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June 4, 2016 at 7:32 PM #798336June 4, 2016 at 8:04 PM #798339
FlyerInHi
GuestSk, If I remember, the context is someone said that Black culture was fucked up and that needs to be acknowledged without being PC. I think all cultures are fucked up to an extent.
Presumptious and contemptuous, not so humble, sure.
The larger context is the Trump vernacular, and the cultural argument that Christianity is superior that’s embraced by a large percent of the population You can’t ignore it and play nicy nice. Some people just deserve contempt.
June 4, 2016 at 8:13 PM #798340Guest[quote=SK in CV]
But that said, I’ve survived just fine, being surrounded by 30% of the population that:A: Think gay people choose to be gay
B: Think the bible is the literal word of god
C: Think evolution never happened
D: Think global warming isn’t happening or isn’t the result of human action
E: Can’t find the pacific ocean on a map
F: Think Fox News is actually news
[/quote]To put it in the Trump vernacular:
Man I tell ya, those guys are stupid pea brains. They are zero, I mean zero.
I wouldn’t have them working on my apartments.I love the Mexicans. They work hard. They have good spirit and family values.
I’d rather have the Mexicans working in my apartments. But when I have guests, I want classy, beautiful Eastern Europeans.June 4, 2016 at 8:17 PM #798341
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Is it really a surprise? You act like Trump finally unmasked the Republican base. Either you guys are in denial or not very perceptive.
It was always there. The democrats repudiated the nativist racists decades ago and they moved over to the republican party in the southern strategy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategyTrump is just the culmination of republican politics.
And trust me, there is plenty of anger against legal immigrants because of economic jealousy as the native Whites don’t like getting leaped over by smarter immigrants. I’ve talked to people from Eastern Europe who feel the anger also. Native, non colleges educated White people just don’t like smart multicultural people who speak multiple languages, who are global citizens and keep in touch with their home countries.
Immigration is now global in the age of jet travel and Internet. People no longer come to America to assimilate to English only and cut-off contact with their home countries. If anything, immigrants look for trade and economic opportunities, and marriage across borders.[/quote]
This is where I respectfully disagree..There are plenty of moderate republicans in the state of CA that have pretty decent values…For the most part of CA, a moderate republican is really almost equivalent to a normal democrat elsewhere in the U.S. In fact, in certain parts of the U.S., I’d say certain democrats are far more hostile towards some of us minorities than moderate republicans in CA…
This once size fits all labeling of republicans (or democrats) as far as I’m concerned is pretty broad-stroking…That said, if you want to paint all republicans right now as all being the bad guy, that’s fine with me….We sort of earned that title in recent days.
That said, where I live, everyone is pretty much a professional, so it hasn’t really been an issue of contention. Like I said, most people understand the difference between right and wrong and acceptable behavior or not.
But hey, if folks want to follow in Trump’s footsteps and teach their kids the reason why they lost a basketball game to a team that was predominantly african american was because the referee was unfair because he was black, well you can’t fix stupid. I’ll just make note of who those people are, have nothing to do with them in real life, and move on.
I didn’t use to care about politics as much, but I actually took the time and started looking at what each and every candidate has said, which has definitely been an eye opener….
June 4, 2016 at 8:19 PM #798342SK in CV
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Sk, If I remember, the context is someone said that Black culture was fucked up and that needs to be acknowledged without being PC. I think all cultures are fucked up to an extent.
Presumptious and contemptuous, not so humble, sure.
The larger context is the Trump vernacular, and the cultural argument that Christianity is superior that’s embraced by a large percent of the population You can’t ignore it and play nicy nice. Some people just deserve contempt.[/quote]
As I said, I can’t figure out a context where this:
“Yes, criminals and many blacks have a culture of insolence and confrontation. ”isn’t racist. What blacks? The blacks in logan heights? The blacks from Somalia that live in south central Phoenix? Those from urban Detroit? Or Memphis? That you think there is such culture in the black community, that is significantly different than the thousands of white, brown, and Asian communities is mind-blowing. Have you ever spent any time in Philly? In South Boston?
June 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM #798343Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I love the Mexicans. They work hard. They have good spirit and family values.
I’d rather have the Mexicans working in my apartments. But when I have guests, I want classy, beautiful Eastern Europeans.[/quote]Stop already. You’ve proved you’re racist.
June 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM #798344Anonymous
Guest[quote=SK in CV]I missed those words the first time around. The first two I don’t find racist, absent context. The first one is just presumptuous and wrong. The last one is racist by itself. I can’t imagine any context that would help.[/quote]
A perfect example of why Trump has so much support.
Many blacks do have a culture of insolence and confrontation. In fact insolence and confrontation are some of the defining characteristics of urban black culture.
Many on the left pretend this culture doesn’t exist. Most can conveniently ignore it, as they rarely encounter it. They have the luxury if sitting on their moral high-horses and being offended in the name of “people of color” when somebody observes the obvious.
Trump gets away with his ignorance and contradictions because in so many ways they are far less absurd than the positions of SJWs on the left.
June 4, 2016 at 8:48 PM #798345Guest[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]
I love the Mexicans. They work hard. They have good spirit and family values.
I’d rather have the Mexicans working in my apartments. But when I have guests, I want classy, beautiful Eastern Europeans.[/quote]Stop already. You’ve proved you’re racist.[/quote]
I know you must be really excited because someone apparently gave you a wonderful opportunity to jump on your high horse and call them a racist.
I don’t know what the world would do without the SJWs like yourself protecting us from intolerance and otherwise impure thought.
But, just so ya know, FlyerInHi was paraphrasing Trump in the post that you (mis)quoted.
How do I know? He said so in the very first sentence. The sentence that you conveniently deleted in your citation.
Try working on that reading comprehension.
June 4, 2016 at 9:00 PM #798346Participant[quote=harvey][quote=SK in CV]I missed those words the first time around. The first two I don’t find racist, absent context. The first one is just presumptuous and wrong. The last one is racist by itself. I can’t imagine any context that would help.[/quote]
A perfect example of why Trump has so much support.
Many blacks do have a culture of insolence and confrontation. In fact insolence and confrontation are some of the defining characteristics of urban black culture.
Many on the left pretend this culture doesn’t exist. Most can conveniently ignore it, as they rarely encounter it. They have the luxury if sitting on their moral high-horses and being offended in the name of “people of color” when somebody observes the obvious.
Trump gets away with his ignorance and contradictions because in so many ways they are far less absurd than the positions of SJWs on the left.[/quote]
JFC. “Many blacks do have a culture of insolence and confrontation.”? It’s not culture. There’s more than 35 million people in the US with black skin. Many blacks are insolent and confrontational. Many whites are insolent and confrontational. Many urban punks who grow up on the street are insolent and confrontational. Many Hispanic kids in south central LA are insolent and confrontational. No, it’s not a race thing. There are not millions black parents across the country teaching their kids to be insolent and confrontational. It is not part of “their culture”.
And your use of the SJW is revealing. It’s most current origin is punk asshole anarcho-capitalists on reddit post gamergate. It’s worthless. It makes every word you utter on the subject worth dismissing.
June 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM #798347bearishgurl
Participant[quote=flu] . . . But hey, if folks want to follow in Trump’s footsteps and teach their kids the reason why they lost a basketball game to a team that was predominantly african american was because the referee was unfair because he was black, well you can’t fix stupid. I’ll just make note of who those people are, have nothing to do with them in real life, and move on.
I didn’t use to care about politics as much, but I actually took the time and started looking at what each and every candidate has said, which has definitely been an eye opener….[/quote]flu, in the italicized portion of your post, were you referring to Trump’s remarks about Judge Curiel at CASD?
June 4, 2016 at 9:38 PM #798354Guestflu, sure there are plenty of decent Republicans, but decent people speak up. You guys enabled the culture of obstruction and the nativist populism that is Trump
June 4, 2016 at 9:46 PM #798355CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]flu, sure there are plenty of decent Republicans, but decent people speak up. You guys enabled the culture of obstruction and the nativist populism that is Trump[/quote]
Well, some of “us republicans” do, I agree. Just like some “democrats” enable cronyism on wall street, and some “democrats” enable anti-asian bashing as well. Let the judgement be on a case by case basis, as it should be…Personally, it would be great if we could jettison the 2-party systems completely. But that’s not reality.
Hate aside, what it’s starting to look like is that Trump appears to be mentally unstable..Just an observation.
June 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM #798358Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]
flu, by your recent posts on this thread and others, you seem to the reader to be developing a chip on your shoulder as it applies to the Trump candidacy where there shouldn’t be. That’s on you … NOT Trump. Maybe you, too, SK. [/quote]I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Do I think Trump is a horrible candidate? Absolutely. Do I think every single person who supports him is a complete idiot? Absolutely. The worst candidate in my lifetime from either major party. Worse by an order of magnitude. For a dozen or more reasons. His lack of experience. His lack of the right temperament. His ignorance of the law. His lack of ideas. His lack of curiosity. His disdain for knowledge. His bullying tactics. His racism. His misogyny. His lack of respect for the office. His lack of respect for the press. There’s a dozen I typed without hesitation in a minute or so. But a chip on my shoulder? It’s hardly necessary for me to be critical of his candidacy.[/quote]
Your (bolded) statement is indicative of you “developing a chip on your shoulder,” imho. You could easily find yourself surrounded by “complete idiots” in the space of just a very few days to a few months. Methinks that’s a limiting posture to take and could severely limit your day to day activities and the people you associate with. But if that kind of life suits you, far be it from me to judge.[/quote]
I didn’t bold any words. You did. In my not the least bit humble opinion, the words mean exactly what they say. And your bolding them, and describing them as you have, are indicative, (again, in my not the least bit humble opinion) of you having no clue what “chip on your shoulder” means.
I think the likelihood of Trump winning is miniscule. But that said, I’ve survived just fine, being surrounded by 30% of the population that:
A: Think gay people choose to be gay
B: Think the bible is the literal word of god
C: Think evolution never happened
D: Think global warming isn’t happening or isn’t the result of human action
E: Can’t find the pacific ocean on a map
F: Think Fox News is actually newsThanks for your concern.[/quote]
Wow, SK, I’ve noticed over the years that plenty of “zonies” know how to find Pacific Beach (SD) just fine. I’m disappointed to hear that your peeps in AZ are as “unenlightened” and ignorant as you say they are.
[quote=SK in CV]BTW, exactly what policy of Trump’s that he’s actually presented for, is it that you like? Can you point me to the actual plan?[/quote]I’d love to discuss this with you, but I’ve asked you already 2-3 times on the “Everything Hillary” thread how long YOU think it will take for a (yet unfiled) Federal District Court civil rights case to wind its way to the Supreme Court, get accepted, get heard and obtain an opinion. You can start with a case from our very own (ultra-crowded calendar) CASD/9th Circuit and post your response over there.
If I understood you correctly on the “Everything Hillary” thread, you stated that there are 4 SC justices left (exclusive of J. Ginsburg) who would support women’s issues:
http://piggington.com/ot_everything_hillary#comment-268249
However, two of them are 78 and 79 years old but as far as you know, they don’t have any major health issues as of the present.
I don’t see the urgency that you do re: stacking the panel with the “right” justices to support women’s issues when there doesn’t seem to be any relevant cases currently in the pipeline anywhere in the country which the Supreme Court might be interested in hearing. I see Trump being allowed to replace Scalia and Ginsburg, which I’ll explain further in that thread. As I stated before, he may be out of office by January 2021 (at the age of 74) should he become our next POTUS. And Trump has stated publicly several times that he cares very much about women’s health issues.
I haven’t yet had the chance to research the names on Trump’s “SC nominee” list but I suspect that up to half of them are actually “moderates” and IIRC, at least two of them were women.
As far as “birth control” and early term abortion ever being outlawed, I just don’t see that constellation.
June 4, 2016 at 10:05 PM #798357Guestflu, I agree with you to some degree.
But the “enabling” is not symmetrical. Democrats have not produced a nativist populist anti-immigrant demagogue like Trump.
Think back to the support for pea-brain redneck Sarah Palin. You guys enabled a retrograde culture. Where did you think that would lead?
Even on economic issues, you guys gave up wealth and economic growth by opposing Obama proposals that economists across the spectrum endorsed. It’s scary when money conscious people are willing to accept economic malaise just to block Obama. Where was the Republican business community? Someone said that’s because Obama is black; and I agree it’s racism. Where did you think that would lead?
On TPP, Obama really stuck his neck out and went against protectionist Democrats. Now Trump is against TPP, and Republicans are falling into line. Where is the business community?
I could go on….
June 4, 2016 at 10:09 PM #798359Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
Wow, SK, I’ve noticed over the years that plenty of “zonies” know how to find Pacific Beach (SD) just fine. I’m disappointed to hear that your peeps in AZ are as “unenlightened” and ignorant as you say they are.
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That’s not Arizona people. That’s the entire country.
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