OT: The “Radical” Gay Agenda in California Public Schools

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=CA renter]Why is rape not classified as a hate crime?[/quote]

The hate crime concept came about in the 1980s. By that time the feminism movement had gotten weaker whereas Blacks, other minorities, and gays groups had grown stronger.

Lesbian women and minority women already have hate crime laws so it’s not so much their issue. Plus they have other political battles to fight.

Straight white women have to live with men so they are likely influenced by their more conservative male figures (White men are more conservative).

As a woman, feel free to work to advance women’s issues. Perhaps you could get lesbians and minority women to join your cause in broadening the definition.

[FlyerInHi]

What about “mommy went shopping which her girlfriend”. Or “daddy went shopping with his boyfriend”?

Btw my straight female friends go out with their girlfriends all the time. I’ve not yet heard of straight male friends doing things with their boyfriends.

Actually, “Jennifer has two mommies” sounds pretty value neutral to me.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]What about “mommy went shopping which her girlfriend”. Or “daddy went shopping with his boyfriend”?

Btw my straight female friends go out with their girlfriends all the time. I’ve not yet heard of straight male friends doing things with their boyfriends.

Actually, “Jennifer has two mommies” sounds pretty value neutral to me.[/quote]

Can you be any less of a troll? You’re not the first gay man on this forum. Good for you.

Brian, what do you think of the morality of continuing to post here, even though Rich banned you? Doesn’t that make you immoral?

[ctr70]

I find it amazing that a lot of conservatives get their panties all in a bunch about a gay reference in a textbook, yet they fight against new laws for gun buyers to get basic background checks before being able to buy a weapon they can kill people with. What a freaking joke. There are just so many mental midgets on the far right it is scary. Backward, brain dead schmucks. No wonder they keep getting crushed in presidential elections. And I’m saying this as a guy who leans to right on many fiscal issues.

[Hobie]

[quote=6packscaredy] then send kids home with hours of homework to cover up their own failure to get anything done in school.[/quote]

Huge amount of truth this statement. Nice.

[FlyerInHi]

No soy Brian, Pablo.

Derechos para gays se incrementan a los derechos de todas las familias, no está mal para las familias.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]No soy Brian, Pablo.

Derechos para gays se incrementan a los derechos de todas las familias, no está mal para las familias.[/quote]

Reported as spam.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=livinincali][quote=6packscaredy]
if we taught nothing but mathematics all day long, it would still not be “valueneutral”. im not sure exactly what value that would be expressing, but im pretty sure it would be some technocratic nightmore and it’s not neutral.
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The fundamentals of reading are “valueneutral”.

“The cat is sleeping.”

Has no moral value behind it. It’s just a simple statement. If the cat is sleeping it’s a fact, if the cat is not sleeping then it is a lie, but it doesn’t impose some sort of cultural view. Does the selection of cat versus dog create some sort of underlying “value”.

1 + 1 = 2 no matter what, unless you’re economist searching for a free lunch.[/quote]

Cats are a highly divisive subject.

Cats on the one hand are beloved housepets, and the darlings of people who purport to love animals.

But on the other hand, cats kill millions of songbirds every year, and are hated by birders and others who love truer, undomesticated animals, and the wildness and wilderness they represent.

Cats are not really animals, in the sense that theya re merely extensions of our own needs, desires and thoughts. You will never see a neurotic animal in the wild, but you have plenty of neurotic dogs and cats because we burden them with our insane, unreasonable fantasies.

. To focus on “cats” in a reading excerpt is to implicitly value domesticated animals, and also, humns versus wildness…that is because domesticated animals are animals that reflect human nature, as developped through thousands of years of cat.human interactions in the domestication process, as opposed to wild animals. The cat is in a sense about humans subjugating nature, for our own needs. This has religious overtones which many of us find objectionable.

This tension concerning housecats and how hated they are by birders has been discussed at length in the bestselling novel FREEDOM, by Jonathan Franzen. This book is, by the way, amazing.

If I were someone who valued birds, birding, and wild animals, I would be deeply offended by the glorification of housecats by specifically mentioning them in the reading excerpt, as opposed to other animals with an actual wild nature .

Also keep in mind that deforestation and meat production of an enormous order to support the “companion ” animals of the west. Cats have a large carbon footprint. i think its quite a stretch to say that cats and dogs eating their way through the forests of the amazon is a value neutral subject.

i would dare you to try again, but I would prefer that you just submit to my assertion that there is no value.neutral subject.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Hobie][quote=6packscaredy] then send kids home with hours of homework to cover up their own failure to get anything done in school.[/quote]

Huge amount of truth this statement. Nice.[/quote]

in the teacher’s defense, it can be very difficult to actually teach anything concrete to these little monkeys…by calling children “monkeys”, we are devaluing of course the type of intelligence shown by animals, and glorifying the type of intelligence that is uniquely human …

here’s a bit of an interview with franzen on cats and birds…

Q. Is Freedom an activist book? Do you hope that readers will come away with more of an appreciation for the natural world after reading it?

A. In general, I try not to do overt advocacy with my writing. If it’s a byproduct, and people become aware of an issue because it’s part of the story I’m telling, that’s great. But it’s not the primary motive.

The one small part of the book that had an actual activist motive was the very end, where we’re introduced to a predatory housecat that’s running outside and killing songbirds by the scores. When it occurred to me that I could end the book with the main character Walter’s problems with this cat, I realized that I could also perform an educational service. Most people aren’t aware of the degree to which free-roaming outdoor cats are a problem in this country. At least a million birds a day are killed by them, so we’re talking about a minimum of 365 million birds in America alone in the course of a year — perhaps as many as a billion. So there was an educational impulse there.

Q. I found your “My Bird Problem” essay in The New Yorker to be moving and persuasive. I finished it and thought, “Man, I need to go scout some birds!” Walter’s a birder, but his relationship to birds isn’t attractive in the way that your own birding stories are. Do your activist motives play out in your nonfiction more than in your fiction?

A. It’s a tricky thing. As a reader, as soon as I sense that I’m reading a piece of straight-up environmentalist advocacy, I put the piece of writing down. I feel like I’m already the converted, so don’t try to convert me. Tell me something interesting.

Even in nonfiction, I don’t want to take a purely advocating stance. I’m trying to complicate things. “My Bird Problem” is an essay about how I went from a general pissed-off concern about the environment to a very specific, positive passion for birds, which are part of the environment. Of course, it was also an opportunity to bring along readers who might not have thought about birds so much before. That’s a real and potentially useful secondary effect. But my primary responsibility to the reader is to say, “Look, this stuff is complicated — trust me, I’m not here to beat you over the head.”

the complete interview:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/dec/06/jonathan-franzen-activism-overpopulation-birds

[scaredyclassic]

dont get me started on freaking dogs.

[paramount]

Latest great video on the subject:

http://youtu.be/lhEGyV7kpv4

[Rich Toscano]

Even though this thread is lame and offensive, I have to admit that I’m glad you resuscitated it, because it gives everyone a chance to enjoy once again the best pigg comment of ALL TIME:

[quote=paramount]
The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?
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HAHAHAHAHA! Good times, good times…

[scaredyclassic]

It’s nambla not nmbla. North American man-boy love association.

[Rich Toscano]

Spelling isn’t paramount’s strong suit… but it’s the thought that counts.

[paramount]

[quote=scaredyclassic]It’s nambla not nmbla. North American man-boy love association.[/quote]

I just knew someone on the board would have the correct acronym.

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