OT: Military Officer Refuses Order from Obama

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Casca][quote=IONEGARM][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

[Casca]

Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.

[Casca]

Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.

[Casca]

Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.

[Casca]

Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.

[Casca]

Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court took up the issue and upheld the lower courts which, of course said, in essence,”you gotta be kidding.”

An interesting legal issue: who has standing to challenge the qualifications for President? A: Congress does, when it certifies the votes of the electors. If there were any substantive issue it legally needed to be raised then.

A military officer doesn’t have standing. Can you imagine if it were otherwise? Any officer could challenge orders on grounds that “general XYZ wasn’t properly commissioned and didn’t sign the form in the right place blah blah blah”.

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court took up the issue and upheld the lower courts which, of course said, in essence,”you gotta be kidding.”

An interesting legal issue: who has standing to challenge the qualifications for President? A: Congress does, when it certifies the votes of the electors. If there were any substantive issue it legally needed to be raised then.

A military officer doesn’t have standing. Can you imagine if it were otherwise? Any officer could challenge orders on grounds that “general XYZ wasn’t properly commissioned and didn’t sign the form in the right place blah blah blah”.

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court took up the issue and upheld the lower courts which, of course said, in essence,”you gotta be kidding.”

An interesting legal issue: who has standing to challenge the qualifications for President? A: Congress does, when it certifies the votes of the electors. If there were any substantive issue it legally needed to be raised then.

A military officer doesn’t have standing. Can you imagine if it were otherwise? Any officer could challenge orders on grounds that “general XYZ wasn’t properly commissioned and didn’t sign the form in the right place blah blah blah”.

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court took up the issue and upheld the lower courts which, of course said, in essence,”you gotta be kidding.”

An interesting legal issue: who has standing to challenge the qualifications for President? A: Congress does, when it certifies the votes of the electors. If there were any substantive issue it legally needed to be raised then.

A military officer doesn’t have standing. Can you imagine if it were otherwise? Any officer could challenge orders on grounds that “general XYZ wasn’t properly commissioned and didn’t sign the form in the right place blah blah blah”.

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court took up the issue and upheld the lower courts which, of course said, in essence,”you gotta be kidding.”

An interesting legal issue: who has standing to challenge the qualifications for President? A: Congress does, when it certifies the votes of the electors. If there were any substantive issue it legally needed to be raised then.

A military officer doesn’t have standing. Can you imagine if it were otherwise? Any officer could challenge orders on grounds that “general XYZ wasn’t properly commissioned and didn’t sign the form in the right place blah blah blah”.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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