OT: Jeremy Lin

[ocrenter]

[quote=outtamojo]Gosh, and no one’s even mentioned the Jason Whitlock thing yet…..[/quote]

only because that is not worth the bandwidth it traveled on.

[paranoid]

Ocrenter, you are a great housing analyst. You are also a narrow-minded nationalist. In the eyes of the world, both officially and unoffically, taiwanese is a subgroup of Chinese, like it or not.

[ocrenter]

[quote=paranoid]Ocrenter, you are a great housing analyst. You are also a narrow-minded nationalist. In the eyes of the world, both officially and unoffically, taiwanese is a subgroup of Chinese, like it or not.[/quote]

generally, the way of the world is when someone can’t beat someone else on facts, they start to engage in personal attacks.

your response is prime example.

[paranoid]

OCrenter: what facts are you looking at?
The facts I see are that all major countries in the world recognize Taiwan as an integral part of China; and most people around the world consider people from Taiwan as Chinese. You can choose how you call yourself, or how you want other poeple call you, but you cannot choose how other people call you. accept the facts. irrational emotion will only hurt your health.

[ocrenter]

[quote=paranoid]OCrenter: what facts are you looking at?
The facts I see are that all major countries in the world recognize Taiwan as an integral part of China; and most people around the world consider people from Taiwan as Chinese. You can choose how you call yourself, or how you want other poeple call you, but you cannot choose how other people call you. accept the facts. irrational emotion will only hurt your health.[/quote]

most countries acknowledge Taiwan as part of China because of Chinese insistence. This is international politics based on China’s internal need to create a made up reality. Because of its size, it can force others to acknowledge that made up reality. that does not mean it is real.

The best example was when the ROC actually had world recognition as the government of China despite the fact that the PRC was the effective government of China. the ROC had a made up reality at that time as well. But that did not mean it was real. The real government of China was the PRC, despite what the US, the UN, and the pretenders in the ROC said.

Facts on the ground is ultimately what matters. And facts on the ground is the reality of two countries. One country being China, the other country being Taiwan. Logically, the people from Taiwan should be called Taiwanese. I really don’t see why this is so difficult.

[EJ]

I clicked on this thread hoping to read about some B-ball … oh well, back to work

[sdhomes]

yeah, this ocrenter should go back to Orange County
and not stir water here ….

[Coronita]

[quote=EJ]I clicked on this thread hoping to read about some B-ball … oh well, back to work[/quote]

read the other thread. 🙂

http://piggington.com/ot_kinicks_down_half_time

[ocrenter]

[quote=sdhomes]yeah, this ocrenter should go back to Orange County
and not stir water here ….[/quote]

appreciate the personal attack! thanks.

[Dukehorn]

No worries, you’re right. Look at this NY Time article”

While in the car, Lin’s uncle volunteered his views on one of the most contentious questions on the Internet about Jeremy Lin and his family: whether they are Taiwanese or Chinese. “For sure, they are Taiwanese,” Lin Chi Chung said. “I spoke to Jeremy Lin’s father, who is my younger brother, and he said, ‘Make sure you point this out.’

[4slive]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=paranoid]OCrenter: what facts are you looking at?
The facts I see are that all major countries in the world recognize Taiwan as an integral part of China; and most people around the world consider people from Taiwan as Chinese. You can choose how you call yourself, or how you want other poeple call you, but you cannot choose how other people call you. accept the facts. irrational emotion will only hurt your health.[/quote]

most countries acknowledge Taiwan as part of China because of Chinese insistence. This is international politics based on China’s internal need to create a made up reality. Because of its size, it can force others to acknowledge that made up reality. that does not mean it is real.

The best example was when the ROC actually had world recognition as the government of China despite the fact that the PRC was the effective government of China. the ROC had a made up reality at that time as well. But that did not mean it was real. The real government of China was the PRC, despite what the US, the UN, and the pretenders in the ROC said.

Facts on the ground is ultimately what matters. And facts on the ground is the reality of two countries. One country being China, the other country being Taiwan. Logically, the people from Taiwan should be called Taiwanese. I really don’t see why this is so difficult.[/quote]

Some people from ROC always imagine there is a country called Taiwan, but the fact is NO. Only Republic of China, so the people from ROC is also called Chinese. They may call themselves as Taiwanese because the island called taiwan, but it’s not conflict with their Chinese identify.

The only way for those people to get rid of Chinese identity is to rename ROC to ROT, but who dares? Even Shuibian Chen can’t , can you?

[Dukehorn]

The only way for those people to get rid of Chinese identity is to rename ROC to ROT, but who dares? Even Shuibian Chen can’t

That’s ridiculous, you think the Chinese diaspora to Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines etc are all calling themselves Chinese? I don’t meet anybody saying I’m a Filipino Chinese or a Thai Chinese. There are plenty of Taiwanese and Taiwanese Americans that do not consider themselves Chinese. Live with it.

[4slive]

[quote=Dukehorn]The only way for those people to get rid of Chinese identity is to rename ROC to ROT, but who dares? Even Shuibian Chen can’t

That’s ridiculous, you think the Chinese diaspora to Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines etc are all calling themselves Chinese? I don’t meet anybody saying I’m a Filipino Chinese or a Thai Chinese. There are plenty of Taiwanese and Taiwanese Americans that do not consider themselves Chinese. Live with it.[/quote]

Thailand and Philippoines historicall had no much connection with China. Vietnam and Korea had very close connection, but they were not part of China. While the taiwan island not only ruled by Chinese government historically, but also ruled by Republic of China government until now. There is complex relationship between ROC and PRC, but no one can’t deny the commonality between them, CHINA. The people live in US can call themselves whatever they want. It doesn’t matter, nobody cares. We cares the taiwan island is ruled by Chinese government (ROC), the people should be called Chinese. This the bottom line Taiwanese people don’t dare to change at all. Face the fact, live with it.

[briansd1]

4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?

[4slive]

[quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.

Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]

That’s the fact of politics. No one can take the risk to change the situation. Without changing the ROC naming, I can’t figure out any reason not to call ROC people as Chinese, which is not conflict with Taiwanese.

Back to 70s’, when ROC is the representative of China in UN, most of the ROC people like to call them as Chinese. Why things changed in just 30 years, it’s not ethical reason, and it’s just politics. Politics keeps changing while people can’t change their ethical stamp. With time goes, say in another 30 years, probably no surprise to see ROC people call them back as Chinese. I think it becomes a trend now.

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