OT – The Dream Act

[briansd1]

ocrenter, it seems to me like Romney is being much more of a political opportunist.

Whereas Obama’s position has been fairly consistent on the Dream Act, Romney is flip flopping.

Without gaining an increasing portion of the Latino vote, Republicans will forever be denied the White House.

Demographics is destiny. You either embrace change gracefully; or you will be forced to accept it kicking and screaming.

Romney calls for loosening some immigration restrictions, but opposes Obama action on deportations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/speech-to-latino-leaders-could-be-pivotal-for-romney–and-gop/2012/06/21/gJQATmNIsV_story.html?hpid=z1

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]ocrenter, it seems to me like Romney is being much more of a political opportunist.

Whereas Obama’s position has been fairly consistent on the Dream Act, Romney is flip flopping.

Without gaining an increasing portion of the Latino vote, Republicans will forever be denied the White House.

Demographics is destiny. You either embrace change gracefully; or you will be forced to accept it kicking and screaming.

Romney calls for loosening some immigration restrictions, but opposes Obama action on deportations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/speech-to-latino-leaders-could-be-pivotal-for-romney–and-gop/2012/06/21/gJQATmNIsV_story.html?hpid=z1

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I’m going to have to go with Brian on this one. If this was supposed to be opportunistic on Obama’s part, then it was clearly a mis-step.

Sean Trende at RCP has an even-handed analysis of the Obama decision and its impact on voting: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/06/19/obamas_puzzling_immigration_decision_114531.html

[Essbee]

[quote=bearishgurl] In addition, I think she would have returned to the Phillipines to work after she couldn’t get her visa renewed but for her minor son.[/quote]

Why didn’t she just take her son with her, back to the Philippines?

[paramount]

[quote=briansd1]
Without gaining an increasing portion of the Latino vote, Republicans will forever be denied the White House.

[/quote]

That won’t be hard to do, just put Rubio on the ticket.

[no_such_reality]

All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps

[briansd1]

[quote=paramount]

That won’t be hard to do, just put Rubio on the ticket.[/quote]

Putting Rubio on the ticket is a good longer term strategy. But for the November elections, that will piss-off working-class, non-college educated whites and affect their turnout.

[briansd1]

[quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

You got it wrong nsr. The Dream Act does not affect those already in line in any way.

It opens up a new line for young kids whose parents brought here and who grew up as Americans. The Dream Act is a win-win all around.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1]ocrenter, it seems to me like Romney is being much more of a political opportunist.

Whereas Obama’s position has been fairly consistent on the Dream Act, Romney is flip flopping.

Without gaining an increasing portion of the Latino vote, Republicans will forever be denied the White House.

Demographics is destiny. You either embrace change gracefully; or you will be forced to accept it kicking and screaming.

Romney calls for loosening some immigration restrictions, but opposes Obama action on deportations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/speech-to-latino-leaders-could-be-pivotal-for-romney–and-gop/2012/06/21/gJQATmNIsV_story.html?hpid=z1

[/quote]

I’m going to have to go with Brian on this one. If this was supposed to be opportunistic on Obama’s part, then it was clearly a mis-step.

Sean Trende at RCP has an even-handed analysis of the Obama decision and its impact on voting: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/06/19/obamas_puzzling_immigration_decision_114531.html%5B/quote%5D

Problem with Obama this time around is the democratic base is rather lukewarm because Obama has been more of a moderate than a true liberal. So he needed something to rally the troop to improve turnout.

[ocrenter]

[quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?[/quote]

What we have today is the result of Reagan’s FAILED amnesty. It brought more illegals in waiting for just this move.

For every fluff piece the LA Times writes highlighting an illegal that has done well, how many haven’t? How many went to jail? How many were burdens on our health care system? How many fester in sweat shops? How many flood our schools?

Kick them all out, then welcome the Americanos back. Until you kick them all out, we are just going to increase the problem. The price of every kid like Ana being welcomed is the price of her remaining illegal family members (Mom now appears legal) leaving until they come back LEGALLY.

In the mean time, we need to make it massively EASIER for people without criminal and terrorist backgrounds, good education and work ethic to come. Illegal immigration is like a basket of apples. For every shiny apple liek Ana in the story, how much rot is underneath?

We need to make it easier to come and work without skills and leave and come back. Legally without legal citizen rights as part of a work program that puts the burden for funding, health care etc on the employers.

We need maximum enforcement on illegal labor EMPLOYERs. When the CEOs and OWNERs start going to jail, the demand for the illegal labor will go away. No jobs, no new people coming. No expectation that they can just stay, no new people coming.

All this move does is pander to the latino vote and encourage more people to come and be abused for 20 years while they wait for a political pandering moment.

So yes, OCR, we need to be really harsh, because until we are, we just create more of the problem by setting the expectation that we’ll just accept it later.

And maybe we can add that $130,000 price tag for her 13 years of education to the price of staying.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=briansd1][quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

You got it wrong nsr. The Dream Act does not affect those already in line in any way.

It opens up a new line for young kids whose parents brought here and who grew up as Americans. The Dream Act is a win-win all around.[/quote]

Duh Brian, the people waiting in line have been waiting a long time. They should have just sneaked in, sent their kids to our schools and now their kids would be welcome (if they turned out okay.)

No need to be, or have been waiting.

[briansd1]

[quote=no_such_reality]

Duh Brian, the people waiting in line have been waiting a long time. [/quote]

The path one chooses is of one’s own choosing. No need to get upset, feel bad or jealous when opportunities open up for other people.

If you get in line and know that it’s 10 years, that 10 years does not change even if a new line opens up for people in other circumstances. In fact, you should feel happy for, rather than resentful of people who are given a break — in this case, innocents kids who were brought here by their parents.

Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve… You can’t change the past. And the past shouldn’t affect the present or the future. We need to move forward, not look back.

[ocrenter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=ocrenter][quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?[/quote]

What we have today is the result of Reagan’s FAILED amnesty. It brought more illegals in waiting for just this move.

For every fluff piece the LA Times writes highlighting an illegal that has done well, how many haven’t? How many went to jail? How many were burdens on our health care system? How many fester in sweat shops? How many flood our schools?

Kick them all out, then welcome the Americanos back. Until you kick them all out, we are just going to increase the problem. The price of every kid like Ana being welcomed is the price of her remaining illegal family members (Mom now appears legal) leaving until they come back LEGALLY.

In the mean time, we need to make it massively EASIER for people without criminal and terrorist backgrounds, good education and work ethic to come. Illegal immigration is like a basket of apples. For every shiny apple liek Ana in the story, how much rot is underneath?

We need to make it easier to come and work without skills and leave and come back. Legally without legal citizen rights as part of a work program that puts the burden for funding, health care etc on the employers.

We need maximum enforcement on illegal labor EMPLOYERs. When the CEOs and OWNERs start going to jail, the demand for the illegal labor will go away. No jobs, no new people coming. No expectation that they can just stay, no new people coming.

All this move does is pander to the latino vote and encourage more people to come and be abused for 20 years while they wait for a political pandering moment.

So yes, OCR, we need to be really harsh, because until we are, we just create more of the problem by setting the expectation that we’ll just accept it later.

And maybe we can add that $130,000 price tag for her 13 years of education to the price of staying.[/quote]

Good thing you weren’t in charge 20 years ago when I was in school.

Now I’ve been paying $50k or more in taxes yearly for the last 10 years, still would have rather just deported my ass back in the days?

there’s a whole lot more native borns sucking this country dry. You’ve been listening to talk radio wayyyy too much.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=ocrenter][quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?[/quote]

What we have today is the result of Reagan’s FAILED amnesty. It brought more illegals in waiting for just this move.

For every fluff piece the LA Times writes highlighting an illegal that has done well, how many haven’t? How many went to jail? How many were burdens on our health care system? How many fester in sweat shops? How many flood our schools?

Kick them all out, then welcome the Americanos back. Until you kick them all out, we are just going to increase the problem. The price of every kid like Ana being welcomed is the price of her remaining illegal family members (Mom now appears legal) leaving until they come back LEGALLY.

In the mean time, we need to make it massively EASIER for people without criminal and terrorist backgrounds, good education and work ethic to come. Illegal immigration is like a basket of apples. For every shiny apple liek Ana in the story, how much rot is underneath?

We need to make it easier to come and work without skills and leave and come back. Legally without legal citizen rights as part of a work program that puts the burden for funding, health care etc on the employers.

We need maximum enforcement on illegal labor EMPLOYERs. When the CEOs and OWNERs start going to jail, the demand for the illegal labor will go away. No jobs, no new people coming. No expectation that they can just stay, no new people coming.

All this move does is pander to the latino vote and encourage more people to come and be abused for 20 years while they wait for a political pandering moment.

So yes, OCR, we need to be really harsh, because until we are, we just create more of the problem by setting the expectation that we’ll just accept it later.

And maybe we can add that $130,000 price tag for her 13 years of education to the price of staying.[/quote]

Agree 100% with your entire post, and really support the bolded part.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=no_such_reality]

Duh Brian, the people waiting in line have been waiting a long time. [/quote]

The path one chooses is of one’s own choosing. No need to get upset, feel bad or jealous when opportunities open up for other people.

If you get in line and know that it’s 10 years, that 10 years does not change even if a new line opens up for people in other circumstances. In fact, you should feel happy for, rather than resentful of people who are given a break — in this case, innocents kids who were brought here by their parents.

Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve… You can’t change the past. And the past shouldn’t affect the present or the future. We need to move forward, not look back.[/quote]
Exactly. The path one chooses is of one’s own choosing. If you choose to come in illegally, then own up to the consequences and stop asking for others to feel pity for you.

Hell yeah I’m upset. I get upset when people cut in front of me in any line. I get upset when people cut in front of me when I drive. So, this is no different. Now, if you say, they can stay with a worker or student visa and they can get in the back of the line like everyone else. Then I’d would totally support that.

Don’t give me the BS of it’s not the kids’ fault. I know someone who didn’t get to see her parent for the 1st 10 years of her life because she had to wait in line like everyone else. So, I’m not crying a river for these illegal kids who get to grow up with their parents here, in the USA.

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