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June 7, 2016 at 1:43 PM #798493June 7, 2016 at 1:58 PM #798494
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Participant[quote=no_such_reality]That says nothing. And we aren’t going to let people die in the street so it’s empty prattle. There’s a reason why they got less than 1%.[/quote]John & Weld got 11% on the latest pole. But whatever, most of the country are independents and both Hillary and Trump have >50% unfavorable rating, so we’ll get there eventually. I don’t expect Libertarian party to win over night. But 11% is a lot more than 1%. I definitely see a lot more coverage of the Libertarian party in the MSM this cycle. Which is great.
June 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM #798495no_such_reality
ParticipantLOL, 11% when polled by IBD and when presented as a third choice to two unpopular candidates.
Come election day, people will see about 8 candidates. They wonder who the ____ are six of them.
I’ve looked at the LP over the years. Sounds good on paper until you really start to think about it.
June 7, 2016 at 2:32 PM #798498
CoronitaParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]Huh? I was answering the notion that Asians are natural Republicans. I provided data to show that in 2008, they were not, except for Vietnamese Americans. Maybe Asians are Republicans when they live in non predominantly Asian areas, but there is no data to prove that.
On the democratic side, Asians are being won over by Sanders according to several reports by John Yang of PBS which I watch everyday.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/can-bernie-sanders-pull-off-upset-win-over-hillary-clinton-in-california/%5B/quote%5DYou tried to draw a line between social economic vs party affiliation. That line doesn’t really exist. You’re also assuming all Asians are the same, so it must be their social-economic status that’s determining their party affiliation and also explain why certain group are anti-communism vs another. To phrase it another way… “You guys all look the same”.
[/quote]We are talking demographics here. People are lumped into groups for that purpose.
Read the wapo article. “Natural Republicans” implies higher social economic status. But that’s not happening with Asian Americans. As they have become more educated and richer, they have shifted to democrats. The article addresses that point.
Btw, another group that should be natural republicans are Jews. But they are not because of education and academia.[/quote]Could it possibly be that Republican have been taken over by bible thumpers and most Asians are not Christians? Could it be the reason why Vietnamese-American are more anti-communism is because those who are here feel that they lost their country to communism while other Asians did not? Point is, you can’t paint all Asian with the same brush. There are a lot of nuances that you seem to not understand. We all are not the same.[/quote]
The Bible thumpers aren’t the worst imho, because usually they are contained in their own geographical location and if the GOP puts an ultra conservative Bible thumping candidate, that would never work, and they know that. Trump is this slippery slope in that while he isn’t a Bible thumper, he’s just flat out nuts and mentally unstable. I mean, he’s a lot like Donald Sterling in his outbursts. it would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that he’d have the finger on the nuclear button.[/quote]
no actual button. don’t worry.
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/12/15/button-isnt/%5B/quote%5D
Yes it was tongue and cheek. Figuratively speaking.
June 7, 2016 at 4:22 PM #798500Participant[quote=no_such_reality]LOL, 11% when polled by IBD and when presented as a third choice to two unpopular candidates.
Come election day, people will see about 8 candidates. They wonder who the ____ are six of them.
I’ve looked at the LP over the years. Sounds good on paper until you really start to think about it.[/quote]So, what you’re saying is I should sell my soul to vote for one of the 2 crappiest option ever in my life time, just because they’re part of the two most popular party? If I’m gonna sell me soul and do that, might as well go with the guy that get my richer (Trump). Yeah, thanks but no thanks. I was never a follower and follow the popular kids.
June 7, 2016 at 4:42 PM #798501FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=SK in CV]The whole report is here:
http://aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Inclusion-2016-AAVS-may23web.pdf
Curious whether Asians on the board have seen it and have any feedback on the results. My first reaction was that I was surprised at how similar (with some exceptions) the results were across countries of origin. But I’m just a white guy without much insight on the subject, so data is all I have.[/quote]
I just scanned through the report, and on page 12, I was surprised to see that Vietnamese Americans have 46% preference for Sanders (the highest amount the Asian groups) vs 24% for Clinton.
I was always under the impression that Vietnamese-Americans were staunchly anti-communists and could not stand even a whiff of socialism. Maybe the younger generations are taking over, or influencing the elders. Of course, since the late 1990s there has been more immigration from communist Vietnam and that might have diluted the power of the earlier refugees.
Among all Asians (page 13) native born (54%) and under 34 group (61%) seem to love Sanders.
On page 21, we see that democrats hold a big advantage on the environment. Among my Asian connections, it seems like food safety is very important. Even Chinese people from China don’t like to buy stuff made in china because the products could be tainted.
Page 28 shows identification as democrat strongest among Japanese 62% and lowest with Vietnamese 28%. no surprise there.
June 7, 2016 at 4:47 PM #798502SK in CV
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I was always under the impression that Vietnamese-Americans were staunchly anti-communists and could not stand even a whiff of socialism. [/quote]Or it might just be because they pay attention. And they know that Bernie Sanders’ version of democratic socialism has zero resemblance to communism in Viet Nam. So support of Sanders and being staunchly anti-communist are not the least bit mutually exclusive.
June 7, 2016 at 5:11 PM #798505Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I just scanned through the report, and on page 12, I was surprised to see that Vietnamese Americans have 46% preference for Sanders (the highest amount the Asian groups) vs 24% for Clinton.
I was always under the impression that Vietnamese-Americans were staunchly anti-communists and could not stand even a whiff of socialism. Maybe the younger generations are taking over, or influencing the elders. Of course, since the late 1990s there has been more immigration from communist Vietnam and that might have diluted the power of the earlier refugees.
Among all Asians (page 13) native born (54%) and under 34 group (61%) seem to love Sanders.
On page 21, we see that democrats hold a big advantage on the environment. Among my Asian connections, it seems like food safety is very important. Even Chinese people from China don’t like to buy stuff made in china because the products could be tainted.
Page 28 shows identification as democrat strongest among Japanese 62% and lowest with Vietnamese 28%. no surprise there.[/quote]
Simple math… 46% of 28% is 12.8%. 12.8% is small enough where it can be easily explained that 12.8% are probably 2nd or 3rd generation. Which mean they’re no different than any other American.June 7, 2016 at 8:00 PM #798514ocrenter
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]OCr, are you sure Asian-Americans are natural republicans? I have read that long time Asian Americans in the Bay Area and Hawaii were democrats. Hawaii for sure.
The Vietnamese were stauncly republicans because Gerald Ford, by executive order, allowed refugees into the country despite popular protest. But that’s changing with the younger generations.
Maybe Chinese immigrants from Taiwan and immigrants fleeing the cultural revolution lean republican because of anti communism. But again that’s changing with the younger generations.
Cubans were the most diehard republicans, more than any group, but they are turning democrat.
Seems to me like anti communism is not the number 1 issue anymore. Maybe we can look at precinct data from Asian areas from the last presidential and compare to this November.[/quote]
Natural republicans in regard to views in regard to limitation in government’s role and personal responsibility in one’s own success.
Of course, this is a very general stereotype. And certainly have eroded throughout the last decade or so as the GOP cry of limited government has proven to be hollow with its support of intrusive government in personal rights, big government in anything defense related, and lastly just an overall racist feel to the entire party.
June 7, 2016 at 8:03 PM #798515Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]
I was always under the impression that Vietnamese-Americans were staunchly anti-communists and could not stand even a whiff of socialism. [/quote]Or it might just be because they pay attention. And they know that Bernie Sanders’ version of democratic socialism has zero resemblance to communism in Viet Nam. So support of Sanders and being staunchly anti-communist are not the least bit mutually exclusive.[/quote]
Plus the label of socialism and communism have been so overused here that they have lost all meaningful sting and is more of a joke than anything. For example, Obamacare is communism? LOL.
June 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM #798530enron_by_the_sea
Participant[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (Alpine) was the first congressman to (enthusiastically) endorse Trump.
Rep. Darrel Issa (Vista) recently endorsed Trump[/quote]
Darrell Issa barely beat his opponent in yesterday’s primary for CA-49 congressional district (48.85%-47.86%). I would like to think that the Trump endorsement hurt him.
It will be interesting to see what happens between now and general election. This seat may be prime opprtunity for flip this November for Dems!
June 8, 2016 at 9:06 PM #798532ParticipantScott Peters won with 51% of the vote in 2014 and got 58% yesterday.
June 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM #798538Guest[quote=AN]Scott Peters won with 51% of the vote in 2014 and got 58% yesterday.[/quote]
Trump will have a very positive effect down ballot for Democrats.
June 9, 2016 at 8:05 AM #798541livinincali
Participant[quote=AN]Scott Peters won with 51% of the vote in 2014 and got 58% yesterday.[/quote]
In 2014 I knew Carl DeMaio was running for that seat. This year I didn’t even know the republican challenger was Denise Gitsham until I just looked it up. Maybe you guys are right that Trump is going to be good for democrats but I still think it’s a little too early to tell.
June 9, 2016 at 8:28 AM #798543UCGal
ParticipantBack to the original topic:
Gaspar (GOP candidate for county supervisor) voted for trump.
Last night at the GOP election party, @KristinGaspar explained to me why she cast her vote for @realDonaldTrump. pic.twitter.com/X5lXy5zaEO
— Andrew Bowen (he/him) (@acbowen) June 8, 2016
For those curious about Denise Gitsham – the 2nd place finisher to Scott Peters – she is a former cast member of The Bachelor.
http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/bachelor-spoilers-speculation/72845-denise-spoilers.html
This is the year for reality tv stars running for office… Bachelor and Apprentice.
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