OT: I hate big governments, government overeaching it’s sticky hands

[SK in CV]

A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)

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So remember; don’t give the defense lawyer the evil eye next time you do jury duty on a molest case.

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So remember; don’t give the defense lawyer the evil eye next time you do jury duty on a molest case.

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So remember; don’t give the defense lawyer the evil eye next time you do jury duty on a molest case.

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So remember; don’t give the defense lawyer the evil eye next time you do jury duty on a molest case.

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So remember; don’t give the defense lawyer the evil eye next time you do jury duty on a molest case.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)[/quote]

Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

Hmmm, I wonder what the qualifications are needed into to be a part of social services……….Call me elitist, but I bet I if you compare me to 10 other folks from social services, I’m pretty confident me as a parent would not nearly be as screwed up as as the remaining 10 social services employees…For instance, I don’t feed my kids nasty junk from McDonald’s or (insert your favorite donut shop) on a regular basis, which in my mind would be a form of child abuse….Hell, most americans probably get rubbed the wrong way by Amy Chua’s raising of a kid…..So ,yes I do have an issue when government overextends and starts to put rules/regulations/guidelines above common sense…I mean, it’s as if, it’s to “dumb things down” so anyone can do it…It doesn’t work that way…

It’s completely absurd in the serbian case that there are no charges of child abuse, no additional actions, and yet some random judge still thinks the parents are a threat to the kid….I mean, if this isn’t a complete miscarriage of justice, I don’t know what is….That judge frankly should be fired…But unfortunately, in the public sector, that just doesn’t happen….

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)[/quote]

Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

Hmmm, I wonder what the qualifications are needed into to be a part of social services……….Call me elitist, but I bet I if you compare me to 10 other folks from social services, I’m pretty confident me as a parent would not nearly be as screwed up as as the remaining 10 social services employees…For instance, I don’t feed my kids nasty junk from McDonald’s or (insert your favorite donut shop) on a regular basis, which in my mind would be a form of child abuse….Hell, most americans probably get rubbed the wrong way by Amy Chua’s raising of a kid…..So ,yes I do have an issue when government overextends and starts to put rules/regulations/guidelines above common sense…I mean, it’s as if, it’s to “dumb things down” so anyone can do it…It doesn’t work that way…

It’s completely absurd in the serbian case that there are no charges of child abuse, no additional actions, and yet some random judge still thinks the parents are a threat to the kid….I mean, if this isn’t a complete miscarriage of justice, I don’t know what is….That judge frankly should be fired…But unfortunately, in the public sector, that just doesn’t happen….

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)[/quote]

Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

Hmmm, I wonder what the qualifications are needed into to be a part of social services……….Call me elitist, but I bet I if you compare me to 10 other folks from social services, I’m pretty confident me as a parent would not nearly be as screwed up as as the remaining 10 social services employees…For instance, I don’t feed my kids nasty junk from McDonald’s or (insert your favorite donut shop) on a regular basis, which in my mind would be a form of child abuse….Hell, most americans probably get rubbed the wrong way by Amy Chua’s raising of a kid…..So ,yes I do have an issue when government overextends and starts to put rules/regulations/guidelines above common sense…I mean, it’s as if, it’s to “dumb things down” so anyone can do it…It doesn’t work that way…

It’s completely absurd in the serbian case that there are no charges of child abuse, no additional actions, and yet some random judge still thinks the parents are a threat to the kid….I mean, if this isn’t a complete miscarriage of justice, I don’t know what is….That judge frankly should be fired…But unfortunately, in the public sector, that just doesn’t happen….

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)[/quote]

Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

Hmmm, I wonder what the qualifications are needed into to be a part of social services……….Call me elitist, but I bet I if you compare me to 10 other folks from social services, I’m pretty confident me as a parent would not nearly be as screwed up as as the remaining 10 social services employees…For instance, I don’t feed my kids nasty junk from McDonald’s or (insert your favorite donut shop) on a regular basis, which in my mind would be a form of child abuse….Hell, most americans probably get rubbed the wrong way by Amy Chua’s raising of a kid…..So ,yes I do have an issue when government overextends and starts to put rules/regulations/guidelines above common sense…I mean, it’s as if, it’s to “dumb things down” so anyone can do it…It doesn’t work that way…

It’s completely absurd in the serbian case that there are no charges of child abuse, no additional actions, and yet some random judge still thinks the parents are a threat to the kid….I mean, if this isn’t a complete miscarriage of justice, I don’t know what is….That judge frankly should be fired…But unfortunately, in the public sector, that just doesn’t happen….

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]A question for you flu.

Based on this sketchy evidence, I have no idea if the father actually committed any crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but from what’s been presented, it certainly doesn’t appear to be sufficient to remove the kids from the home. But my question is this….what if the evidence was all but uncontrovertable. Actual photos of dad molesting the kids? Would that have been sufficient for you to believe the kids should be removed from the home?

The reason I ask, is that it seems to me that often when people assail big government, the actual complaint is about bad government. Maybe power hungry social workers. Maybe someone honestly believing, without good evidence that a crime has been committed. Smaller wouldn’t necessarily be any better. Fewer social workers on the street would just as likely to have dangerous egos. Or be so overworked that they just make mistakes. Should CPS not have the power to do what they do? Or should they just be better at it?

(And as an aside, if this government employee really is a social worker, she’s making much more than minimum wage. Social workers are trained medical professionals, and are reasonably well paid, although last I saw the pay scales, those working in the public sector are paid below those in the private sector.)[/quote]

Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

Hmmm, I wonder what the qualifications are needed into to be a part of social services……….Call me elitist, but I bet I if you compare me to 10 other folks from social services, I’m pretty confident me as a parent would not nearly be as screwed up as as the remaining 10 social services employees…For instance, I don’t feed my kids nasty junk from McDonald’s or (insert your favorite donut shop) on a regular basis, which in my mind would be a form of child abuse….Hell, most americans probably get rubbed the wrong way by Amy Chua’s raising of a kid…..So ,yes I do have an issue when government overextends and starts to put rules/regulations/guidelines above common sense…I mean, it’s as if, it’s to “dumb things down” so anyone can do it…It doesn’t work that way…

It’s completely absurd in the serbian case that there are no charges of child abuse, no additional actions, and yet some random judge still thinks the parents are a threat to the kid….I mean, if this isn’t a complete miscarriage of justice, I don’t know what is….That judge frankly should be fired…But unfortunately, in the public sector, that just doesn’t happen….

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]
Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

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I’m not sure there was an answer to my question in there. Do you think that because of your belief that civil servants are usually unqualified, that CPS should be abolished? How about police and fire departments?

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]
Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

[/quote]

I’m not sure there was an answer to my question in there. Do you think that because of your belief that civil servants are usually unqualified, that CPS should be abolished? How about police and fire departments?

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]
Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

[/quote]

I’m not sure there was an answer to my question in there. Do you think that because of your belief that civil servants are usually unqualified, that CPS should be abolished? How about police and fire departments?

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]
Simple. I would beg to say that in most cases *most* public servants are *unqualified* to be in any meaningful role of authority to be making a call..Because at *best*, they are *average* humans like everyone else, and in most cases they are most likely not even up to that standard…And that even includes judges…..

[/quote]

I’m not sure there was an answer to my question in there. Do you think that because of your belief that civil servants are usually unqualified, that CPS should be abolished? How about police and fire departments?

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