McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight.

[SD Realtor]

Rustico that is the scariest part. You mentioned that the overused idea that everybody is crazy…

See I don’t think this guy is crazy at all. Reading into Allans post I didn’t get the idea that he thought this guy was crazy either. I agree with you bigtime about the overused idea that everyone is crazy. Yet I don’t believe any of these guys are/were crazy. Kim Jong is way way way uncrazy. He may be a despot, evil, harsh, whatever, but I don’t believe he is crazy and I do believe he is smart. Mr dinner jacket trumps him bitime when it comes to smarts.

Your right about how do we keep a tally… We have certainly not been great… As you said it is hard to grade against alternatives but I do believe it would have been a harsher world had we not won world war 2. Harsher for us? Yes. Harsher for everyone in the world? Perhaps. Many others were persecuted beyond Jews by the Nazis.

All I can say is that we play the hand we are dealt. We haven’t played it well but in the end I do believe America and Americans in general are content to live in a world that can share many religions and races. Greed has indeed really degraded our effort over the past 150 years to be a model nation/superpower as you have certainly brought up above.

Yet… even with all our shortcomings and screw ups, we have done about as well as any other nation would have done and more then likely less worse…

Not exactly a ringing endorsement and I suppose in the next millenia we will all get to see how China will do when they take over the post. My guess is they will do no better.

[afx114]

I certainly do not believe the solution is to attack this guy. I think that is EXACTLY what he wants.

This reminds me of another dude.. The US drowning in debt, world economy collapsing, military stretched to the breaking point, greatness being questioned world-wide. He got exactly what he wanted. I believe his name was bin Laden. Anyone remember him?

P.S., thanks god you guys rescued this thread from the pit of troll death. The past few pages have been a great discussion. Props!

[afx114]

I certainly do not believe the solution is to attack this guy. I think that is EXACTLY what he wants.

This reminds me of another dude.. The US drowning in debt, world economy collapsing, military stretched to the breaking point, greatness being questioned world-wide. He got exactly what he wanted. I believe his name was bin Laden. Anyone remember him?

P.S., thanks god you guys rescued this thread from the pit of troll death. The past few pages have been a great discussion. Props!

[afx114]

I certainly do not believe the solution is to attack this guy. I think that is EXACTLY what he wants.

This reminds me of another dude.. The US drowning in debt, world economy collapsing, military stretched to the breaking point, greatness being questioned world-wide. He got exactly what he wanted. I believe his name was bin Laden. Anyone remember him?

P.S., thanks god you guys rescued this thread from the pit of troll death. The past few pages have been a great discussion. Props!

[afx114]

I certainly do not believe the solution is to attack this guy. I think that is EXACTLY what he wants.

This reminds me of another dude.. The US drowning in debt, world economy collapsing, military stretched to the breaking point, greatness being questioned world-wide. He got exactly what he wanted. I believe his name was bin Laden. Anyone remember him?

P.S., thanks god you guys rescued this thread from the pit of troll death. The past few pages have been a great discussion. Props!

[afx114]

I certainly do not believe the solution is to attack this guy. I think that is EXACTLY what he wants.

This reminds me of another dude.. The US drowning in debt, world economy collapsing, military stretched to the breaking point, greatness being questioned world-wide. He got exactly what he wanted. I believe his name was bin Laden. Anyone remember him?

P.S., thanks god you guys rescued this thread from the pit of troll death. The past few pages have been a great discussion. Props!

[MisterMark123]

jficquette, you’re so ridiculously biased toward Republicans, I’m not sure why anyone here takes your words seriously.

You’d be a happier person if you weren’t so one-sided in your thinking.

[MisterMark123]

jficquette, you’re so ridiculously biased toward Republicans, I’m not sure why anyone here takes your words seriously.

You’d be a happier person if you weren’t so one-sided in your thinking.

[MisterMark123]

jficquette, you’re so ridiculously biased toward Republicans, I’m not sure why anyone here takes your words seriously.

You’d be a happier person if you weren’t so one-sided in your thinking.

[MisterMark123]

jficquette, you’re so ridiculously biased toward Republicans, I’m not sure why anyone here takes your words seriously.

You’d be a happier person if you weren’t so one-sided in your thinking.

[MisterMark123]

jficquette, you’re so ridiculously biased toward Republicans, I’m not sure why anyone here takes your words seriously.

You’d be a happier person if you weren’t so one-sided in your thinking.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I would also draw a parallel to another point in time: 1979. US economy in a slump, double digit interest rates, military humiliated by Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan, America retreating from the world stage, Iranian hostage crisis, people mistrusting the government after Vietnam and Watergate and a general sense of overall malaise (remember Jimmy Carter’s speech to us about hard work?).

While I don’t think attacking Iran is the right thing to do, I also don’t agree that the European solution of tough talk and threatened sanctions is sufficient, either. I think the US needs to engage the people of Iraq and show moderacy in our approach, while remaining resolutely committed to military options if Iraq proves intransigent. And this isn’t similar to the “does he or doesn’t he” WMD question with Saddam. The IAEA has confirmed Iraq’s capabilities in this respect and it isn’t based on a ginned up NIE or CIA analysis.

We also need to keep a leash on the Israelis. I don’t doubt for a second that Israel will take out the reactor at Natanya (a la their recent Syrian strike and the 1981 Osirak strike) about 15 minutes after Obama’s inaugural speech. I don’t blame them, either. Iran is deadly serious about removing Israel from the map and they are rapidly gaining the capability to do so.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I would also draw a parallel to another point in time: 1979. US economy in a slump, double digit interest rates, military humiliated by Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan, America retreating from the world stage, Iranian hostage crisis, people mistrusting the government after Vietnam and Watergate and a general sense of overall malaise (remember Jimmy Carter’s speech to us about hard work?).

While I don’t think attacking Iran is the right thing to do, I also don’t agree that the European solution of tough talk and threatened sanctions is sufficient, either. I think the US needs to engage the people of Iraq and show moderacy in our approach, while remaining resolutely committed to military options if Iraq proves intransigent. And this isn’t similar to the “does he or doesn’t he” WMD question with Saddam. The IAEA has confirmed Iraq’s capabilities in this respect and it isn’t based on a ginned up NIE or CIA analysis.

We also need to keep a leash on the Israelis. I don’t doubt for a second that Israel will take out the reactor at Natanya (a la their recent Syrian strike and the 1981 Osirak strike) about 15 minutes after Obama’s inaugural speech. I don’t blame them, either. Iran is deadly serious about removing Israel from the map and they are rapidly gaining the capability to do so.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I would also draw a parallel to another point in time: 1979. US economy in a slump, double digit interest rates, military humiliated by Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan, America retreating from the world stage, Iranian hostage crisis, people mistrusting the government after Vietnam and Watergate and a general sense of overall malaise (remember Jimmy Carter’s speech to us about hard work?).

While I don’t think attacking Iran is the right thing to do, I also don’t agree that the European solution of tough talk and threatened sanctions is sufficient, either. I think the US needs to engage the people of Iraq and show moderacy in our approach, while remaining resolutely committed to military options if Iraq proves intransigent. And this isn’t similar to the “does he or doesn’t he” WMD question with Saddam. The IAEA has confirmed Iraq’s capabilities in this respect and it isn’t based on a ginned up NIE or CIA analysis.

We also need to keep a leash on the Israelis. I don’t doubt for a second that Israel will take out the reactor at Natanya (a la their recent Syrian strike and the 1981 Osirak strike) about 15 minutes after Obama’s inaugural speech. I don’t blame them, either. Iran is deadly serious about removing Israel from the map and they are rapidly gaining the capability to do so.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I would also draw a parallel to another point in time: 1979. US economy in a slump, double digit interest rates, military humiliated by Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan, America retreating from the world stage, Iranian hostage crisis, people mistrusting the government after Vietnam and Watergate and a general sense of overall malaise (remember Jimmy Carter’s speech to us about hard work?).

While I don’t think attacking Iran is the right thing to do, I also don’t agree that the European solution of tough talk and threatened sanctions is sufficient, either. I think the US needs to engage the people of Iraq and show moderacy in our approach, while remaining resolutely committed to military options if Iraq proves intransigent. And this isn’t similar to the “does he or doesn’t he” WMD question with Saddam. The IAEA has confirmed Iraq’s capabilities in this respect and it isn’t based on a ginned up NIE or CIA analysis.

We also need to keep a leash on the Israelis. I don’t doubt for a second that Israel will take out the reactor at Natanya (a la their recent Syrian strike and the 1981 Osirak strike) about 15 minutes after Obama’s inaugural speech. I don’t blame them, either. Iran is deadly serious about removing Israel from the map and they are rapidly gaining the capability to do so.

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