Ot would we all be safer if everyone were armed?

[faterikcartman]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]

Doh! Missed this one in my haste to respond earlier. Thank you and my apologies as I think I quoted your first quote here.

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[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
Strawman Argument. You don’t get to tell me where I have my CCW. The process is simple.. Reach around the back, one hand going for the wallet and the other going for the hilt of the gun. Tell the gunman you don’t want trouble and that you are getting your wallet to give to him. Take your wallet and throw to him a little off (high or low). As he goes for the wallet(he will be concentrating on the wallet, particularly if it is thrown towards his face), pull your weapon from around your back and fire at him. You want to pull your weapon about 1/2 to 1 second after you throw your wallet to him. You want him looking at the wallet.

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[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
Strawman Argument. You don’t get to tell me where I have my CCW. The process is simple.. Reach around the back, one hand going for the wallet and the other going for the hilt of the gun. Tell the gunman you don’t want trouble and that you are getting your wallet to give to him. Take your wallet and throw to him a little off (high or low). As he goes for the wallet(he will be concentrating on the wallet, particularly if it is thrown towards his face), pull your weapon from around your back and fire at him. You want to pull your weapon about 1/2 to 1 second after you throw your wallet to him. You want him looking at the wallet.

[ucodegen]

[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
Strawman Argument. You don’t get to tell me where I have my CCW. The process is simple.. Reach around the back, one hand going for the wallet and the other going for the hilt of the gun. Tell the gunman you don’t want trouble and that you are getting your wallet to give to him. Take your wallet and throw to him a little off (high or low). As he goes for the wallet(he will be concentrating on the wallet, particularly if it is thrown towards his face), pull your weapon from around your back and fire at him. You want to pull your weapon about 1/2 to 1 second after you throw your wallet to him. You want him looking at the wallet.

[ucodegen]

[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
Strawman Argument. You don’t get to tell me where I have my CCW. The process is simple.. Reach around the back, one hand going for the wallet and the other going for the hilt of the gun. Tell the gunman you don’t want trouble and that you are getting your wallet to give to him. Take your wallet and throw to him a little off (high or low). As he goes for the wallet(he will be concentrating on the wallet, particularly if it is thrown towards his face), pull your weapon from around your back and fire at him. You want to pull your weapon about 1/2 to 1 second after you throw your wallet to him. You want him looking at the wallet.

[ucodegen]

[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
Strawman Argument. You don’t get to tell me where I have my CCW. The process is simple.. Reach around the back, one hand going for the wallet and the other going for the hilt of the gun. Tell the gunman you don’t want trouble and that you are getting your wallet to give to him. Take your wallet and throw to him a little off (high or low). As he goes for the wallet(he will be concentrating on the wallet, particularly if it is thrown towards his face), pull your weapon from around your back and fire at him. You want to pull your weapon about 1/2 to 1 second after you throw your wallet to him. You want him looking at the wallet.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

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