OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[paramount]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]

True, so let’s essentially solve this issue with vouchers.

That won’t happen with Gov. Brown in office since he works for various public employee unions. In fact, I think the teachers union is behind this bill – nothing gets done in California without public employee unions’ consent.

[ucodegen]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]
And amazingly, this is the exact area that the U.S. educational system seems to be the weakest right now!! go figure.

I could also add reading/writing to the list too, because some of the ‘English’ I have heard/read lately can only be loosely called ‘English’. The subject matter of the written or spoken word might not be content neutral, but the ability to read with comprehension and to write clearly is.

Not to disparage those who have worked their ways up from ‘underclasses’.. but to have full coverage of every single ‘underclass’ and perceived “underclass”, it would take the next 100 years to have “social studies lessons” for all of those classes involved in the last 100 years. It also would not solve the ‘bullying’ that can occur. You actually have to address the mentality behind ‘bullying’, and this mentality is not because the feel ‘misunderstood’. It is because the ‘bully’ does it because they can.

Here is something else to think about. Do we have ‘ethnic studies’ of the Irish? Scottish? They were once an underclass during the founding of this nation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114144197

[ucodegen]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]
And amazingly, this is the exact area that the U.S. educational system seems to be the weakest right now!! go figure.

I could also add reading/writing to the list too, because some of the ‘English’ I have heard/read lately can only be loosely called ‘English’. The subject matter of the written or spoken word might not be content neutral, but the ability to read with comprehension and to write clearly is.

Not to disparage those who have worked their ways up from ‘underclasses’.. but to have full coverage of every single ‘underclass’ and perceived “underclass”, it would take the next 100 years to have “social studies lessons” for all of those classes involved in the last 100 years. It also would not solve the ‘bullying’ that can occur. You actually have to address the mentality behind ‘bullying’, and this mentality is not because the feel ‘misunderstood’. It is because the ‘bully’ does it because they can.

Here is something else to think about. Do we have ‘ethnic studies’ of the Irish? Scottish? They were once an underclass during the founding of this nation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114144197

[ucodegen]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]
And amazingly, this is the exact area that the U.S. educational system seems to be the weakest right now!! go figure.

I could also add reading/writing to the list too, because some of the ‘English’ I have heard/read lately can only be loosely called ‘English’. The subject matter of the written or spoken word might not be content neutral, but the ability to read with comprehension and to write clearly is.

Not to disparage those who have worked their ways up from ‘underclasses’.. but to have full coverage of every single ‘underclass’ and perceived “underclass”, it would take the next 100 years to have “social studies lessons” for all of those classes involved in the last 100 years. It also would not solve the ‘bullying’ that can occur. You actually have to address the mentality behind ‘bullying’, and this mentality is not because the feel ‘misunderstood’. It is because the ‘bully’ does it because they can.

Here is something else to think about. Do we have ‘ethnic studies’ of the Irish? Scottish? They were once an underclass during the founding of this nation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114144197

[ucodegen]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]
And amazingly, this is the exact area that the U.S. educational system seems to be the weakest right now!! go figure.

I could also add reading/writing to the list too, because some of the ‘English’ I have heard/read lately can only be loosely called ‘English’. The subject matter of the written or spoken word might not be content neutral, but the ability to read with comprehension and to write clearly is.

Not to disparage those who have worked their ways up from ‘underclasses’.. but to have full coverage of every single ‘underclass’ and perceived “underclass”, it would take the next 100 years to have “social studies lessons” for all of those classes involved in the last 100 years. It also would not solve the ‘bullying’ that can occur. You actually have to address the mentality behind ‘bullying’, and this mentality is not because the feel ‘misunderstood’. It is because the ‘bully’ does it because they can.

Here is something else to think about. Do we have ‘ethnic studies’ of the Irish? Scottish? They were once an underclass during the founding of this nation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114144197

[ucodegen]

[quote=walterwhite]Other than math and science, it’s difficult for me to visualize a content neutral curriculum.[/quote]
And amazingly, this is the exact area that the U.S. educational system seems to be the weakest right now!! go figure.

I could also add reading/writing to the list too, because some of the ‘English’ I have heard/read lately can only be loosely called ‘English’. The subject matter of the written or spoken word might not be content neutral, but the ability to read with comprehension and to write clearly is.

Not to disparage those who have worked their ways up from ‘underclasses’.. but to have full coverage of every single ‘underclass’ and perceived “underclass”, it would take the next 100 years to have “social studies lessons” for all of those classes involved in the last 100 years. It also would not solve the ‘bullying’ that can occur. You actually have to address the mentality behind ‘bullying’, and this mentality is not because the feel ‘misunderstood’. It is because the ‘bully’ does it because they can.

Here is something else to think about. Do we have ‘ethnic studies’ of the Irish? Scottish? They were once an underclass during the founding of this nation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114144197

[Arraya]

Once an underclass?

, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects—social class. Combining recollection, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots–Irish family to chronicle the often-heartbreaking post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated post-war shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[Arraya]

Once an underclass?

, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects—social class. Combining recollection, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots–Irish family to chronicle the often-heartbreaking post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated post-war shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[Arraya]

Once an underclass?

, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects—social class. Combining recollection, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots–Irish family to chronicle the often-heartbreaking post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated post-war shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[Arraya]

Once an underclass?

, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects—social class. Combining recollection, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots–Irish family to chronicle the often-heartbreaking post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated post-war shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[Arraya]

Once an underclass?

, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects—social class. Combining recollection, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots–Irish family to chronicle the often-heartbreaking post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated post-war shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[NotCranky]

I feel stuck between the problem of Homophobia and the problem of Homoagenda. My kids are learning the basic homophobic stuff at school, which we mitigate, but I don’t want the opposite extreme where the homosexuality is “great and normal message”, is being stealthily incorporated into their lives from political angles.

A person should not be trashed, as is happening on this thread,for disagreeing with that message because the message is rooted in emotional claims.There is a lot of evidence, pro and con, about how normal and great homosexuality is or not.

That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.

I would not object to teaching Gay civil rights History” but I would mitigate the agenda to change minds on the issue of homosexuality as much as the formal or informal one that promotes homophobia.

Of course now I will be called homophobic. The term, when overused is the same type of tool as “anti-semtic” or “uncle tom” or “nigger lover”.

I also don’t go along with the “cooties” thing and other stuff that nurtures gender riffs at the personal or societal level. How many ways do we want to be divided and conquered?

For those who hate poor people,forgive my poor writing skills. I am a high school drop out, but it has nothing to do with the silver spoon that was in my mouth when I was born.

[NotCranky]

I feel stuck between the problem of Homophobia and the problem of Homoagenda. My kids are learning the basic homophobic stuff at school, which we mitigate, but I don’t want the opposite extreme where the homosexuality is “great and normal message”, is being stealthily incorporated into their lives from political angles.

A person should not be trashed, as is happening on this thread,for disagreeing with that message because the message is rooted in emotional claims.There is a lot of evidence, pro and con, about how normal and great homosexuality is or not.

That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.

I would not object to teaching Gay civil rights History” but I would mitigate the agenda to change minds on the issue of homosexuality as much as the formal or informal one that promotes homophobia.

Of course now I will be called homophobic. The term, when overused is the same type of tool as “anti-semtic” or “uncle tom” or “nigger lover”.

I also don’t go along with the “cooties” thing and other stuff that nurtures gender riffs at the personal or societal level. How many ways do we want to be divided and conquered?

For those who hate poor people,forgive my poor writing skills. I am a high school drop out, but it has nothing to do with the silver spoon that was in my mouth when I was born.

[NotCranky]

I feel stuck between the problem of Homophobia and the problem of Homoagenda. My kids are learning the basic homophobic stuff at school, which we mitigate, but I don’t want the opposite extreme where the homosexuality is “great and normal message”, is being stealthily incorporated into their lives from political angles.

A person should not be trashed, as is happening on this thread,for disagreeing with that message because the message is rooted in emotional claims.There is a lot of evidence, pro and con, about how normal and great homosexuality is or not.

That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.

I would not object to teaching Gay civil rights History” but I would mitigate the agenda to change minds on the issue of homosexuality as much as the formal or informal one that promotes homophobia.

Of course now I will be called homophobic. The term, when overused is the same type of tool as “anti-semtic” or “uncle tom” or “nigger lover”.

I also don’t go along with the “cooties” thing and other stuff that nurtures gender riffs at the personal or societal level. How many ways do we want to be divided and conquered?

For those who hate poor people,forgive my poor writing skills. I am a high school drop out, but it has nothing to do with the silver spoon that was in my mouth when I was born.

[NotCranky]

I feel stuck between the problem of Homophobia and the problem of Homoagenda. My kids are learning the basic homophobic stuff at school, which we mitigate, but I don’t want the opposite extreme where the homosexuality is “great and normal message”, is being stealthily incorporated into their lives from political angles.

A person should not be trashed, as is happening on this thread,for disagreeing with that message because the message is rooted in emotional claims.There is a lot of evidence, pro and con, about how normal and great homosexuality is or not.

That’s different than saying there are a lot of great homosexuals, which or course there are. While I think potential for crossing over is very human,I think to some extent, and in many cases blatantly, gays were indoctrinated into their orientation and I do not want to willfully expand that system of indoctrination.

I would not object to teaching Gay civil rights History” but I would mitigate the agenda to change minds on the issue of homosexuality as much as the formal or informal one that promotes homophobia.

Of course now I will be called homophobic. The term, when overused is the same type of tool as “anti-semtic” or “uncle tom” or “nigger lover”.

I also don’t go along with the “cooties” thing and other stuff that nurtures gender riffs at the personal or societal level. How many ways do we want to be divided and conquered?

For those who hate poor people,forgive my poor writing skills. I am a high school drop out, but it has nothing to do with the silver spoon that was in my mouth when I was born.

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