OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While?

[Zeitgeist]

You are as believable to me as Joseph Goebbels. You conveniently pick and choose which scientist to pimp and which to debunk. In the 70’s the media was wringing their hands about global cooling. What gives? How will cap and trade solve anything when some of the biggest polluters, China and India refuse to go along with it? They want to grow their economy, not crash it. You libs are priceless. Keep clinging to your crazy ideas and see if they get your party elected during the next election cycle. Do the green jobs created even begin to replace all the jobs that we are losing? Hope and change, not.

[Arraya]

Those communist scientists are trying to impinge our right to prosperity. (sarcasm off)

Leave politics and economics out of this. Which are BOTH belief systems just like a religion and the OPPOSITE of science by definition.

The bottom line is this:

1) increase in CO2 and greehouse gases has been measured, and is clearly due to human activities thanks to measurements.

2) increase in greenhouse effect in upper atmosphere is measured and is as predicted.

This is not theory, these are observed facts.

It is hence, physically impossible by the laws of physics for the climate not to change.

Is the tax and crap bill a scheme to make up for budget shortfalls and enrich a few? Yup. 99% percent of public policy is for upwards distribution of wealth and keeping our asses in line.

Is Fat Al being the champion of the environment as hypocritical as GW being a human rights advocate? Yup. Such is the nature of politics. They are all lying schemers.

Is our economy, the way we know it, doomed? Absolutely. And there is nothing anybody can do about it. The new energy tax will be like kicking us while we are down.

Now back to 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson. Go back to sleep america, your government is in control…

[Arraya]

Those communist scientists are trying to impinge our right to prosperity. (sarcasm off)

Leave politics and economics out of this. Which are BOTH belief systems just like a religion and the OPPOSITE of science by definition.

The bottom line is this:

1) increase in CO2 and greehouse gases has been measured, and is clearly due to human activities thanks to measurements.

2) increase in greenhouse effect in upper atmosphere is measured and is as predicted.

This is not theory, these are observed facts.

It is hence, physically impossible by the laws of physics for the climate not to change.

Is the tax and crap bill a scheme to make up for budget shortfalls and enrich a few? Yup. 99% percent of public policy is for upwards distribution of wealth and keeping our asses in line.

Is Fat Al being the champion of the environment as hypocritical as GW being a human rights advocate? Yup. Such is the nature of politics. They are all lying schemers.

Is our economy, the way we know it, doomed? Absolutely. And there is nothing anybody can do about it. The new energy tax will be like kicking us while we are down.

Now back to 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson. Go back to sleep america, your government is in control…

[Arraya]

Those communist scientists are trying to impinge our right to prosperity. (sarcasm off)

Leave politics and economics out of this. Which are BOTH belief systems just like a religion and the OPPOSITE of science by definition.

The bottom line is this:

1) increase in CO2 and greehouse gases has been measured, and is clearly due to human activities thanks to measurements.

2) increase in greenhouse effect in upper atmosphere is measured and is as predicted.

This is not theory, these are observed facts.

It is hence, physically impossible by the laws of physics for the climate not to change.

Is the tax and crap bill a scheme to make up for budget shortfalls and enrich a few? Yup. 99% percent of public policy is for upwards distribution of wealth and keeping our asses in line.

Is Fat Al being the champion of the environment as hypocritical as GW being a human rights advocate? Yup. Such is the nature of politics. They are all lying schemers.

Is our economy, the way we know it, doomed? Absolutely. And there is nothing anybody can do about it. The new energy tax will be like kicking us while we are down.

Now back to 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson. Go back to sleep america, your government is in control…

[Arraya]

Those communist scientists are trying to impinge our right to prosperity. (sarcasm off)

Leave politics and economics out of this. Which are BOTH belief systems just like a religion and the OPPOSITE of science by definition.

The bottom line is this:

1) increase in CO2 and greehouse gases has been measured, and is clearly due to human activities thanks to measurements.

2) increase in greenhouse effect in upper atmosphere is measured and is as predicted.

This is not theory, these are observed facts.

It is hence, physically impossible by the laws of physics for the climate not to change.

Is the tax and crap bill a scheme to make up for budget shortfalls and enrich a few? Yup. 99% percent of public policy is for upwards distribution of wealth and keeping our asses in line.

Is Fat Al being the champion of the environment as hypocritical as GW being a human rights advocate? Yup. Such is the nature of politics. They are all lying schemers.

Is our economy, the way we know it, doomed? Absolutely. And there is nothing anybody can do about it. The new energy tax will be like kicking us while we are down.

Now back to 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson. Go back to sleep america, your government is in control…

[Arraya]

Those communist scientists are trying to impinge our right to prosperity. (sarcasm off)

Leave politics and economics out of this. Which are BOTH belief systems just like a religion and the OPPOSITE of science by definition.

The bottom line is this:

1) increase in CO2 and greehouse gases has been measured, and is clearly due to human activities thanks to measurements.

2) increase in greenhouse effect in upper atmosphere is measured and is as predicted.

This is not theory, these are observed facts.

It is hence, physically impossible by the laws of physics for the climate not to change.

Is the tax and crap bill a scheme to make up for budget shortfalls and enrich a few? Yup. 99% percent of public policy is for upwards distribution of wealth and keeping our asses in line.

Is Fat Al being the champion of the environment as hypocritical as GW being a human rights advocate? Yup. Such is the nature of politics. They are all lying schemers.

Is our economy, the way we know it, doomed? Absolutely. And there is nothing anybody can do about it. The new energy tax will be like kicking us while we are down.

Now back to 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson. Go back to sleep america, your government is in control…

[air_ogi]

Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact.

[air_ogi]

Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact.

[air_ogi]

Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact.

[air_ogi]

Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact.

[air_ogi]

Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

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