OT: Jeremy Lin

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

Because there are thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan from China as well as threat of bloodbath from the People’s Liberation Army.

That’s all.

[ocrenter]

[quote=4slive][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

That’s the fact of politics. No one can take the risk to change the situation. Without changing the ROC naming, I can’t figure out any reason not to call ROC people as Chinese, which is not conflict with Taiwanese.

Back to 70s’, when ROC is the representative of China in UN, most of the ROC people like to call them as Chinese. Why things changed in just 30 years, it’s not ethical reason, and it’s just politics. Politics keeps changing while people can’t change their ethical stamp. With time goes, say in another 30 years, probably no surprise to see ROC people call them back as Chinese. I think it becomes a trend now.[/quote]

But back in the 70’s, people of Taiwan also cried and sobbed away when Dear Leader Chiang Kai Shek passed away. And when his passing coincided with a rainstorm, everyone believed the heaven was crying with them too.

[ocrenter]

[quote=4slive]
Thailand and Philippoines historicall had no much connection with China. Vietnam and Korea had very close connection, but they were not part of China. While the taiwan island not only ruled by Chinese government historically, but also ruled by Republic of China government until now. There is complex relationship between ROC and PRC, but no one can’t deny the commonality between them, CHINA. The people live in US can call themselves whatever they want. It doesn’t matter, nobody cares. We cares the taiwan island is ruled by Chinese government (ROC), the people should be called Chinese. This the bottom line Taiwanese people don’t dare to change at all. Face the fact, live with it.[/quote]

In truth, Taiwan and China were only governed together under a Han Chinese government for 5 years, between 1945 to 1949. Then the PRC formed in China, creating an one China, one Taiwan reality.

Before that, the Manchu’s did rule over both China and Taiwan, but the Manchu’s also ruled over Mongolia, Korea, and huge parts of the Russian Far East.

Prior to the Manchu’s, Taiwan was occupied almost exclusively by malay tribes people.

[4slive]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

Because there are thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan from China as well as threat of bloodbath from the People’s Liberation Army.

That’s all.[/quote]

Can you give the exact source of how many or just your illusion? Did any of those missiles ever fired to kill any people? As the world No.2 or No.3 power, China mainland has its right to deploy missile but I doubt anybody in Taiwan knows the exact purpose and number of them.

[4slive]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=4slive][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

That’s the fact of politics. No one can take the risk to change the situation. Without changing the ROC naming, I can’t figure out any reason not to call ROC people as Chinese, which is not conflict with Taiwanese.

Back to 70s’, when ROC is the representative of China in UN, most of the ROC people like to call them as Chinese. Why things changed in just 30 years, it’s not ethical reason, and it’s just politics. Politics keeps changing while people can’t change their ethical stamp. With time goes, say in another 30 years, probably no surprise to see ROC people call them back as Chinese. I think it becomes a trend now.[/quote]

But back in the 70’s, people of Taiwan also cried and sobbed away when Dear Leader Chiang Kai Shek passed away. And when his passing coincided with a rainstorm, everyone believed the heaven was crying with them too.[/quote]

Not matter what people change their thinking. But as a nation, the tile “Republic of China” not changed and no one dare to change it in forseeable future.

[4slive]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=4slive]
Thailand and Philippoines historicall had no much connection with China. Vietnam and Korea had very close connection, but they were not part of China. While the taiwan island not only ruled by Chinese government historically, but also ruled by Republic of China government until now. There is complex relationship between ROC and PRC, but no one can’t deny the commonality between them, CHINA. The people live in US can call themselves whatever they want. It doesn’t matter, nobody cares. We cares the taiwan island is ruled by Chinese government (ROC), the people should be called Chinese. This the bottom line Taiwanese people don’t dare to change at all. Face the fact, live with it.[/quote]

In truth, Taiwan and China were only governed together under a Han Chinese government for 5 years, between 1945 to 1949. Then the PRC formed in China, creating an one China, one Taiwan reality.

Before that, the Manchu’s did rule over both China and Taiwan, but the Manchu’s also ruled over Mongolia, Korea, and huge parts of the Russian Far East.

Prior to the Manchu’s, Taiwan was occupied almost exclusively by malay tribes people.[/quote]

Manchu already merged into Chinese. Chinese is not only referred to HAN people. Manchu never ruled over Korea silimar case is Vietnam. For Mongolia, it’s offical pact to let it be independent by ROC government. If you can find such agreement to let Taiwan independent by either ROC or PRC government, then we won’t bother to argue this topic.

[paranoid]

Lin is before all an American. He was born in California.
Let’s listen to what Lin himself has to say about his identity:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzUwNTU4MTI4.html

Ocrenter, you will be very disappointed.

[4slive]

[quote=paranoid]Lin is before all an American. He was born in California.
Let’s listen to what Lin himself has to say about his identity:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzUwNTU4MTI4.html

Ocrenter, you will be very disappointed.[/quote]

YES, LIN said “I’m proud to be Chinese”. Actually we welcome ROC people claim both Chinese and Taiwanese identity. But if someone only claims Taiwanese identity, doesn’t it feel too odd? Because the passport they originally hold is “Republic of China” passport. Also the constitution of ROC still covers the mainland China.

[ocrenter]

[quote=4slive]

Manchu already merged into Chinese. Chinese is not only referred to HAN people. Manchu never ruled over Korea silimar case is Vietnam. For Mongolia, it’s offical pact to let it be independent by ROC government. If you can find such agreement to let Taiwan independent by either ROC or PRC government, then we won’t bother to argue this topic.[/quote]

The Manchus had a very strict racial segregation policy throughout their entire rule of China. With Manchus as the top of the society and the Han as second class citizens. Because ultimately they were so much smaller in numbers, eventually especially after the 1911 revolution they were assimilated as Chinese. But it would be a stretch to claim all Manchu empire land to be intrinsic sacred Chinese land.

[scaredyclassic]

bicycles made in taiwan are generally much better than bicycles made in china.

[ocrenter]

[quote=4slive][quote=ocrenter][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

Because there are thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan from China as well as threat of bloodbath from the People’s Liberation Army.

That’s all.[/quote]

Can you give the exact source of how many or just your illusion? Did any of those missiles ever fired to kill any people? As the world No.2 or No.3 power, China mainland has its right to deploy missile but I doubt anybody in Taiwan knows the exact purpose and number of them.[/quote]

My illusion? So are you saying the missiles are NOT there?

[ocrenter]

[outtamojo]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=outtamojo]Gosh, and no one’s even mentioned the Jason Whitlock thing yet…..[/quote]

only because that is not worth the bandwidth it traveled on.[/quote]

Fascinating…journalists have been fired for less.

[ocrenter]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=ocrenter][quote=outtamojo]Gosh, and no one’s even mentioned the Jason Whitlock thing yet…..[/quote]

only because that is not worth the bandwidth it traveled on.[/quote]

Fascinating…journalists have been fired for less.[/quote]

Of course they had. Because it was white on black racism. We all know African Americans are ultra sensitive about that and they will over react. They have a complex, a chip on their collective shoulders. That’s why whites can’t make black jokes, because most African Americans can’t handle the joke.

Asians dont really have a complex in this regard. After all, blacks never enslaved us. So we look at it for what it is: a jealous loser trying too hard to be funny and it back fired on his ass.

What we do have a complex about is demonstrated right here. You can’t have a Taiwanese assert Taiwanese identity without hoards of Chinese crying foul and call you names and tell you to go back to where you came from. Because they too, have a complex and that chip on their collective shoulders.

The double standard is definitely there. But it is what it is and we move on.

[ocrenter]

[quote=walterwhite]bicycles made in taiwan are generally much better than bicycles made in china.[/quote]

Just food for thought, sometimes the industrial revolution just isn’t what it is cracked up to be. Think back to the days Beijingners all were on bikes. They could actually breath and see each other without the thick smog getting in the way… I suppose there’s always a price to pay for progress.

Btw, that smog is the product of less government regulation as well. Ron Paul supporters should take note.

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