OT: Why do Hispanics and Asians trent heavily to Clinton

[DWCAP]

Wow, a discussion online that doesnt involve mud flinging and discusses race and politics!

My 2 cents…
Clinton:
1)Racism is everywhere, but only villified if it is someone who is white disagreeing with someone who isnt. Otherwise it is just cultural differences.
2)Women have been dreaming about a female prez alot longer than most blacks have about a black prez. They are also more likey to vote. Remember sexism is men keeping women down, not the generalization of a person based on gender. (quietly alot of women will admit that their backing a women because she is women is problematic, but they dont care.)
3) annxiety is high. We remember fondly the 1990’s, when the world didnt hate us and everyone was getting ahead or had a plan to. We want the comfort and security we had back when Clinton was in the White House, and now we can vote for a Clinton again to bring back the good times. Who wants change when the past was so good?

Obama

1)ALOT of the votes for Obama are comeing from the young, under 30 groups. The young have no skin in the game, but little chance to get into the games in the first place. Wages are stagnant, housing unaffordable, jobs are plentiful, but career tracks are longer, with ever longer educations and resumes needed to quialify. Education is more expensive and the best schools harder to get into. Specialization is required earlier and earlier. Some change is a good thing, because they dont have much to loose.
2) Obama brings hope. People who are lead by their emotions (not necessary a bad thing) are insipired by him. He brings a vision of a better tomorrow, instead of a return to a positive past. The details can come later, it is the promise that really matters.
3) either way you go, it is nearly impossible to confuse either with Bush. Change is desired from Bush, and Obama offers MORE change than Clinton.

Why are Asians and hispanics voting the way they are? That is too broad a question. Look to age, economic outlook and gender, with the qualification (see Clinton 1 as an example) of these cultures and you can get an answer that makes alot more sense.

[Duck]

What I find fascinating is that the right wing media including Limbaugh, etc. are so far out of touch they don’t see that the two candidates they hate most (McCain and Hilary) are the ONLY combination of candidates that will make the race close and a possible victory for a Republican. If Hillary gets the nomination you’ll see the independents and a huge amount of male Obama voters go for McCain. Hillary is so polarizing that Limbaugh is probably hoping she gets in. His ratings would soar which he probably already knows.

[Duck]

What I find fascinating is that the right wing media including Limbaugh, etc. are so far out of touch they don’t see that the two candidates they hate most (McCain and Hilary) are the ONLY combination of candidates that will make the race close and a possible victory for a Republican. If Hillary gets the nomination you’ll see the independents and a huge amount of male Obama voters go for McCain. Hillary is so polarizing that Limbaugh is probably hoping she gets in. His ratings would soar which he probably already knows.

[Duck]

What I find fascinating is that the right wing media including Limbaugh, etc. are so far out of touch they don’t see that the two candidates they hate most (McCain and Hilary) are the ONLY combination of candidates that will make the race close and a possible victory for a Republican. If Hillary gets the nomination you’ll see the independents and a huge amount of male Obama voters go for McCain. Hillary is so polarizing that Limbaugh is probably hoping she gets in. His ratings would soar which he probably already knows.

[Duck]

What I find fascinating is that the right wing media including Limbaugh, etc. are so far out of touch they don’t see that the two candidates they hate most (McCain and Hilary) are the ONLY combination of candidates that will make the race close and a possible victory for a Republican. If Hillary gets the nomination you’ll see the independents and a huge amount of male Obama voters go for McCain. Hillary is so polarizing that Limbaugh is probably hoping she gets in. His ratings would soar which he probably already knows.

[Duck]

What I find fascinating is that the right wing media including Limbaugh, etc. are so far out of touch they don’t see that the two candidates they hate most (McCain and Hilary) are the ONLY combination of candidates that will make the race close and a possible victory for a Republican. If Hillary gets the nomination you’ll see the independents and a huge amount of male Obama voters go for McCain. Hillary is so polarizing that Limbaugh is probably hoping she gets in. His ratings would soar which he probably already knows.

[Anonymous]

As of a few weeks ago I enjoyed listening to some of the conservatove talk shows, but now I find myself shaking my head wondering what on earth they are up to. John Mccain is the only hope that Republicans have to win, and it is not a solid one at that. Yet these hosts are clinging to some vague notion that Romney can still win, or worse that a Clinton/Obama win would be better than a Mccain victory for Republicans. I think what we are witnessing is the difference between those who are making a choice solely based on ideology, and others based on pragmatism.

They defend themselves by pointing to their inability to stray from their ‘principals’ but what they are really saying is that you better pass the entire litmus test or else they are going to stay home and not vote. Mccain will lean pro-life, will appoint right leaning judges to the Supreme Court, will court Hispanics by offering a more engaging, less divisive dialogue about immigration and is hawkish on defense. I think he is a little old, and I personally don’t like him that much either, but it’s time we recognized that he is likely – make that certainly – the only hope Republicans have to win this year.

[Anonymous]

As of a few weeks ago I enjoyed listening to some of the conservatove talk shows, but now I find myself shaking my head wondering what on earth they are up to. John Mccain is the only hope that Republicans have to win, and it is not a solid one at that. Yet these hosts are clinging to some vague notion that Romney can still win, or worse that a Clinton/Obama win would be better than a Mccain victory for Republicans. I think what we are witnessing is the difference between those who are making a choice solely based on ideology, and others based on pragmatism.

They defend themselves by pointing to their inability to stray from their ‘principals’ but what they are really saying is that you better pass the entire litmus test or else they are going to stay home and not vote. Mccain will lean pro-life, will appoint right leaning judges to the Supreme Court, will court Hispanics by offering a more engaging, less divisive dialogue about immigration and is hawkish on defense. I think he is a little old, and I personally don’t like him that much either, but it’s time we recognized that he is likely – make that certainly – the only hope Republicans have to win this year.

[Anonymous]

As of a few weeks ago I enjoyed listening to some of the conservatove talk shows, but now I find myself shaking my head wondering what on earth they are up to. John Mccain is the only hope that Republicans have to win, and it is not a solid one at that. Yet these hosts are clinging to some vague notion that Romney can still win, or worse that a Clinton/Obama win would be better than a Mccain victory for Republicans. I think what we are witnessing is the difference between those who are making a choice solely based on ideology, and others based on pragmatism.

They defend themselves by pointing to their inability to stray from their ‘principals’ but what they are really saying is that you better pass the entire litmus test or else they are going to stay home and not vote. Mccain will lean pro-life, will appoint right leaning judges to the Supreme Court, will court Hispanics by offering a more engaging, less divisive dialogue about immigration and is hawkish on defense. I think he is a little old, and I personally don’t like him that much either, but it’s time we recognized that he is likely – make that certainly – the only hope Republicans have to win this year.

[Anonymous]

As of a few weeks ago I enjoyed listening to some of the conservatove talk shows, but now I find myself shaking my head wondering what on earth they are up to. John Mccain is the only hope that Republicans have to win, and it is not a solid one at that. Yet these hosts are clinging to some vague notion that Romney can still win, or worse that a Clinton/Obama win would be better than a Mccain victory for Republicans. I think what we are witnessing is the difference between those who are making a choice solely based on ideology, and others based on pragmatism.

They defend themselves by pointing to their inability to stray from their ‘principals’ but what they are really saying is that you better pass the entire litmus test or else they are going to stay home and not vote. Mccain will lean pro-life, will appoint right leaning judges to the Supreme Court, will court Hispanics by offering a more engaging, less divisive dialogue about immigration and is hawkish on defense. I think he is a little old, and I personally don’t like him that much either, but it’s time we recognized that he is likely – make that certainly – the only hope Republicans have to win this year.

[Anonymous]

As of a few weeks ago I enjoyed listening to some of the conservatove talk shows, but now I find myself shaking my head wondering what on earth they are up to. John Mccain is the only hope that Republicans have to win, and it is not a solid one at that. Yet these hosts are clinging to some vague notion that Romney can still win, or worse that a Clinton/Obama win would be better than a Mccain victory for Republicans. I think what we are witnessing is the difference between those who are making a choice solely based on ideology, and others based on pragmatism.

They defend themselves by pointing to their inability to stray from their ‘principals’ but what they are really saying is that you better pass the entire litmus test or else they are going to stay home and not vote. Mccain will lean pro-life, will appoint right leaning judges to the Supreme Court, will court Hispanics by offering a more engaging, less divisive dialogue about immigration and is hawkish on defense. I think he is a little old, and I personally don’t like him that much either, but it’s time we recognized that he is likely – make that certainly – the only hope Republicans have to win this year.

[Duck]

I think we’re giving the talking heads too much credit if we think their principles are not aligned with their pocketbooks. These guys are so hypocritical it makes my head spin. And the lemmings that listen to their every word? The good news is that apparently they don’t have enough influence in their own party as to effect the outcome of the election. The right wing media basically formed a jihad to try and defeat McCain and their candidate (Romney) is getting trounced despite spending ungodly amounts of his own fortune and facing a guy who is about as uncharismatic as I’ve seen in recent elections.

[Duck]

I think we’re giving the talking heads too much credit if we think their principles are not aligned with their pocketbooks. These guys are so hypocritical it makes my head spin. And the lemmings that listen to their every word? The good news is that apparently they don’t have enough influence in their own party as to effect the outcome of the election. The right wing media basically formed a jihad to try and defeat McCain and their candidate (Romney) is getting trounced despite spending ungodly amounts of his own fortune and facing a guy who is about as uncharismatic as I’ve seen in recent elections.

[Duck]

I think we’re giving the talking heads too much credit if we think their principles are not aligned with their pocketbooks. These guys are so hypocritical it makes my head spin. And the lemmings that listen to their every word? The good news is that apparently they don’t have enough influence in their own party as to effect the outcome of the election. The right wing media basically formed a jihad to try and defeat McCain and their candidate (Romney) is getting trounced despite spending ungodly amounts of his own fortune and facing a guy who is about as uncharismatic as I’ve seen in recent elections.

[Duck]

I think we’re giving the talking heads too much credit if we think their principles are not aligned with their pocketbooks. These guys are so hypocritical it makes my head spin. And the lemmings that listen to their every word? The good news is that apparently they don’t have enough influence in their own party as to effect the outcome of the election. The right wing media basically formed a jihad to try and defeat McCain and their candidate (Romney) is getting trounced despite spending ungodly amounts of his own fortune and facing a guy who is about as uncharismatic as I’ve seen in recent elections.

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