog isn’t long enough. I can assure you that this ENTIRE county top to bottom and side to side is NOT IMMUNE from wackos living amongst their midst, heinous and grisly crime as well as all manner of assorted kids getting involved with the “wrong influences.”

[quote=CDMA ENG]. . . I know you love your home and can feel your conviction for it but this area has problems. Most do. Just not the kind I want my kids to deal with

But I would not raise my childern on “The Hill” in a school or district that has the neigbhorhood’s next future hood rats.

I grew up fighting with the State Street Boys, Pinoy Boys, Bloods, Little Latin Locos, and 28th Street instead of paying attention to schooling (I grew up in schools were kids became Crips so at least I didn’t have to fight with them).

That is just not the area I would raise my kid in. May be out towards Eastlake but not anywhere near that stuff in old CV. And eventually that shit will spill over into the newer neighborhoods of CV. . .[/quote]

CE, If you choose to live your life “afraid” and teach your kids to be “afraid,” that is your business.

My understanding from your former posts is that you are renting a house in UC. UC is well-established, like the older sections of Chula Vista. That’s why I think it is a nice place to live in an SFR, many situated on larger than std lots. There are two major differences between UC and older Chula Vista. The first is that UC is in closer proximity to more high-tech jobs. The second is that older Chula Vista has many homes built on raised “pier and post” foundations and many luxury homes on 1/2 AC to 4 AC lots. Many of these luxury homes are 3000+ sf single-story, CE. There are also many beautiful historical homes registered with the Mills Act (tax abatement program) in Chula Vista. UC does not have any of this.

I don’t know where you grew up but it doesn’t at all sound like a comparison to Chula Vista.

And no, I don’t work for the Chula Vista Chamber of Commerce and I have never been “emotionally attached” to properties I have owned. I’ve owned several properties in San Diego County and my current property will not be my last. It was purchased in a specific location for a specific purpose and when that purpose is gone, so am I. But for the time being, it is spacious, with a large backyard, situated in a very picturesque, entirely walkable ‘hood on all bus lines, etc.

“Eastlake,” on the other hand, is rife with brown, treeless tiny front yards, foreclosures, peeling paint (that was heavily watered down when it was originally applied by the developer 20-25 yrs ago), tiny driveways leading to overfilled garages (often to the point where the garage door won’t completely close), and vehicles parked everywhere, etc. ESPECIALLY Eastlake Shores. And the “commute time” from there to the I-805 in the mornings can take up to 35 mins. OR you can pay $44 mo (each way) to use the SR-125 “toll road.” Take your pick, CE.

Eastlake Shores is 8.5 miles from me. If you drove 8.5 to 12 miles from your residence in UC, might you end up someplace you “wouldn’t want to live in??” Well, for me, driving 8.5 to 12 miles south and southeast lands me in … Chula Vista (albeit 2-3 zip codes over)!!

Apples to apples here, CE.

Can I just ask your opinion on “gentrification,” CE?? I don’t know how old you are but at what age would you say that neighborhoods will be what they are (stable) and will not “change” anymore. In other words, if your ‘hood in UC is 45 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If my ‘hood is 65 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If La Playa (SD) is 75 years old, do you think there is room for decline there? Just wondering . . .

When, in the lifetime of a “neighborhood,” is it most vulnerable to decline?

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[quote=CDMA ENG]And you think that because the document is 11 years old that all of that has since been cleared up?

. . . but they are there and like you said it the article is 11 years old so who knows who “owns” CV now.

That area IS Chula Vista. CVPD reports this activity IN ITS AREA. Key words there…[/quote]

For the most part, yes.

CE, you need to change the stmt in the article to past tense, that is, to “. . . WAS in its area in 2000.” I was here in 2000, as well, and didn’t see any meth mfg/sales going on OR biker gangs.

And I want to know why the SD Division of the DEA/NTF moved from its longtime HQ in National City to none other than “Carlsbad,” lol. Was this just a “space-issue” decision? They had plenty of “space” in National City. Don’t you think they would want to be closest to their “daily activities?”

CE, I have a very l-o-o-o-ong memory as I am a longtime former justice-system employee here in SD county. I could tick off grisly murders, rapes, arson, shooting sprees, a mass suicide, meth-lab busts, kidnappings, SWAT-team standoffs, etc, but this blog isn’t long enough. I can assure you that this ENTIRE county top to bottom and side to side is NOT IMMUNE from wackos living amongst their midst, heinous and grisly crime as well as all manner of assorted kids getting involved with the “wrong influences.”

[quote=CDMA ENG]. . . I know you love your home and can feel your conviction for it but this area has problems. Most do. Just not the kind I want my kids to deal with

But I would not raise my childern on “The Hill” in a school or district that has the neigbhorhood’s next future hood rats.

I grew up fighting with the State Street Boys, Pinoy Boys, Bloods, Little Latin Locos, and 28th Street instead of paying attention to schooling (I grew up in schools were kids became Crips so at least I didn’t have to fight with them).

That is just not the area I would raise my kid in. May be out towards Eastlake but not anywhere near that stuff in old CV. And eventually that shit will spill over into the newer neighborhoods of CV. . .[/quote]

CE, If you choose to live your life “afraid” and teach your kids to be “afraid,” that is your business.

My understanding from your former posts is that you are renting a house in UC. UC is well-established, like the older sections of Chula Vista. That’s why I think it is a nice place to live in an SFR, many situated on larger than std lots. There are two major differences between UC and older Chula Vista. The first is that UC is in closer proximity to more high-tech jobs. The second is that older Chula Vista has many homes built on raised “pier and post” foundations and many luxury homes on 1/2 AC to 4 AC lots. Many of these luxury homes are 3000+ sf single-story, CE. There are also many beautiful historical homes registered with the Mills Act (tax abatement program) in Chula Vista. UC does not have any of this.

I don’t know where you grew up but it doesn’t at all sound like a comparison to Chula Vista.

And no, I don’t work for the Chula Vista Chamber of Commerce and I have never been “emotionally attached” to properties I have owned. I’ve owned several properties in San Diego County and my current property will not be my last. It was purchased in a specific location for a specific purpose and when that purpose is gone, so am I. But for the time being, it is spacious, with a large backyard, situated in a very picturesque, entirely walkable ‘hood on all bus lines, etc.

“Eastlake,” on the other hand, is rife with brown, treeless tiny front yards, foreclosures, peeling paint (that was heavily watered down when it was originally applied by the developer 20-25 yrs ago), tiny driveways leading to overfilled garages (often to the point where the garage door won’t completely close), and vehicles parked everywhere, etc. ESPECIALLY Eastlake Shores. And the “commute time” from there to the I-805 in the mornings can take up to 35 mins. OR you can pay $44 mo (each way) to use the SR-125 “toll road.” Take your pick, CE.

Eastlake Shores is 8.5 miles from me. If you drove 8.5 to 12 miles from your residence in UC, might you end up someplace you “wouldn’t want to live in??” Well, for me, driving 8.5 to 12 miles south and southeast lands me in … Chula Vista (albeit 2-3 zip codes over)!!

Apples to apples here, CE.

Can I just ask your opinion on “gentrification,” CE?? I don’t know how old you are but at what age would you say that neighborhoods will be what they are (stable) and will not “change” anymore. In other words, if your ‘hood in UC is 45 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If my ‘hood is 65 years old, do you think it will “decline” more? If La Playa (SD) is 75 years old, do you think there is room for decline there? Just wondering . . .

When, in the lifetime of a “neighborhood,” is it most vulnerable to decline?

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