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November 1, 2009 at 12:34 PM #477118November 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM #476286scaredyclassicParticipant
re; emotional damage; I wasn’t advocating one side or the other. I was just observing that women sometimes withhold child visitation or extract a price for compliance with visitation from men. Men value that visitation at some particular dollar price. I was just thinking out loud that if the shoe were on the other foot, and men had the power to manipulate the system by withholding visitation, that the price men could extract from women in general would be higher, since I think women in general stereotypically would be more “pained” by even one missed weekend. I don’t know what any of this means, and I’m not saying that people or the system shouldn’t be fair, but whenever you set up a system, people and their lawyers look to game it for maximum advantage. and men and women aren’t on an even keel in terms of the price they would pay for very regular visitation. Look, I love my kids, I raised them solo for several years when it became necessary. i see them every day, have diner every night, and on avg spend more time than the avg dad, i think. But i still don’t feel the physical pain, the yearning, when we are apart for a few days. I just think guys are built that way. Women in general seem to get a little batty on even short separations.
November 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM #476459scaredyclassicParticipantre; emotional damage; I wasn’t advocating one side or the other. I was just observing that women sometimes withhold child visitation or extract a price for compliance with visitation from men. Men value that visitation at some particular dollar price. I was just thinking out loud that if the shoe were on the other foot, and men had the power to manipulate the system by withholding visitation, that the price men could extract from women in general would be higher, since I think women in general stereotypically would be more “pained” by even one missed weekend. I don’t know what any of this means, and I’m not saying that people or the system shouldn’t be fair, but whenever you set up a system, people and their lawyers look to game it for maximum advantage. and men and women aren’t on an even keel in terms of the price they would pay for very regular visitation. Look, I love my kids, I raised them solo for several years when it became necessary. i see them every day, have diner every night, and on avg spend more time than the avg dad, i think. But i still don’t feel the physical pain, the yearning, when we are apart for a few days. I just think guys are built that way. Women in general seem to get a little batty on even short separations.
November 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM #476822scaredyclassicParticipantre; emotional damage; I wasn’t advocating one side or the other. I was just observing that women sometimes withhold child visitation or extract a price for compliance with visitation from men. Men value that visitation at some particular dollar price. I was just thinking out loud that if the shoe were on the other foot, and men had the power to manipulate the system by withholding visitation, that the price men could extract from women in general would be higher, since I think women in general stereotypically would be more “pained” by even one missed weekend. I don’t know what any of this means, and I’m not saying that people or the system shouldn’t be fair, but whenever you set up a system, people and their lawyers look to game it for maximum advantage. and men and women aren’t on an even keel in terms of the price they would pay for very regular visitation. Look, I love my kids, I raised them solo for several years when it became necessary. i see them every day, have diner every night, and on avg spend more time than the avg dad, i think. But i still don’t feel the physical pain, the yearning, when we are apart for a few days. I just think guys are built that way. Women in general seem to get a little batty on even short separations.
November 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM #476899scaredyclassicParticipantre; emotional damage; I wasn’t advocating one side or the other. I was just observing that women sometimes withhold child visitation or extract a price for compliance with visitation from men. Men value that visitation at some particular dollar price. I was just thinking out loud that if the shoe were on the other foot, and men had the power to manipulate the system by withholding visitation, that the price men could extract from women in general would be higher, since I think women in general stereotypically would be more “pained” by even one missed weekend. I don’t know what any of this means, and I’m not saying that people or the system shouldn’t be fair, but whenever you set up a system, people and their lawyers look to game it for maximum advantage. and men and women aren’t on an even keel in terms of the price they would pay for very regular visitation. Look, I love my kids, I raised them solo for several years when it became necessary. i see them every day, have diner every night, and on avg spend more time than the avg dad, i think. But i still don’t feel the physical pain, the yearning, when we are apart for a few days. I just think guys are built that way. Women in general seem to get a little batty on even short separations.
November 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM #477123scaredyclassicParticipantre; emotional damage; I wasn’t advocating one side or the other. I was just observing that women sometimes withhold child visitation or extract a price for compliance with visitation from men. Men value that visitation at some particular dollar price. I was just thinking out loud that if the shoe were on the other foot, and men had the power to manipulate the system by withholding visitation, that the price men could extract from women in general would be higher, since I think women in general stereotypically would be more “pained” by even one missed weekend. I don’t know what any of this means, and I’m not saying that people or the system shouldn’t be fair, but whenever you set up a system, people and their lawyers look to game it for maximum advantage. and men and women aren’t on an even keel in terms of the price they would pay for very regular visitation. Look, I love my kids, I raised them solo for several years when it became necessary. i see them every day, have diner every night, and on avg spend more time than the avg dad, i think. But i still don’t feel the physical pain, the yearning, when we are apart for a few days. I just think guys are built that way. Women in general seem to get a little batty on even short separations.
November 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM #476291NotCrankyParticipant[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]However, you really do seem like a little boy with this topic. Unless of course, you are still just taking your position,foriegn brides and all,for the fun of it.
Have a great day.[/quote]
I’m bored, my flight is delayed and I’m stuck at the airport. I won’t be back to SAN ’til the morning. Kinda sucks.
Yeah, I’m a little boy. I live and think much younger than my age, but with the benefit of experience and better intellect. My peers got chubby and married with children.
I tried to do like everybody else. I had a perfectly amicable divorce because my ex-wife is richer than me (no, I wasn’t a house husband). But I can tell you that I found marriage and life in the suburbs stale and boring. Will never do it again.
I think that my attitude keeps me young. I look at the fun side of life and live fairly stress free.[/quote]
You tried to do like everyone else? You’ve got to be kidding me! With a divorice rate of 50% you are going to try to do like everyone else? Either you were pretty dumb on that one or you didn’t care too much!
BTW 9 years and 3 kids later not a parental pound has been gained. LOL.
Did you ever mention your divorice? I don’t frankly believe that you gave your marriage much chance Peterpan. I hope you miss your plane.
Were there kids involved? LOL.
November 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM #476464NotCrankyParticipant[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]However, you really do seem like a little boy with this topic. Unless of course, you are still just taking your position,foriegn brides and all,for the fun of it.
Have a great day.[/quote]
I’m bored, my flight is delayed and I’m stuck at the airport. I won’t be back to SAN ’til the morning. Kinda sucks.
Yeah, I’m a little boy. I live and think much younger than my age, but with the benefit of experience and better intellect. My peers got chubby and married with children.
I tried to do like everybody else. I had a perfectly amicable divorce because my ex-wife is richer than me (no, I wasn’t a house husband). But I can tell you that I found marriage and life in the suburbs stale and boring. Will never do it again.
I think that my attitude keeps me young. I look at the fun side of life and live fairly stress free.[/quote]
You tried to do like everyone else? You’ve got to be kidding me! With a divorice rate of 50% you are going to try to do like everyone else? Either you were pretty dumb on that one or you didn’t care too much!
BTW 9 years and 3 kids later not a parental pound has been gained. LOL.
Did you ever mention your divorice? I don’t frankly believe that you gave your marriage much chance Peterpan. I hope you miss your plane.
Were there kids involved? LOL.
November 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM #476827NotCrankyParticipant[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]However, you really do seem like a little boy with this topic. Unless of course, you are still just taking your position,foriegn brides and all,for the fun of it.
Have a great day.[/quote]
I’m bored, my flight is delayed and I’m stuck at the airport. I won’t be back to SAN ’til the morning. Kinda sucks.
Yeah, I’m a little boy. I live and think much younger than my age, but with the benefit of experience and better intellect. My peers got chubby and married with children.
I tried to do like everybody else. I had a perfectly amicable divorce because my ex-wife is richer than me (no, I wasn’t a house husband). But I can tell you that I found marriage and life in the suburbs stale and boring. Will never do it again.
I think that my attitude keeps me young. I look at the fun side of life and live fairly stress free.[/quote]
You tried to do like everyone else? You’ve got to be kidding me! With a divorice rate of 50% you are going to try to do like everyone else? Either you were pretty dumb on that one or you didn’t care too much!
BTW 9 years and 3 kids later not a parental pound has been gained. LOL.
Did you ever mention your divorice? I don’t frankly believe that you gave your marriage much chance Peterpan. I hope you miss your plane.
Were there kids involved? LOL.
November 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM #476904NotCrankyParticipant[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]However, you really do seem like a little boy with this topic. Unless of course, you are still just taking your position,foriegn brides and all,for the fun of it.
Have a great day.[/quote]
I’m bored, my flight is delayed and I’m stuck at the airport. I won’t be back to SAN ’til the morning. Kinda sucks.
Yeah, I’m a little boy. I live and think much younger than my age, but with the benefit of experience and better intellect. My peers got chubby and married with children.
I tried to do like everybody else. I had a perfectly amicable divorce because my ex-wife is richer than me (no, I wasn’t a house husband). But I can tell you that I found marriage and life in the suburbs stale and boring. Will never do it again.
I think that my attitude keeps me young. I look at the fun side of life and live fairly stress free.[/quote]
You tried to do like everyone else? You’ve got to be kidding me! With a divorice rate of 50% you are going to try to do like everyone else? Either you were pretty dumb on that one or you didn’t care too much!
BTW 9 years and 3 kids later not a parental pound has been gained. LOL.
Did you ever mention your divorice? I don’t frankly believe that you gave your marriage much chance Peterpan. I hope you miss your plane.
Were there kids involved? LOL.
November 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM #477128NotCrankyParticipant[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]However, you really do seem like a little boy with this topic. Unless of course, you are still just taking your position,foriegn brides and all,for the fun of it.
Have a great day.[/quote]
I’m bored, my flight is delayed and I’m stuck at the airport. I won’t be back to SAN ’til the morning. Kinda sucks.
Yeah, I’m a little boy. I live and think much younger than my age, but with the benefit of experience and better intellect. My peers got chubby and married with children.
I tried to do like everybody else. I had a perfectly amicable divorce because my ex-wife is richer than me (no, I wasn’t a house husband). But I can tell you that I found marriage and life in the suburbs stale and boring. Will never do it again.
I think that my attitude keeps me young. I look at the fun side of life and live fairly stress free.[/quote]
You tried to do like everyone else? You’ve got to be kidding me! With a divorice rate of 50% you are going to try to do like everyone else? Either you were pretty dumb on that one or you didn’t care too much!
BTW 9 years and 3 kids later not a parental pound has been gained. LOL.
Did you ever mention your divorice? I don’t frankly believe that you gave your marriage much chance Peterpan. I hope you miss your plane.
Were there kids involved? LOL.
November 1, 2009 at 2:00 PM #476301NotCrankyParticipant[quote=justme][quote=Russell]
The alimony and child support doesn’t scare everybody to the same extent.
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Oh, yeah, the old just-be-a-man-about-it argument.
Alimony and child support is not about being “scared”. It is about the real damage that divorce court does to men.
It is the same tactic used when women say that men are “afraid” of commitment. What nonsense. It is just a cheap-trick tactic designed to manipulate men into making a commitment even when it is a bad deal for them.[/quote]
I was scared to death of commitment, but wasn’t ever pushed into one and I don’t feel vulnerable to getting screwed by the courts so that is my perspective. In general though I think you want to stay out of court. It doesn’t surprise me if some men or even most, get screwed in some ways in divorce court. I still think if they had lived differently in marriage they would have had a better chance at equity in child support, alimony and visitation. Divorce and subsequent life probably would have gone better overall. If the courts make decisions based on how the
couple/ family/children actually lived I can’t blame them.November 1, 2009 at 2:00 PM #476474NotCrankyParticipant[quote=justme][quote=Russell]
The alimony and child support doesn’t scare everybody to the same extent.
[/quote]
Oh, yeah, the old just-be-a-man-about-it argument.
Alimony and child support is not about being “scared”. It is about the real damage that divorce court does to men.
It is the same tactic used when women say that men are “afraid” of commitment. What nonsense. It is just a cheap-trick tactic designed to manipulate men into making a commitment even when it is a bad deal for them.[/quote]
I was scared to death of commitment, but wasn’t ever pushed into one and I don’t feel vulnerable to getting screwed by the courts so that is my perspective. In general though I think you want to stay out of court. It doesn’t surprise me if some men or even most, get screwed in some ways in divorce court. I still think if they had lived differently in marriage they would have had a better chance at equity in child support, alimony and visitation. Divorce and subsequent life probably would have gone better overall. If the courts make decisions based on how the
couple/ family/children actually lived I can’t blame them.November 1, 2009 at 2:00 PM #476838NotCrankyParticipant[quote=justme][quote=Russell]
The alimony and child support doesn’t scare everybody to the same extent.
[/quote]
Oh, yeah, the old just-be-a-man-about-it argument.
Alimony and child support is not about being “scared”. It is about the real damage that divorce court does to men.
It is the same tactic used when women say that men are “afraid” of commitment. What nonsense. It is just a cheap-trick tactic designed to manipulate men into making a commitment even when it is a bad deal for them.[/quote]
I was scared to death of commitment, but wasn’t ever pushed into one and I don’t feel vulnerable to getting screwed by the courts so that is my perspective. In general though I think you want to stay out of court. It doesn’t surprise me if some men or even most, get screwed in some ways in divorce court. I still think if they had lived differently in marriage they would have had a better chance at equity in child support, alimony and visitation. Divorce and subsequent life probably would have gone better overall. If the courts make decisions based on how the
couple/ family/children actually lived I can’t blame them.November 1, 2009 at 2:00 PM #476914NotCrankyParticipant[quote=justme][quote=Russell]
The alimony and child support doesn’t scare everybody to the same extent.
[/quote]
Oh, yeah, the old just-be-a-man-about-it argument.
Alimony and child support is not about being “scared”. It is about the real damage that divorce court does to men.
It is the same tactic used when women say that men are “afraid” of commitment. What nonsense. It is just a cheap-trick tactic designed to manipulate men into making a commitment even when it is a bad deal for them.[/quote]
I was scared to death of commitment, but wasn’t ever pushed into one and I don’t feel vulnerable to getting screwed by the courts so that is my perspective. In general though I think you want to stay out of court. It doesn’t surprise me if some men or even most, get screwed in some ways in divorce court. I still think if they had lived differently in marriage they would have had a better chance at equity in child support, alimony and visitation. Divorce and subsequent life probably would have gone better overall. If the courts make decisions based on how the
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