OT: Military Officer Refuses Order from Obama

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.[/quote]

I don’t think I can disagree with anything you’re saying. But, he wasn’t RA. I just followed links I found through partypup’s links, and google.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html

Who the hell volunteers for duty in Afghanistan, and a scant 2 months later decides to sue in federal court as a conscientious objector – based on the fact that he’s being ordered to go to Afghanistan? This guy should never go to Afghanistan. He should be discharged. I’m not exactly what type of discharge, but discharged nonetheless. This was a fabricated stunt orchestrated by the attorney.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.[/quote]

I don’t think I can disagree with anything you’re saying. But, he wasn’t RA. I just followed links I found through partypup’s links, and google.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html

Who the hell volunteers for duty in Afghanistan, and a scant 2 months later decides to sue in federal court as a conscientious objector – based on the fact that he’s being ordered to go to Afghanistan? This guy should never go to Afghanistan. He should be discharged. I’m not exactly what type of discharge, but discharged nonetheless. This was a fabricated stunt orchestrated by the attorney.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.[/quote]

I don’t think I can disagree with anything you’re saying. But, he wasn’t RA. I just followed links I found through partypup’s links, and google.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html

Who the hell volunteers for duty in Afghanistan, and a scant 2 months later decides to sue in federal court as a conscientious objector – based on the fact that he’s being ordered to go to Afghanistan? This guy should never go to Afghanistan. He should be discharged. I’m not exactly what type of discharge, but discharged nonetheless. This was a fabricated stunt orchestrated by the attorney.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.[/quote]

I don’t think I can disagree with anything you’re saying. But, he wasn’t RA. I just followed links I found through partypup’s links, and google.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html

Who the hell volunteers for duty in Afghanistan, and a scant 2 months later decides to sue in federal court as a conscientious objector – based on the fact that he’s being ordered to go to Afghanistan? This guy should never go to Afghanistan. He should be discharged. I’m not exactly what type of discharge, but discharged nonetheless. This was a fabricated stunt orchestrated by the attorney.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pablo: I am curious about one thing, though: It would appear that the Major was USAR and not RA (Regular Army) because you mention termination from a civilian job.

Being former Army myself, the situation plays out somewhat differently if an officer is RA, versus Army Reserve or National Guard. When I was in, there were even differences in Army Reserve status (i.e. IRR or Individual Ready Reserve, which was an awful lot like the National Guard, only you didn’t even muster out once a month but were on this weird “standby” status. IRR was definitely a product of the Cold War, in that IRR members would probably only get called up if a big war broke out with the Russkies).

I guess my two points would be: First, if the Major was RA, I sincerely doubt that this shit would have gone this far, because a stunt like this is a career ender and, second, volunteering for a force like SOCOM isn’t for the faint hearted and, God forbid he volunteers under false pretenses and winds up there and brother officers and members of his command find out. That’s the kind of situation where you go out on night patrol and don’t happen to come back. Or, as we used to say, you get “Neidermeyered”.[/quote]

I don’t think I can disagree with anything you’re saying. But, he wasn’t RA. I just followed links I found through partypup’s links, and google.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html

Who the hell volunteers for duty in Afghanistan, and a scant 2 months later decides to sue in federal court as a conscientious objector – based on the fact that he’s being ordered to go to Afghanistan? This guy should never go to Afghanistan. He should be discharged. I’m not exactly what type of discharge, but discharged nonetheless. This was a fabricated stunt orchestrated by the attorney.

[Veritas]

Rules for Radicals #5- Ridicule. That’s your default position. Instead of being interested in the truth, you attack the serviceman. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Unless of course, “You can’t handle the truth.”

[Veritas]

Rules for Radicals #5- Ridicule. That’s your default position. Instead of being interested in the truth, you attack the serviceman. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Unless of course, “You can’t handle the truth.”

[Veritas]

Rules for Radicals #5- Ridicule. That’s your default position. Instead of being interested in the truth, you attack the serviceman. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Unless of course, “You can’t handle the truth.”

[Veritas]

Rules for Radicals #5- Ridicule. That’s your default position. Instead of being interested in the truth, you attack the serviceman. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Unless of course, “You can’t handle the truth.”

[Veritas]

Rules for Radicals #5- Ridicule. That’s your default position. Instead of being interested in the truth, you attack the serviceman. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Unless of course, “You can’t handle the truth.”

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Author]

Posts