OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While?

[Veritas]

Something has to give. The insanity is unsustainable. Allan, where would you live if you did not live in Fallbrook?

[blahblahblah]

Al Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.

Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.

Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…

[blahblahblah]

Al Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.

Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.

Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…

[blahblahblah]

Al Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.

Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.

Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…

[blahblahblah]

Al Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.

Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.

Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…

[blahblahblah]

Al Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.

Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.

Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…

[Eugene]

[quote]The Congressional Budget Office states that this would amount to a $175 tax on each American household (starting in 2020).[/quote]

To put it differently, overall net costs would average 0.2 percent of households’ after-tax income, or 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.[/quote]

I heard that somewhere. Oh wait. I heard that from Bush Jr. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. We won’t be able to pressure China and India unless we lead by example. And it does not cost us $1600/household to do that. It only costs 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.[/quote]

Isn’t it a bit of a stretch to call this a “tax on breathing”? A ten mile trip in an average car creates as much CO2 as an adult person in a whole week.

[Eugene]

[quote]The Congressional Budget Office states that this would amount to a $175 tax on each American household (starting in 2020).[/quote]

To put it differently, overall net costs would average 0.2 percent of households’ after-tax income, or 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.[/quote]

I heard that somewhere. Oh wait. I heard that from Bush Jr. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. We won’t be able to pressure China and India unless we lead by example. And it does not cost us $1600/household to do that. It only costs 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.[/quote]

Isn’t it a bit of a stretch to call this a “tax on breathing”? A ten mile trip in an average car creates as much CO2 as an adult person in a whole week.

[Eugene]

[quote]The Congressional Budget Office states that this would amount to a $175 tax on each American household (starting in 2020).[/quote]

To put it differently, overall net costs would average 0.2 percent of households’ after-tax income, or 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.[/quote]

I heard that somewhere. Oh wait. I heard that from Bush Jr. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. We won’t be able to pressure China and India unless we lead by example. And it does not cost us $1600/household to do that. It only costs 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.[/quote]

Isn’t it a bit of a stretch to call this a “tax on breathing”? A ten mile trip in an average car creates as much CO2 as an adult person in a whole week.

[Eugene]

[quote]The Congressional Budget Office states that this would amount to a $175 tax on each American household (starting in 2020).[/quote]

To put it differently, overall net costs would average 0.2 percent of households’ after-tax income, or 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.[/quote]

I heard that somewhere. Oh wait. I heard that from Bush Jr. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. We won’t be able to pressure China and India unless we lead by example. And it does not cost us $1600/household to do that. It only costs 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.[/quote]

Isn’t it a bit of a stretch to call this a “tax on breathing”? A ten mile trip in an average car creates as much CO2 as an adult person in a whole week.

[Eugene]

[quote]The Congressional Budget Office states that this would amount to a $175 tax on each American household (starting in 2020).[/quote]

To put it differently, overall net costs would average 0.2 percent of households’ after-tax income, or 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.[/quote]

I heard that somewhere. Oh wait. I heard that from Bush Jr. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. We won’t be able to pressure China and India unless we lead by example. And it does not cost us $1600/household to do that. It only costs 15 cents per person per day.

[quote]It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.[/quote]

Isn’t it a bit of a stretch to call this a “tax on breathing”? A ten mile trip in an average car creates as much CO2 as an adult person in a whole week.

[luchabee]

Actually, based on additional estimates I have seen, albeit from conservative/libertarian groups like Heritage, it may lead to the loss of over 1,000,000 jobs in the US.

Moreover, actual net costs for households may be as high as $1,600 based on the Washington Post article.

I’m sure the estimates from proponents, however, are right on target. The government never underestimates the costs of any program, right?

Besides what is $175 to a working class family in CA who is fighting foreclosure and a possible job loss? So does the left ever think this stuff adds up? Loss of a state child exemption here, $175 there, a car tax, there, maybe a national value added tax, too. After a while, we are talking about real money and then, suddenly, every state turns into California.

[luchabee]

Actually, based on additional estimates I have seen, albeit from conservative/libertarian groups like Heritage, it may lead to the loss of over 1,000,000 jobs in the US.

Moreover, actual net costs for households may be as high as $1,600 based on the Washington Post article.

I’m sure the estimates from proponents, however, are right on target. The government never underestimates the costs of any program, right?

Besides what is $175 to a working class family in CA who is fighting foreclosure and a possible job loss? So does the left ever think this stuff adds up? Loss of a state child exemption here, $175 there, a car tax, there, maybe a national value added tax, too. After a while, we are talking about real money and then, suddenly, every state turns into California.

[luchabee]

Actually, based on additional estimates I have seen, albeit from conservative/libertarian groups like Heritage, it may lead to the loss of over 1,000,000 jobs in the US.

Moreover, actual net costs for households may be as high as $1,600 based on the Washington Post article.

I’m sure the estimates from proponents, however, are right on target. The government never underestimates the costs of any program, right?

Besides what is $175 to a working class family in CA who is fighting foreclosure and a possible job loss? So does the left ever think this stuff adds up? Loss of a state child exemption here, $175 there, a car tax, there, maybe a national value added tax, too. After a while, we are talking about real money and then, suddenly, every state turns into California.

[luchabee]

Actually, based on additional estimates I have seen, albeit from conservative/libertarian groups like Heritage, it may lead to the loss of over 1,000,000 jobs in the US.

Moreover, actual net costs for households may be as high as $1,600 based on the Washington Post article.

I’m sure the estimates from proponents, however, are right on target. The government never underestimates the costs of any program, right?

Besides what is $175 to a working class family in CA who is fighting foreclosure and a possible job loss? So does the left ever think this stuff adds up? Loss of a state child exemption here, $175 there, a car tax, there, maybe a national value added tax, too. After a while, we are talking about real money and then, suddenly, every state turns into California.

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