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July 16, 2009 at 9:00 PM #432804July 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM #432076
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=patb][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).
“.[/quote]Bush was calling up lots of IRR as IMA’s to the AGR, if you understood this.[/quote]
Pat: Yup. I would imagine so, especially for the Army where the third brigade in every infantry and armor division is generally USAR or National Guard and combat ops “friction” would start wearing down not only equipment, but personnel, too, and you’d have to reach into the Individual Mobilization Augmentation program (which was really designed to “plump” up Army divisions). I don’t imagine the Army ever thought they’d be subjected to this sort of wear and tear (and it’s not only the duration of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the theater conditions as well).
July 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM #432283Participant[quote=patb][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).
“.[/quote]Bush was calling up lots of IRR as IMA’s to the AGR, if you understood this.[/quote]
Pat: Yup. I would imagine so, especially for the Army where the third brigade in every infantry and armor division is generally USAR or National Guard and combat ops “friction” would start wearing down not only equipment, but personnel, too, and you’d have to reach into the Individual Mobilization Augmentation program (which was really designed to “plump” up Army divisions). I don’t imagine the Army ever thought they’d be subjected to this sort of wear and tear (and it’s not only the duration of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the theater conditions as well).
July 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM #432586Participant[quote=patb][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).
“.[/quote]Bush was calling up lots of IRR as IMA’s to the AGR, if you understood this.[/quote]
Pat: Yup. I would imagine so, especially for the Army where the third brigade in every infantry and armor division is generally USAR or National Guard and combat ops “friction” would start wearing down not only equipment, but personnel, too, and you’d have to reach into the Individual Mobilization Augmentation program (which was really designed to “plump” up Army divisions). I don’t imagine the Army ever thought they’d be subjected to this sort of wear and tear (and it’s not only the duration of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the theater conditions as well).
July 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM #432656Participant[quote=patb][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).
“.[/quote]Bush was calling up lots of IRR as IMA’s to the AGR, if you understood this.[/quote]
Pat: Yup. I would imagine so, especially for the Army where the third brigade in every infantry and armor division is generally USAR or National Guard and combat ops “friction” would start wearing down not only equipment, but personnel, too, and you’d have to reach into the Individual Mobilization Augmentation program (which was really designed to “plump” up Army divisions). I don’t imagine the Army ever thought they’d be subjected to this sort of wear and tear (and it’s not only the duration of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the theater conditions as well).
July 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM #432820Participant[quote=patb][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).
“.[/quote]Bush was calling up lots of IRR as IMA’s to the AGR, if you understood this.[/quote]
Pat: Yup. I would imagine so, especially for the Army where the third brigade in every infantry and armor division is generally USAR or National Guard and combat ops “friction” would start wearing down not only equipment, but personnel, too, and you’d have to reach into the Individual Mobilization Augmentation program (which was really designed to “plump” up Army divisions). I don’t imagine the Army ever thought they’d be subjected to this sort of wear and tear (and it’s not only the duration of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the theater conditions as well).
July 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM #432257Casca
Participant[quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]
Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.
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even if this were true, so what?
Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.
As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]
That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.
Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]
BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.
Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.
Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.
July 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM #432470Participant[quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]
Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.
[/quote]
even if this were true, so what?
Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.
As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]
That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.
Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]
BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.
Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.
Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.
July 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM #432772Participant[quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]
Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.
[/quote]
even if this were true, so what?
Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.
As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]
That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.
Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]
BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.
Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.
Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.
July 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM #432843Participant[quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]
Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.
[/quote]
even if this were true, so what?
Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.
As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]
That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.
Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]
BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.
Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.
Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.
July 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM #433005Participant[quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]
Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.
[/quote]
even if this were true, so what?
Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.
As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]
That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.
Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]
BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.
Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.
Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.
July 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM #432272
svelteParticipantHas anybody checked the trunk of Obama’s car?
Because he just might have the remains of Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa in there, along with the rifle he used as the second gunman.
Just sayin’.
July 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM #432485svelteParticipantHas anybody checked the trunk of Obama’s car?
Because he just might have the remains of Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa in there, along with the rifle he used as the second gunman.
Just sayin’.
July 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM #432787svelteParticipantHas anybody checked the trunk of Obama’s car?
Because he just might have the remains of Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa in there, along with the rifle he used as the second gunman.
Just sayin’.
July 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM #432857svelteParticipantHas anybody checked the trunk of Obama’s car?
Because he just might have the remains of Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa in there, along with the rifle he used as the second gunman.
Just sayin’.
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