OT – The Dream Act

[Anonymous]

[quote=Eugene]
There’s no advantage to staying undocumented. You have to find ways to beat E-Verify, you have to hide from the cops, your chances of getting a good job get progressively slimmer as you move up the food chain…

On the other hand, I wouldn’t mind allowing said illegals to pay in-state rates for college tuition, as long as they qualify for college admissions on general grounds (this was, I believe, taken out of the bill over GOP objections). That is already the case in California, because crafty state attorneys made that happen; but it’s not the case everywhere. Any student intelligent enough to pass admission tests should be able to get college education, regardless of his/her legal status.[/quote]

Are you serious about hiding from cops? Police are virtually powerless in regards to illegal immigrants. Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported. Even then they are not typicall deported.

Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? Meanwhile, law abiding citizens from outside of California have to pay a fortune to attend a UC school. Why should illegal non-citizens get a huge break?

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone]
Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax…[/quote]

Not sure why you think this. Both with regards to the definition of illegal and that the undocumented pay no state or federal income tax.
Neither is innacurate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone]
Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax…[/quote]

Not sure why you think this. Both with regards to the definition of illegal and that the undocumented pay no state or federal income tax.
Neither is innacurate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone]
Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax…[/quote]

Not sure why you think this. Both with regards to the definition of illegal and that the undocumented pay no state or federal income tax.
Neither is innacurate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone]
Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax…[/quote]

Not sure why you think this. Both with regards to the definition of illegal and that the undocumented pay no state or federal income tax.
Neither is innacurate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone]
Regarding in-state tuition, I am strongly against that. Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax…[/quote]

Not sure why you think this. Both with regards to the definition of illegal and that the undocumented pay no state or federal income tax.
Neither is innacurate.

[Eugene]

[quote]I would exepect that they would be required to go through an interview process at a US consulate in Mexico (or whatever country). THis would require them to return to their country at some point.[/quote]

So, they’ll return to their country for the interview. What’s the problem? The U.S. government has no knowledge of the fact that they were really here all this time. Unless they are caught:

[quote]Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported.[/quote]

Lots of people do end up deported. And being deported is really bad for immigration prospects.

[quote]Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? [/quote]

Strictly speaking, none of the kids in the universities pay state or federal income tax, do they? They have zero income. The idea that we assist with for their tuition and they repay from their future taxes. Which they’ll pay if they are legalized.

As for their parents, most lower-income people don’t pay any income taxes anyway. Everyone regardless of legal status pays payroll, sales and property taxes.

[Eugene]

[quote]I would exepect that they would be required to go through an interview process at a US consulate in Mexico (or whatever country). THis would require them to return to their country at some point.[/quote]

So, they’ll return to their country for the interview. What’s the problem? The U.S. government has no knowledge of the fact that they were really here all this time. Unless they are caught:

[quote]Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported.[/quote]

Lots of people do end up deported. And being deported is really bad for immigration prospects.

[quote]Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? [/quote]

Strictly speaking, none of the kids in the universities pay state or federal income tax, do they? They have zero income. The idea that we assist with for their tuition and they repay from their future taxes. Which they’ll pay if they are legalized.

As for their parents, most lower-income people don’t pay any income taxes anyway. Everyone regardless of legal status pays payroll, sales and property taxes.

[Eugene]

[quote]I would exepect that they would be required to go through an interview process at a US consulate in Mexico (or whatever country). THis would require them to return to their country at some point.[/quote]

So, they’ll return to their country for the interview. What’s the problem? The U.S. government has no knowledge of the fact that they were really here all this time. Unless they are caught:

[quote]Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported.[/quote]

Lots of people do end up deported. And being deported is really bad for immigration prospects.

[quote]Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? [/quote]

Strictly speaking, none of the kids in the universities pay state or federal income tax, do they? They have zero income. The idea that we assist with for their tuition and they repay from their future taxes. Which they’ll pay if they are legalized.

As for their parents, most lower-income people don’t pay any income taxes anyway. Everyone regardless of legal status pays payroll, sales and property taxes.

[Eugene]

[quote]I would exepect that they would be required to go through an interview process at a US consulate in Mexico (or whatever country). THis would require them to return to their country at some point.[/quote]

So, they’ll return to their country for the interview. What’s the problem? The U.S. government has no knowledge of the fact that they were really here all this time. Unless they are caught:

[quote]Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported.[/quote]

Lots of people do end up deported. And being deported is really bad for immigration prospects.

[quote]Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? [/quote]

Strictly speaking, none of the kids in the universities pay state or federal income tax, do they? They have zero income. The idea that we assist with for their tuition and they repay from their future taxes. Which they’ll pay if they are legalized.

As for their parents, most lower-income people don’t pay any income taxes anyway. Everyone regardless of legal status pays payroll, sales and property taxes.

[Eugene]

[quote]I would exepect that they would be required to go through an interview process at a US consulate in Mexico (or whatever country). THis would require them to return to their country at some point.[/quote]

So, they’ll return to their country for the interview. What’s the problem? The U.S. government has no knowledge of the fact that they were really here all this time. Unless they are caught:

[quote]Unless they are pulled over for a serious crime, there is no chance they will be deoported.[/quote]

Lots of people do end up deported. And being deported is really bad for immigration prospects.

[quote]Illegals by definition do not pay state or federal income tax, why should they get a break on in-state tuition at a publicly funded university? [/quote]

Strictly speaking, none of the kids in the universities pay state or federal income tax, do they? They have zero income. The idea that we assist with for their tuition and they repay from their future taxes. Which they’ll pay if they are legalized.

As for their parents, most lower-income people don’t pay any income taxes anyway. Everyone regardless of legal status pays payroll, sales and property taxes.

[Anonymous]

Well if you are realistic lower income people are not generally attending universities anyway especially not top tier schools like UC, unless they are provided assistance which is usually tax payer supported in one way or another.

[Anonymous]

Well if you are realistic lower income people are not generally attending universities anyway especially not top tier schools like UC, unless they are provided assistance which is usually tax payer supported in one way or another.

[Anonymous]

Well if you are realistic lower income people are not generally attending universities anyway especially not top tier schools like UC, unless they are provided assistance which is usually tax payer supported in one way or another.

[Anonymous]

Well if you are realistic lower income people are not generally attending universities anyway especially not top tier schools like UC, unless they are provided assistance which is usually tax payer supported in one way or another.

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