OT: Military Officer Refuses Order from Obama

[IONEGARM]

[quote=partypup]
That’s funny, because until last week I thought the allegation of market manipulation by big banks was the conspiracy theory that took the cake.
…
Maybe it’s about time for you to invest in some tin foil. Truth is about to become stranger than fiction as more secrets are revealed. Oh yeah, that tends to happen when empires crumble…LOL.[/quote]

Its not news that people who are market makers can front run orders..

And that still has nothing to do with the hairbrained, obviously false allegations people come up with so that they don’t have to admit to themselves that Obama is their president. They dont want it to be true so it isnt. If it wasnt this it’d be something else. Wacky people are just like that.

[Anonymous]

Not to step on anyones toes but LAX, when passports weren’t required, would not accept certificates of live birth as proof of citizenship. My wife had one when we went to Mexico a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t let her on the plane. We got schooled on why the certificate of live birth is not accepted, all one must do is fill out a form and send it in with some cash and boom your set. We had to go to a notary in the airport and sign and affidavit in order to fly.

Also, when we got passports this year for another trip to Mexico the long form was required, I assume for the same reason stated above. The place in Washington we got our passports at wouldn’t take the certificate of live birth. This really sucked because California uses some stupid 3rd party company to do this and it’s expensive.

[Anonymous]

Not to step on anyones toes but LAX, when passports weren’t required, would not accept certificates of live birth as proof of citizenship. My wife had one when we went to Mexico a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t let her on the plane. We got schooled on why the certificate of live birth is not accepted, all one must do is fill out a form and send it in with some cash and boom your set. We had to go to a notary in the airport and sign and affidavit in order to fly.

Also, when we got passports this year for another trip to Mexico the long form was required, I assume for the same reason stated above. The place in Washington we got our passports at wouldn’t take the certificate of live birth. This really sucked because California uses some stupid 3rd party company to do this and it’s expensive.

[Anonymous]

Not to step on anyones toes but LAX, when passports weren’t required, would not accept certificates of live birth as proof of citizenship. My wife had one when we went to Mexico a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t let her on the plane. We got schooled on why the certificate of live birth is not accepted, all one must do is fill out a form and send it in with some cash and boom your set. We had to go to a notary in the airport and sign and affidavit in order to fly.

Also, when we got passports this year for another trip to Mexico the long form was required, I assume for the same reason stated above. The place in Washington we got our passports at wouldn’t take the certificate of live birth. This really sucked because California uses some stupid 3rd party company to do this and it’s expensive.

[Anonymous]

Not to step on anyones toes but LAX, when passports weren’t required, would not accept certificates of live birth as proof of citizenship. My wife had one when we went to Mexico a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t let her on the plane. We got schooled on why the certificate of live birth is not accepted, all one must do is fill out a form and send it in with some cash and boom your set. We had to go to a notary in the airport and sign and affidavit in order to fly.

Also, when we got passports this year for another trip to Mexico the long form was required, I assume for the same reason stated above. The place in Washington we got our passports at wouldn’t take the certificate of live birth. This really sucked because California uses some stupid 3rd party company to do this and it’s expensive.

[Anonymous]

Not to step on anyones toes but LAX, when passports weren’t required, would not accept certificates of live birth as proof of citizenship. My wife had one when we went to Mexico a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t let her on the plane. We got schooled on why the certificate of live birth is not accepted, all one must do is fill out a form and send it in with some cash and boom your set. We had to go to a notary in the airport and sign and affidavit in order to fly.

Also, when we got passports this year for another trip to Mexico the long form was required, I assume for the same reason stated above. The place in Washington we got our passports at wouldn’t take the certificate of live birth. This really sucked because California uses some stupid 3rd party company to do this and it’s expensive.

[partypup]

I’m confused. Why are so many of you focusing on non-issues and not looking at the bigger picture here? Regardless what theory any one of us has about Obama’s citizenship, where he was born, yada, yada, regardless of the endless “tin foil” pot shots that are being taken and the cracks about conspiracy wing nuts, the bottom line is this: the issue is now being determined on its MERITS. It’s not being kicked out on procedural grounds like all of the other cases. That speaks volumes. Do you think military courts are in the habit of hearing fringe, wing nut claims? And until the case is judged on its merits, we need to be careful about slinging disparaging epithets at those who raise questions in a “free” society. Damn, that’s what’s getting so frustrating and disturbing about this board. As soon as someone puts a remotely unpopular comment out here, folks pounce with a vengeance like a pack of ideological wolves, hurling insults and jabs to inflict maximum damage. Can we please take that kind of discourse to myspace or somewhere teens and pre-teens frolick? Because I have no patience for this shit when I’m dealing with supposedly intelligent adults.

Anyway, it’s really pointless to try to prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship in a thread that was merely intended to focus on (a) the fact that the case is being heard on the merits, (b) the potential fall out if the case is decided adversely to the White House and (c) the potential fall out if there is no closure to the case. The court will have to make this call, and that means that whatever documentation all of the alleged conspiracy theorists have been requesting will have to be produced. And all of the posters on this board who think the allegations are crazy should be thrilled – because one way or another this issue will have to be out to rest, and you won’t have to hear from the tin foil crowd again if your theory holds water.

However, if the administration intervenes and there is no resolution, or if this case ends up being decided on procedural grounds again for whatever reason, then we’ve still got a problem – because there is no closure. For a variety of reasons, I hope this matter is put to rest, because people need to fully believe in the legitimacy – if not the policies and practices – of our Commander-in-Chief. We have courts of law for a reason, and even those with tin foil-wrapped heads have a right to seek judicial relief. Does anyone on this board disagree with that fundamental proposition, or is this a “fringe” concept?

And lastly, to be fair, can you honestly tell me that if GW Bush were the subject of this controversy you would still be dismissing this issue so easily…?

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[partypup]

I’m confused. Why are so many of you focusing on non-issues and not looking at the bigger picture here? Regardless what theory any one of us has about Obama’s citizenship, where he was born, yada, yada, regardless of the endless “tin foil” pot shots that are being taken and the cracks about conspiracy wing nuts, the bottom line is this: the issue is now being determined on its MERITS. It’s not being kicked out on procedural grounds like all of the other cases. That speaks volumes. Do you think military courts are in the habit of hearing fringe, wing nut claims? And until the case is judged on its merits, we need to be careful about slinging disparaging epithets at those who raise questions in a “free” society. Damn, that’s what’s getting so frustrating and disturbing about this board. As soon as someone puts a remotely unpopular comment out here, folks pounce with a vengeance like a pack of ideological wolves, hurling insults and jabs to inflict maximum damage. Can we please take that kind of discourse to myspace or somewhere teens and pre-teens frolick? Because I have no patience for this shit when I’m dealing with supposedly intelligent adults.

Anyway, it’s really pointless to try to prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship in a thread that was merely intended to focus on (a) the fact that the case is being heard on the merits, (b) the potential fall out if the case is decided adversely to the White House and (c) the potential fall out if there is no closure to the case. The court will have to make this call, and that means that whatever documentation all of the alleged conspiracy theorists have been requesting will have to be produced. And all of the posters on this board who think the allegations are crazy should be thrilled – because one way or another this issue will have to be out to rest, and you won’t have to hear from the tin foil crowd again if your theory holds water.

However, if the administration intervenes and there is no resolution, or if this case ends up being decided on procedural grounds again for whatever reason, then we’ve still got a problem – because there is no closure. For a variety of reasons, I hope this matter is put to rest, because people need to fully believe in the legitimacy – if not the policies and practices – of our Commander-in-Chief. We have courts of law for a reason, and even those with tin foil-wrapped heads have a right to seek judicial relief. Does anyone on this board disagree with that fundamental proposition, or is this a “fringe” concept?

And lastly, to be fair, can you honestly tell me that if GW Bush were the subject of this controversy you would still be dismissing this issue so easily…?

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[partypup]

I’m confused. Why are so many of you focusing on non-issues and not looking at the bigger picture here? Regardless what theory any one of us has about Obama’s citizenship, where he was born, yada, yada, regardless of the endless “tin foil” pot shots that are being taken and the cracks about conspiracy wing nuts, the bottom line is this: the issue is now being determined on its MERITS. It’s not being kicked out on procedural grounds like all of the other cases. That speaks volumes. Do you think military courts are in the habit of hearing fringe, wing nut claims? And until the case is judged on its merits, we need to be careful about slinging disparaging epithets at those who raise questions in a “free” society. Damn, that’s what’s getting so frustrating and disturbing about this board. As soon as someone puts a remotely unpopular comment out here, folks pounce with a vengeance like a pack of ideological wolves, hurling insults and jabs to inflict maximum damage. Can we please take that kind of discourse to myspace or somewhere teens and pre-teens frolick? Because I have no patience for this shit when I’m dealing with supposedly intelligent adults.

Anyway, it’s really pointless to try to prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship in a thread that was merely intended to focus on (a) the fact that the case is being heard on the merits, (b) the potential fall out if the case is decided adversely to the White House and (c) the potential fall out if there is no closure to the case. The court will have to make this call, and that means that whatever documentation all of the alleged conspiracy theorists have been requesting will have to be produced. And all of the posters on this board who think the allegations are crazy should be thrilled – because one way or another this issue will have to be out to rest, and you won’t have to hear from the tin foil crowd again if your theory holds water.

However, if the administration intervenes and there is no resolution, or if this case ends up being decided on procedural grounds again for whatever reason, then we’ve still got a problem – because there is no closure. For a variety of reasons, I hope this matter is put to rest, because people need to fully believe in the legitimacy – if not the policies and practices – of our Commander-in-Chief. We have courts of law for a reason, and even those with tin foil-wrapped heads have a right to seek judicial relief. Does anyone on this board disagree with that fundamental proposition, or is this a “fringe” concept?

And lastly, to be fair, can you honestly tell me that if GW Bush were the subject of this controversy you would still be dismissing this issue so easily…?

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[partypup]

I’m confused. Why are so many of you focusing on non-issues and not looking at the bigger picture here? Regardless what theory any one of us has about Obama’s citizenship, where he was born, yada, yada, regardless of the endless “tin foil” pot shots that are being taken and the cracks about conspiracy wing nuts, the bottom line is this: the issue is now being determined on its MERITS. It’s not being kicked out on procedural grounds like all of the other cases. That speaks volumes. Do you think military courts are in the habit of hearing fringe, wing nut claims? And until the case is judged on its merits, we need to be careful about slinging disparaging epithets at those who raise questions in a “free” society. Damn, that’s what’s getting so frustrating and disturbing about this board. As soon as someone puts a remotely unpopular comment out here, folks pounce with a vengeance like a pack of ideological wolves, hurling insults and jabs to inflict maximum damage. Can we please take that kind of discourse to myspace or somewhere teens and pre-teens frolick? Because I have no patience for this shit when I’m dealing with supposedly intelligent adults.

Anyway, it’s really pointless to try to prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship in a thread that was merely intended to focus on (a) the fact that the case is being heard on the merits, (b) the potential fall out if the case is decided adversely to the White House and (c) the potential fall out if there is no closure to the case. The court will have to make this call, and that means that whatever documentation all of the alleged conspiracy theorists have been requesting will have to be produced. And all of the posters on this board who think the allegations are crazy should be thrilled – because one way or another this issue will have to be out to rest, and you won’t have to hear from the tin foil crowd again if your theory holds water.

However, if the administration intervenes and there is no resolution, or if this case ends up being decided on procedural grounds again for whatever reason, then we’ve still got a problem – because there is no closure. For a variety of reasons, I hope this matter is put to rest, because people need to fully believe in the legitimacy – if not the policies and practices – of our Commander-in-Chief. We have courts of law for a reason, and even those with tin foil-wrapped heads have a right to seek judicial relief. Does anyone on this board disagree with that fundamental proposition, or is this a “fringe” concept?

And lastly, to be fair, can you honestly tell me that if GW Bush were the subject of this controversy you would still be dismissing this issue so easily…?

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[partypup]

I’m confused. Why are so many of you focusing on non-issues and not looking at the bigger picture here? Regardless what theory any one of us has about Obama’s citizenship, where he was born, yada, yada, regardless of the endless “tin foil” pot shots that are being taken and the cracks about conspiracy wing nuts, the bottom line is this: the issue is now being determined on its MERITS. It’s not being kicked out on procedural grounds like all of the other cases. That speaks volumes. Do you think military courts are in the habit of hearing fringe, wing nut claims? And until the case is judged on its merits, we need to be careful about slinging disparaging epithets at those who raise questions in a “free” society. Damn, that’s what’s getting so frustrating and disturbing about this board. As soon as someone puts a remotely unpopular comment out here, folks pounce with a vengeance like a pack of ideological wolves, hurling insults and jabs to inflict maximum damage. Can we please take that kind of discourse to myspace or somewhere teens and pre-teens frolick? Because I have no patience for this shit when I’m dealing with supposedly intelligent adults.

Anyway, it’s really pointless to try to prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship in a thread that was merely intended to focus on (a) the fact that the case is being heard on the merits, (b) the potential fall out if the case is decided adversely to the White House and (c) the potential fall out if there is no closure to the case. The court will have to make this call, and that means that whatever documentation all of the alleged conspiracy theorists have been requesting will have to be produced. And all of the posters on this board who think the allegations are crazy should be thrilled – because one way or another this issue will have to be out to rest, and you won’t have to hear from the tin foil crowd again if your theory holds water.

However, if the administration intervenes and there is no resolution, or if this case ends up being decided on procedural grounds again for whatever reason, then we’ve still got a problem – because there is no closure. For a variety of reasons, I hope this matter is put to rest, because people need to fully believe in the legitimacy – if not the policies and practices – of our Commander-in-Chief. We have courts of law for a reason, and even those with tin foil-wrapped heads have a right to seek judicial relief. Does anyone on this board disagree with that fundamental proposition, or is this a “fringe” concept?

And lastly, to be fair, can you honestly tell me that if GW Bush were the subject of this controversy you would still be dismissing this issue so easily…?

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[partypup]

[quote=IONEGARM][quote=partypup]
That’s funny, because until last week I thought the allegation of market manipulation by big banks was the conspiracy theory that took the cake.
…
Maybe it’s about time for you to invest in some tin foil. Truth is about to become stranger than fiction as more secrets are revealed. Oh yeah, that tends to happen when empires crumble…LOL.[/quote]

Its not news that people who are market makers can front run orders..[/quote]

Really? Because it seems to be taking the media by surprise. If it’s not news, then why is Bloomberg reporting it as “doomsday” software? Why are the other major media outlets like Reuters picking up a story that is *yawn* such old news and reporting the software’s unusual capability if it’s merely a program to front run orders? Curious.

[quote=IONEGARM]And that still has nothing to do with the hairbrained, obviously false allegations people come up with so that they don’t have to admit to themselves that Obama is their president. They dont want it to be true so it isnt. If it wasnt this it’d be something else. Wacky people are just like that.[/quote]

Sorry you can’t connect the dots. I’m not going to think for you. But I want to get this straight: We have “hairbrained” (think you mean “harebrained”, BTW), “obviously false allegations” being raised by “wacky people”. Is that your position? And yet, the case is not being dismissed, but is instead being heard on its merits. Gee…I wonder if the hairbrained (sp) military cases go to the Special Wacky and Patently False Military Claims Court? LOL! You’re killing me. Your argument would have been so much stronger if the court had decided not to hear the case. You do realize that, don’t you? Have you ever been to court, BTW? It doesn’t sound like it.

Hey, did you know that the judicial system has a neat little system for dealing with harebrained cases? They’re dismissed without being heard. It’s called summary judgment. But that didn’t happen here. So sit back and wait for a decision and keep the barbs and snipes to yourself. Because until the court hands down a decision, your defense of the proferred b.c. is just as “wacky” as the plaintiff’s allegations – no matter how loudly you bleat or how many times you call your opponents “wacky”.

[partypup]

[quote=IONEGARM][quote=partypup]
That’s funny, because until last week I thought the allegation of market manipulation by big banks was the conspiracy theory that took the cake.
…
Maybe it’s about time for you to invest in some tin foil. Truth is about to become stranger than fiction as more secrets are revealed. Oh yeah, that tends to happen when empires crumble…LOL.[/quote]

Its not news that people who are market makers can front run orders..[/quote]

Really? Because it seems to be taking the media by surprise. If it’s not news, then why is Bloomberg reporting it as “doomsday” software? Why are the other major media outlets like Reuters picking up a story that is *yawn* such old news and reporting the software’s unusual capability if it’s merely a program to front run orders? Curious.

[quote=IONEGARM]And that still has nothing to do with the hairbrained, obviously false allegations people come up with so that they don’t have to admit to themselves that Obama is their president. They dont want it to be true so it isnt. If it wasnt this it’d be something else. Wacky people are just like that.[/quote]

Sorry you can’t connect the dots. I’m not going to think for you. But I want to get this straight: We have “hairbrained” (think you mean “harebrained”, BTW), “obviously false allegations” being raised by “wacky people”. Is that your position? And yet, the case is not being dismissed, but is instead being heard on its merits. Gee…I wonder if the hairbrained (sp) military cases go to the Special Wacky and Patently False Military Claims Court? LOL! You’re killing me. Your argument would have been so much stronger if the court had decided not to hear the case. You do realize that, don’t you? Have you ever been to court, BTW? It doesn’t sound like it.

Hey, did you know that the judicial system has a neat little system for dealing with harebrained cases? They’re dismissed without being heard. It’s called summary judgment. But that didn’t happen here. So sit back and wait for a decision and keep the barbs and snipes to yourself. Because until the court hands down a decision, your defense of the proferred b.c. is just as “wacky” as the plaintiff’s allegations – no matter how loudly you bleat or how many times you call your opponents “wacky”.

[partypup]

[quote=IONEGARM][quote=partypup]
That’s funny, because until last week I thought the allegation of market manipulation by big banks was the conspiracy theory that took the cake.
…
Maybe it’s about time for you to invest in some tin foil. Truth is about to become stranger than fiction as more secrets are revealed. Oh yeah, that tends to happen when empires crumble…LOL.[/quote]

Its not news that people who are market makers can front run orders..[/quote]

Really? Because it seems to be taking the media by surprise. If it’s not news, then why is Bloomberg reporting it as “doomsday” software? Why are the other major media outlets like Reuters picking up a story that is *yawn* such old news and reporting the software’s unusual capability if it’s merely a program to front run orders? Curious.

[quote=IONEGARM]And that still has nothing to do with the hairbrained, obviously false allegations people come up with so that they don’t have to admit to themselves that Obama is their president. They dont want it to be true so it isnt. If it wasnt this it’d be something else. Wacky people are just like that.[/quote]

Sorry you can’t connect the dots. I’m not going to think for you. But I want to get this straight: We have “hairbrained” (think you mean “harebrained”, BTW), “obviously false allegations” being raised by “wacky people”. Is that your position? And yet, the case is not being dismissed, but is instead being heard on its merits. Gee…I wonder if the hairbrained (sp) military cases go to the Special Wacky and Patently False Military Claims Court? LOL! You’re killing me. Your argument would have been so much stronger if the court had decided not to hear the case. You do realize that, don’t you? Have you ever been to court, BTW? It doesn’t sound like it.

Hey, did you know that the judicial system has a neat little system for dealing with harebrained cases? They’re dismissed without being heard. It’s called summary judgment. But that didn’t happen here. So sit back and wait for a decision and keep the barbs and snipes to yourself. Because until the court hands down a decision, your defense of the proferred b.c. is just as “wacky” as the plaintiff’s allegations – no matter how loudly you bleat or how many times you call your opponents “wacky”.

[partypup]

[quote=IONEGARM][quote=partypup]
That’s funny, because until last week I thought the allegation of market manipulation by big banks was the conspiracy theory that took the cake.
…
Maybe it’s about time for you to invest in some tin foil. Truth is about to become stranger than fiction as more secrets are revealed. Oh yeah, that tends to happen when empires crumble…LOL.[/quote]

Its not news that people who are market makers can front run orders..[/quote]

Really? Because it seems to be taking the media by surprise. If it’s not news, then why is Bloomberg reporting it as “doomsday” software? Why are the other major media outlets like Reuters picking up a story that is *yawn* such old news and reporting the software’s unusual capability if it’s merely a program to front run orders? Curious.

[quote=IONEGARM]And that still has nothing to do with the hairbrained, obviously false allegations people come up with so that they don’t have to admit to themselves that Obama is their president. They dont want it to be true so it isnt. If it wasnt this it’d be something else. Wacky people are just like that.[/quote]

Sorry you can’t connect the dots. I’m not going to think for you. But I want to get this straight: We have “hairbrained” (think you mean “harebrained”, BTW), “obviously false allegations” being raised by “wacky people”. Is that your position? And yet, the case is not being dismissed, but is instead being heard on its merits. Gee…I wonder if the hairbrained (sp) military cases go to the Special Wacky and Patently False Military Claims Court? LOL! You’re killing me. Your argument would have been so much stronger if the court had decided not to hear the case. You do realize that, don’t you? Have you ever been to court, BTW? It doesn’t sound like it.

Hey, did you know that the judicial system has a neat little system for dealing with harebrained cases? They’re dismissed without being heard. It’s called summary judgment. But that didn’t happen here. So sit back and wait for a decision and keep the barbs and snipes to yourself. Because until the court hands down a decision, your defense of the proferred b.c. is just as “wacky” as the plaintiff’s allegations – no matter how loudly you bleat or how many times you call your opponents “wacky”.

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