OT: The “Radical” Gay Agenda in California Public Schools

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[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=paramount][quote=Rich Toscano][quote=paramount]
Caution: The following video could be disturbing to those with a conscious/morals.
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Yeah, good thing you’re not homophobic.[/quote]

It just goes to show how far down the rat hole society is when you can’t take a position that:

No form of gender relationship issues of any type should be discussed or even suggested to elementary school children.

Again: ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN!!

Without being labeled a homophobe.

Sick. Really Sick.[/quote]

Nice attempt at misdirection.

You said:

“The following video could be disturbing to those with a conscious/morals.”

…and thus, you equated being gay with lacking morals or “a conscious.”

This was after the histrionics about a radical gay agenda, and saying that you were “sickened,” because a reading assignment mentioned that two women adopted a child.

So yeah, you sure come across as homophobic to me.[/quote]

No probably he meant having kids be aware of homosexuality is immoral.

But that can’t be right because we must teach our children Torah, and so they will learn of homosexualitys existence there…

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount][quote=Rich Toscano]Passing mention of a same-sex couple = “radical gay agenda”[/quote]

Seems innocent and subtle; it’s anything but…

Kids can’t live in a bubble forever, but I want to decide how and when to teach my children about any sexuality (regardless of how subtle the suggestion is….) prior to Jr. High in particular.

Gay Literature is being presented to innocent children in California starting in Kindergarten (ie. Harvey Milk) and 1st grade. I call that Radical.

I call that Social Engineering.

Sadly, this agenda will spread Nationwide.

Private/Charter Schools: Now More than Ever…[/quote]

I’ve yet to figure out what is “radical” in all this. Twenty years ago, maybe. Today, not even a little bit. How is it the least bit harmful? It’s the real world today. It’s not violent. It’s not evil. Why should it be hidden?[/quote]

I’m curious what the gay literature is that is being used. Seriously, give us a title?

What’s the reference to Harvey Milk? In what context to they bring it up?

[Coronita]

[quote=6packscaredy][quote=flu][quote=6packscaredy]i have been called faggot and sissy, way back in the dayearly 70sand im not gay. those dudes got it wrong. i was just kind of weird. there should be education on that in school. just because the kid is kind of weak and odd and dweeby, and way overly intellectual even back then, doesn’t mean he does not want to have sex with girls….[/quote]

You didn’t use the “I can do your homework for you so you don’t fail, Ms. Hotty”, did you?[/quote]

no. too shy.[/quote]

I tried.. with one hot girl… . Of course, being the dork as I was, I was more interested in driving her Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 that her parents bought her instead of taking her out on a date….Doooooh!…Glad I had a chance. That was a fun car…Until she totaled it 3 weeks later…

[paramount]

[quote=6packscaredy]

No probably he meant having kids be aware of homosexuality is immoral.

But that can’t be right because we must teach our children Torah, and so they will learn of homosexualitys existence there…[/quote]

Teaching young children (elem age) in a school about matters regarding hetero/homo relationships is immoral, period. The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?

Torah? Well, it can’t be any worse than the Mark Swift Manifesto so many here obviously worship.

[SK in CV]

[quote=paramount][quote=6packscaredy]

No probably he meant having kids be aware of homosexuality is immoral.

But that can’t be right because we must teach our children Torah, and so they will learn of homosexualitys existence there…[/quote]

Teaching young children (elem age) in a school about ANY matter regarding hetero/homo relationships is immoral, period. The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?

Torah? Well, it can’t be any worse than the Mark Swift Manifesto so many here obviously worship.[/quote]

Can you describe what was taught regarding relationships? All you’ve actually described is that a gay couple adopted a child. Exactly what harm can be done by that?

[Coronita]

I let my kids watch Spongebob Square Pants. I think that is more detrimental to my kids education or lack there of than anything else. My bad….

But in all seriousness, What grade and exactly what was in the text? I’m curious.

[scaredyclassic]

the Torah appears to discourage homosexuality. on the other hand, it does alert its readers to its existence. and i doubt anyone ever argues the Torah is unsuitable for children.

of course, interpreting Torah is a tricky business.

have I recommended THE TALMUD AND THE INTERNET a very selnder but deep volume. about the talmudic tradition and the internet.

man thatw as interesting.

that was an interesting book.

spongebob squarepants is a bsolutely 100% inappropriate for children. i wish my kids hadn’t memorized every epidsode of that plus able to quote simpsons chapter and verse. it’s kind of colored their worldview 1000 times more than nowing of th eexistence of hmosexuality.

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[quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]
It just goes to show how far down the rat hole society is when you can’t take a position that:

No form of gender relationship issues of any type should be discussed or even suggested to elementary school children.

Again: ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN!!

Without being labeled a homophobe.

Sick. Really Sick.[/quote]

So you don’t think mommy and daddy should ever be discussed either?[/quote]

Parent(s) or Guardian(s) works just fine.[/quote]

This is what I was saying earlier… Just say parents… If the readers idea of parents are two “mommies” or “daddies” or a hetro couple then the language does not cause conflict for the child or the parents.

CE

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[quote=Blogstar]I was able to surmise when I was 7 that my dad had banged someone elses wife….[/quote]

Five for me… Though I didnt think about sex. It was just another woman. I saw a cigarette with lipstick on it in the cars ashtray and asked my dad if mom had started smoking. He told me know and that the cigarette should be our little secert. I put it all together around 8. I don’t know who felt more cheated on… My mom or me for my dad making me part of his betrayal.

CE

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[quote=paramount][quote=6packscaredy]

No probably he meant having kids be aware of homosexuality is immoral.

But that can’t be right because we must teach our children Torah, and so they will learn of homosexualitys existence there…[/quote]

Teaching young children (elem age) in a school about matters regarding hetero/homo relationships is immoral, period. The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?

Torah? Well, it can’t be any worse than the Mark Swift Manifesto so many here obviously worship.[/quote]

Ok… So this is the language that gets you in trouble.

Teaching young children (elem age) in a school about matters regarding hetero/homo relationships is immoral, period.

I would accept wrong… inapporpaite… but the use of the word immoral… This is where you lose my support on the subject. Immoral is a very judgemental position.

Very hard to defend yourself against that verbiage.

Also that video is pretty laughable… Very sophmoric… Reminds me of Tea Party type ads against Obama… Not something I would introduce into evidence. Way to polarizing…

“Won’t anyone think of the childern!” Mrs. Flanders

I know where our educators are coming from on this. They are trying to introduce our childern to a “wider world” but that is still not thier charter.

CE

[CA renter]

[quote=livinincali][quote=CA renter]
Because the PRIVATE publishing and education companies make billions of dollars every year from changes to the curriculum. You didn’t actually think the almost yearly curriculum/textbook changes were “for the children,” did you?

Those “education experts” you’re talking about? They work for PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It’s a very lucrative business.

Of course, the uninformed yokels will try to blame these changes and the agenda-driven curriculum on the teachers and those “evil unions,” as they always do whenever something goes wrong in the public sector (and they are wrong almost 100% of the time).
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Who makes the decision to contract/hire said private corporations? Somebody within public sector does make that decision. Whether private companies lobbied them or not the blame lies on the decision making individuals within the public sector.[/quote]

The people making those decisions are almost always elected or appointed politicians and their chosen administrators. In case you haven’t noticed, most of them are bought/owned by corporations. Unions/teachers have far less to do with this than corporations, special interest groups, think tanks, etc. — people who work outside of government. I just want to make that very clear.

People like to demonize “the government” and rank-and-file union workers as though they are one and the same. They are not. Most union members totally disagree with the way the government spends/wastes money.

[CA renter]

[quote=6packscaredy]the stuff from other kids is going to be way worse than whatever comes from school.

i still vividly remember an afternoon looking at Playboy magazines with Dario, the much older Super’s son in a hidden cove in our apt building, with other boys, and some very raunchy talk. it was so thrilling. i twas perhaps one of th emsot intense moments of my life. i think i was 7? maybe 9?[/quote]

Exactly. I thought the video of the kids discussing the legalization of gay marriage was awesome. They were having an open, honest, intelligent dialogue about civil rights, the boundaries of law, social acceptance and peer influence, etc. The discussion was led and guided by the teacher in a very thoughtful, kind way. That was impressive, not scary.

Now, if they had been having that same conversation out on the playground, I’m willing to bet that it would not have been as civil and thoughtful as the discussion in class. The bullies and thugs on the playground would have taken over the conversation, and any kids who might be dealing with issues of sexuality would quickly learn that they need to keep their thoughts and feelings to themselves or else subject themselves to cruel and possibly dangerous teasing and threats.

These topics WILL come up at school. The question is whether we want the teachers to lead them in a kind, thoughtful way; or if we should leave it up to the bullies (or those who have truly been exposed to far too much at a young age, and in a bad way) who will lead the discussion in a hateful, threatening way.

Paramount, put yourself into the shoes of someone else for a moment, and try to think about what it would be like if you were truly gay. Can you imagine what it would be like to have a parent who so strongly disapproves of being gay…enough to disown their kid and never speak to him/her again? How about if you knew that there was a concerted effort to ban discussions of sexual orientation in school? If you really love your kid(s), you will want them to feel accepted and loved no matter what their sexual orientation is. How can that be wrong?

[Rich Toscano]

I can’t believe I’m still wasting my time on this, but…

[quote=paramount]
Teaching young children (elem age) in a school about matters regarding hetero/homo relationships is immoral, period. [/quote]

Now you are back to complaining about teaching kids about “relationships” in general, but I don’t see any cheesy, melodramatic videos about the radical agenda to teach kids about heterosexual relationships.

Let me spell it out very clearly, yet again. My issue with your posts isn’t about what should or should not be taught by children. My issue is that (despite your weak protestations to the contrary) you very obviously have a problem with gay people. And I have a problem with that.

[quote=paramount]
The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?
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Ha! This has my vote for the best pigg comment of the year…

[spdrun]

Paramount… Come on, it’s a hell of a jump from “consenting adults of the same gender sometimes get married” to condoning child abuse.

If you’re going to argue, don’t weaken your position with irrational arguments like that.

[NotCranky]

It may be natural for humans to consider that homosexuality may get out of control which could be bad for society some anthropological basis. But there is no need for paranoia at this point.

Try reading this , Paramount…or , maybe anthropology is the work of the devil?

http://www.fed.cuhk.edu.hk/%7Elchang/material/Evolutionary/evo%20homosexual%20review.pdf

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