OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[NotCranky]

I feel stuck between the problem of Homophobia and the problem of Homoagenda. My kids are learning the basic homophobic stuff at school, which we mitigate, but I don’t want the opposite extreme where the homosexuality is “great and normal message”, is being stealthily incorporated into their lives from political angles.

A person should not be trashed, as is happening on this thread,for disagreeing with that message because the message is rooted in emotional claims.There is a lot of evidence, pro and con, about how normal and great homosexuality is or not.

That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.

I would not object to teaching Gay civil rights History” but I would mitigate the agenda to change minds on the issue of homosexuality as much as the formal or informal one that promotes homophobia.

Of course now I will be called homophobic. The term, when overused is the same type of tool as “anti-semtic” or “uncle tom” or “nigger lover”.

I also don’t go along with the “cooties” thing and other stuff that nurtures gender riffs at the personal or societal level. How many ways do we want to be divided and conquered?

For those who hate poor people,forgive my poor writing skills. I am a high school drop out, but it has nothing to do with the silver spoon that was in my mouth when I was born.

[Shadowfax]

Rus,

FWIW, I think this was an open minded exposition of where you stand. It seems to fall into the “live and let live” even if I don’t approve of it camp. There are elements of both the homosexual community and the heterosexual community that I don’t particularly like to see displayed, but that isn’t really what this educational initialive is all about (from what I can tell). If you can abide with including them as a part of history, then we are on the same page.

But there does have to be some message that you can’t harass a kid because he identifies with a sexual preference, a race, a religion, etc. different from the majority. I don’t want to see muslim kids harassed by a predominantly christian (and, by those acts, predominantly hypocritical) majority. Same application to “gay kids.”

I would add that at a minimum until jr high school, most kids shouldn’t be and many can’t legitimately identify one way or the other… So the sexuality issue shouldn’t be part of the curriculum, aside from sex ed. Yes, this should be taught in school (as well as at home) because many parents can’t seem to find the time or the courage to talk to their kids about it. And knowledge keeps kids from doing something stupid…we hope.

[Shadowfax]

Rus,

FWIW, I think this was an open minded exposition of where you stand. It seems to fall into the “live and let live” even if I don’t approve of it camp. There are elements of both the homosexual community and the heterosexual community that I don’t particularly like to see displayed, but that isn’t really what this educational initialive is all about (from what I can tell). If you can abide with including them as a part of history, then we are on the same page.

But there does have to be some message that you can’t harass a kid because he identifies with a sexual preference, a race, a religion, etc. different from the majority. I don’t want to see muslim kids harassed by a predominantly christian (and, by those acts, predominantly hypocritical) majority. Same application to “gay kids.”

I would add that at a minimum until jr high school, most kids shouldn’t be and many can’t legitimately identify one way or the other… So the sexuality issue shouldn’t be part of the curriculum, aside from sex ed. Yes, this should be taught in school (as well as at home) because many parents can’t seem to find the time or the courage to talk to their kids about it. And knowledge keeps kids from doing something stupid…we hope.

[Shadowfax]

Rus,

FWIW, I think this was an open minded exposition of where you stand. It seems to fall into the “live and let live” even if I don’t approve of it camp. There are elements of both the homosexual community and the heterosexual community that I don’t particularly like to see displayed, but that isn’t really what this educational initialive is all about (from what I can tell). If you can abide with including them as a part of history, then we are on the same page.

But there does have to be some message that you can’t harass a kid because he identifies with a sexual preference, a race, a religion, etc. different from the majority. I don’t want to see muslim kids harassed by a predominantly christian (and, by those acts, predominantly hypocritical) majority. Same application to “gay kids.”

I would add that at a minimum until jr high school, most kids shouldn’t be and many can’t legitimately identify one way or the other… So the sexuality issue shouldn’t be part of the curriculum, aside from sex ed. Yes, this should be taught in school (as well as at home) because many parents can’t seem to find the time or the courage to talk to their kids about it. And knowledge keeps kids from doing something stupid…we hope.

[Shadowfax]

Rus,

FWIW, I think this was an open minded exposition of where you stand. It seems to fall into the “live and let live” even if I don’t approve of it camp. There are elements of both the homosexual community and the heterosexual community that I don’t particularly like to see displayed, but that isn’t really what this educational initialive is all about (from what I can tell). If you can abide with including them as a part of history, then we are on the same page.

But there does have to be some message that you can’t harass a kid because he identifies with a sexual preference, a race, a religion, etc. different from the majority. I don’t want to see muslim kids harassed by a predominantly christian (and, by those acts, predominantly hypocritical) majority. Same application to “gay kids.”

I would add that at a minimum until jr high school, most kids shouldn’t be and many can’t legitimately identify one way or the other… So the sexuality issue shouldn’t be part of the curriculum, aside from sex ed. Yes, this should be taught in school (as well as at home) because many parents can’t seem to find the time or the courage to talk to their kids about it. And knowledge keeps kids from doing something stupid…we hope.

[Shadowfax]

Rus,

FWIW, I think this was an open minded exposition of where you stand. It seems to fall into the “live and let live” even if I don’t approve of it camp. There are elements of both the homosexual community and the heterosexual community that I don’t particularly like to see displayed, but that isn’t really what this educational initialive is all about (from what I can tell). If you can abide with including them as a part of history, then we are on the same page.

But there does have to be some message that you can’t harass a kid because he identifies with a sexual preference, a race, a religion, etc. different from the majority. I don’t want to see muslim kids harassed by a predominantly christian (and, by those acts, predominantly hypocritical) majority. Same application to “gay kids.”

I would add that at a minimum until jr high school, most kids shouldn’t be and many can’t legitimately identify one way or the other… So the sexuality issue shouldn’t be part of the curriculum, aside from sex ed. Yes, this should be taught in school (as well as at home) because many parents can’t seem to find the time or the courage to talk to their kids about it. And knowledge keeps kids from doing something stupid…we hope.

[LA Reader]

[quote=Rustico]That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.
[/quote]

This is just insane… Do you really believe people can take a straight boy and turn him gay????? Seriously?

I am straight and I can tell you I’ve lusted after girls all my life. No amount of exposure to gay “indoctrination” at any age would’ve turned me gay. And I grew up with a lot of exposure to gays all my life.

Just ask yourself, do YOU think YOU could’ve been TURNED gay if you were exposed to gay “indoctrination” at an early age?

My guess is that for any straight male, the answer is absolute “NO”.

If your answer is “maybe” or “yes”….. well maybe you have somethings to explore…;-) You might have been playing on the wrong team your whole life.

[LA Reader]

[quote=Rustico]That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.
[/quote]

This is just insane… Do you really believe people can take a straight boy and turn him gay????? Seriously?

I am straight and I can tell you I’ve lusted after girls all my life. No amount of exposure to gay “indoctrination” at any age would’ve turned me gay. And I grew up with a lot of exposure to gays all my life.

Just ask yourself, do YOU think YOU could’ve been TURNED gay if you were exposed to gay “indoctrination” at an early age?

My guess is that for any straight male, the answer is absolute “NO”.

If your answer is “maybe” or “yes”….. well maybe you have somethings to explore…;-) You might have been playing on the wrong team your whole life.

[LA Reader]

[quote=Rustico]That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.
[/quote]

This is just insane… Do you really believe people can take a straight boy and turn him gay????? Seriously?

I am straight and I can tell you I’ve lusted after girls all my life. No amount of exposure to gay “indoctrination” at any age would’ve turned me gay. And I grew up with a lot of exposure to gays all my life.

Just ask yourself, do YOU think YOU could’ve been TURNED gay if you were exposed to gay “indoctrination” at an early age?

My guess is that for any straight male, the answer is absolute “NO”.

If your answer is “maybe” or “yes”….. well maybe you have somethings to explore…;-) You might have been playing on the wrong team your whole life.

[LA Reader]

[quote=Rustico]That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.
[/quote]

This is just insane… Do you really believe people can take a straight boy and turn him gay????? Seriously?

I am straight and I can tell you I’ve lusted after girls all my life. No amount of exposure to gay “indoctrination” at any age would’ve turned me gay. And I grew up with a lot of exposure to gays all my life.

Just ask yourself, do YOU think YOU could’ve been TURNED gay if you were exposed to gay “indoctrination” at an early age?

My guess is that for any straight male, the answer is absolute “NO”.

If your answer is “maybe” or “yes”….. well maybe you have somethings to explore…;-) You might have been playing on the wrong team your whole life.

[LA Reader]

[quote=Rustico]That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.
[/quote]

This is just insane… Do you really believe people can take a straight boy and turn him gay????? Seriously?

I am straight and I can tell you I’ve lusted after girls all my life. No amount of exposure to gay “indoctrination” at any age would’ve turned me gay. And I grew up with a lot of exposure to gays all my life.

Just ask yourself, do YOU think YOU could’ve been TURNED gay if you were exposed to gay “indoctrination” at an early age?

My guess is that for any straight male, the answer is absolute “NO”.

If your answer is “maybe” or “yes”….. well maybe you have somethings to explore…;-) You might have been playing on the wrong team your whole life.

[scaredyclassic]

I went to hs w a lot of gay guys in a metro theatre program. They were getting laid like crazy. Yet they could not persuade me to let them give me even one blowjob. Not even one. At least one pretty cute guy tried to persuade me that his technique was superior but I passed. Really. We just stuck to broadway show stuff and I struggled along w women. Now that was real attempted indoctrination!

[scaredyclassic]

I went to hs w a lot of gay guys in a metro theatre program. They were getting laid like crazy. Yet they could not persuade me to let them give me even one blowjob. Not even one. At least one pretty cute guy tried to persuade me that his technique was superior but I passed. Really. We just stuck to broadway show stuff and I struggled along w women. Now that was real attempted indoctrination!

[scaredyclassic]

I went to hs w a lot of gay guys in a metro theatre program. They were getting laid like crazy. Yet they could not persuade me to let them give me even one blowjob. Not even one. At least one pretty cute guy tried to persuade me that his technique was superior but I passed. Really. We just stuck to broadway show stuff and I struggled along w women. Now that was real attempted indoctrination!

[scaredyclassic]

I went to hs w a lot of gay guys in a metro theatre program. They were getting laid like crazy. Yet they could not persuade me to let them give me even one blowjob. Not even one. At least one pretty cute guy tried to persuade me that his technique was superior but I passed. Really. We just stuck to broadway show stuff and I struggled along w women. Now that was real attempted indoctrination!

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