McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight.

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[quote=SD Realtor]
Marion I really do admire your posting. Please understand my note voting for Obama has nothing to do with his skin color. I simply do not agree with his stance that a large government entity will be better for me and for most Americans. It is that simple.

I don’t like grandpa at all. In fact as usual we have an election where I have to choose between two politicians who I really have strong disagreements with.
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SD Realtor and others who do not like either candidates, have you look into a third party like the Libertarian party? What I’ve heard is that, in order for a 3rd party to get government funding like the Dems and Reps for their campaign, they would need a minimum of 5% of the vote. I think having a 3rd choice is better for us all. I’ve looked into the Libertarian party and they seem to have a very economically conservative policy, but socially acceptance policy(liberal).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: The problem is you’re not paranoid. This guy does believe what he says, and he was selected by the hardliners in Iran for that reason. I also agree that the last thing in the world we want to do is attack Iran. The majority of Iranians are educated, literate, politically moderate and pro-Western/pro-US. An American-led attack on Iran would not only galvanize moderate Iranians against us, it would serve to further inflame the Muslim world. The problem is this: How do you engage the populace when its the hardliners running the country?

As to beliefs and Hitler (by way of analogy): Hitler did believe in racial purity, and had a Pan-Germanic view of not only Europe, but the world (remember his line: “Today Germany, tomorrow the world”?). He very thoughtfully laid his plan out in his book, “Mein Kampf” (My struggle). It appears that, with few exceptions, most European leaders (save Churchill) failed to take it seriously.

President I-Am-A-Dinner-Jacket in Iran is doing the same thing. He has made his thoughts on the US and Israel quite clear: Both need to be literally obliterated. He is a rabid Holocaust denier, and has made it clear that Iran has nuclear ambitions as part of a larger regional domination program.

Nope, I don’t think paranoia has anything to do with it. Iran’s intents are clearly stated. It is what we do in response that will determine which outcome follows.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: The problem is you’re not paranoid. This guy does believe what he says, and he was selected by the hardliners in Iran for that reason. I also agree that the last thing in the world we want to do is attack Iran. The majority of Iranians are educated, literate, politically moderate and pro-Western/pro-US. An American-led attack on Iran would not only galvanize moderate Iranians against us, it would serve to further inflame the Muslim world. The problem is this: How do you engage the populace when its the hardliners running the country?

As to beliefs and Hitler (by way of analogy): Hitler did believe in racial purity, and had a Pan-Germanic view of not only Europe, but the world (remember his line: “Today Germany, tomorrow the world”?). He very thoughtfully laid his plan out in his book, “Mein Kampf” (My struggle). It appears that, with few exceptions, most European leaders (save Churchill) failed to take it seriously.

President I-Am-A-Dinner-Jacket in Iran is doing the same thing. He has made his thoughts on the US and Israel quite clear: Both need to be literally obliterated. He is a rabid Holocaust denier, and has made it clear that Iran has nuclear ambitions as part of a larger regional domination program.

Nope, I don’t think paranoia has anything to do with it. Iran’s intents are clearly stated. It is what we do in response that will determine which outcome follows.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: The problem is you’re not paranoid. This guy does believe what he says, and he was selected by the hardliners in Iran for that reason. I also agree that the last thing in the world we want to do is attack Iran. The majority of Iranians are educated, literate, politically moderate and pro-Western/pro-US. An American-led attack on Iran would not only galvanize moderate Iranians against us, it would serve to further inflame the Muslim world. The problem is this: How do you engage the populace when its the hardliners running the country?

As to beliefs and Hitler (by way of analogy): Hitler did believe in racial purity, and had a Pan-Germanic view of not only Europe, but the world (remember his line: “Today Germany, tomorrow the world”?). He very thoughtfully laid his plan out in his book, “Mein Kampf” (My struggle). It appears that, with few exceptions, most European leaders (save Churchill) failed to take it seriously.

President I-Am-A-Dinner-Jacket in Iran is doing the same thing. He has made his thoughts on the US and Israel quite clear: Both need to be literally obliterated. He is a rabid Holocaust denier, and has made it clear that Iran has nuclear ambitions as part of a larger regional domination program.

Nope, I don’t think paranoia has anything to do with it. Iran’s intents are clearly stated. It is what we do in response that will determine which outcome follows.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: The problem is you’re not paranoid. This guy does believe what he says, and he was selected by the hardliners in Iran for that reason. I also agree that the last thing in the world we want to do is attack Iran. The majority of Iranians are educated, literate, politically moderate and pro-Western/pro-US. An American-led attack on Iran would not only galvanize moderate Iranians against us, it would serve to further inflame the Muslim world. The problem is this: How do you engage the populace when its the hardliners running the country?

As to beliefs and Hitler (by way of analogy): Hitler did believe in racial purity, and had a Pan-Germanic view of not only Europe, but the world (remember his line: “Today Germany, tomorrow the world”?). He very thoughtfully laid his plan out in his book, “Mein Kampf” (My struggle). It appears that, with few exceptions, most European leaders (save Churchill) failed to take it seriously.

President I-Am-A-Dinner-Jacket in Iran is doing the same thing. He has made his thoughts on the US and Israel quite clear: Both need to be literally obliterated. He is a rabid Holocaust denier, and has made it clear that Iran has nuclear ambitions as part of a larger regional domination program.

Nope, I don’t think paranoia has anything to do with it. Iran’s intents are clearly stated. It is what we do in response that will determine which outcome follows.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: The problem is you’re not paranoid. This guy does believe what he says, and he was selected by the hardliners in Iran for that reason. I also agree that the last thing in the world we want to do is attack Iran. The majority of Iranians are educated, literate, politically moderate and pro-Western/pro-US. An American-led attack on Iran would not only galvanize moderate Iranians against us, it would serve to further inflame the Muslim world. The problem is this: How do you engage the populace when its the hardliners running the country?

As to beliefs and Hitler (by way of analogy): Hitler did believe in racial purity, and had a Pan-Germanic view of not only Europe, but the world (remember his line: “Today Germany, tomorrow the world”?). He very thoughtfully laid his plan out in his book, “Mein Kampf” (My struggle). It appears that, with few exceptions, most European leaders (save Churchill) failed to take it seriously.

President I-Am-A-Dinner-Jacket in Iran is doing the same thing. He has made his thoughts on the US and Israel quite clear: Both need to be literally obliterated. He is a rabid Holocaust denier, and has made it clear that Iran has nuclear ambitions as part of a larger regional domination program.

Nope, I don’t think paranoia has anything to do with it. Iran’s intents are clearly stated. It is what we do in response that will determine which outcome follows.

[NotCranky]

Lot’s of good posts and unfortunately loose ends that I am not be able to tie up.

I think Mr. Iranian agitator might be
Saber rattling:

1)A flamboyant display of military power.
2) A threat or implied threat to use military power(or instigate “terrrorism” and instability ect.)

I know Allan you disagree. I don’t disagree with your other comments about Iran at all. Just this idea that everybody is crazy seems overused. remember the guy is inthe former “axis of evil” he might be inspired by his position to behave a little oddly for our tastes.

I don’t find much point in debating whether the US is a GOOD or bad superpower or whether those that might have had our super power place would have been better or worse. I have no need for a decision on that one. Many previous methods of carrying on as such seem very crude compared to the current possibilities Nazism especially. Don’t know how to create a tally? For instance do we include the damage that the dictators we have empowered aided and abbetted. Do we take part of the responsibilty for the “madmen” we have backed into a corner and pestered with propaganda, covert, operations sanctions ect? Do we start with slavery or after the first black man is elected?
Should we wait and see how we behave as an inevitable falling star 30, 100, 300 years from now? Will world government be successful enough for us not to have to face the degradation to our shinning image a fall might bring about?

[NotCranky]

Lot’s of good posts and unfortunately loose ends that I am not be able to tie up.

I think Mr. Iranian agitator might be
Saber rattling:

1)A flamboyant display of military power.
2) A threat or implied threat to use military power(or instigate “terrrorism” and instability ect.)

I know Allan you disagree. I don’t disagree with your other comments about Iran at all. Just this idea that everybody is crazy seems overused. remember the guy is inthe former “axis of evil” he might be inspired by his position to behave a little oddly for our tastes.

I don’t find much point in debating whether the US is a GOOD or bad superpower or whether those that might have had our super power place would have been better or worse. I have no need for a decision on that one. Many previous methods of carrying on as such seem very crude compared to the current possibilities Nazism especially. Don’t know how to create a tally? For instance do we include the damage that the dictators we have empowered aided and abbetted. Do we take part of the responsibilty for the “madmen” we have backed into a corner and pestered with propaganda, covert, operations sanctions ect? Do we start with slavery or after the first black man is elected?
Should we wait and see how we behave as an inevitable falling star 30, 100, 300 years from now? Will world government be successful enough for us not to have to face the degradation to our shinning image a fall might bring about?

[NotCranky]

Lot’s of good posts and unfortunately loose ends that I am not be able to tie up.

I think Mr. Iranian agitator might be
Saber rattling:

1)A flamboyant display of military power.
2) A threat or implied threat to use military power(or instigate “terrrorism” and instability ect.)

I know Allan you disagree. I don’t disagree with your other comments about Iran at all. Just this idea that everybody is crazy seems overused. remember the guy is inthe former “axis of evil” he might be inspired by his position to behave a little oddly for our tastes.

I don’t find much point in debating whether the US is a GOOD or bad superpower or whether those that might have had our super power place would have been better or worse. I have no need for a decision on that one. Many previous methods of carrying on as such seem very crude compared to the current possibilities Nazism especially. Don’t know how to create a tally? For instance do we include the damage that the dictators we have empowered aided and abbetted. Do we take part of the responsibilty for the “madmen” we have backed into a corner and pestered with propaganda, covert, operations sanctions ect? Do we start with slavery or after the first black man is elected?
Should we wait and see how we behave as an inevitable falling star 30, 100, 300 years from now? Will world government be successful enough for us not to have to face the degradation to our shinning image a fall might bring about?

[NotCranky]

Lot’s of good posts and unfortunately loose ends that I am not be able to tie up.

I think Mr. Iranian agitator might be
Saber rattling:

1)A flamboyant display of military power.
2) A threat or implied threat to use military power(or instigate “terrrorism” and instability ect.)

I know Allan you disagree. I don’t disagree with your other comments about Iran at all. Just this idea that everybody is crazy seems overused. remember the guy is inthe former “axis of evil” he might be inspired by his position to behave a little oddly for our tastes.

I don’t find much point in debating whether the US is a GOOD or bad superpower or whether those that might have had our super power place would have been better or worse. I have no need for a decision on that one. Many previous methods of carrying on as such seem very crude compared to the current possibilities Nazism especially. Don’t know how to create a tally? For instance do we include the damage that the dictators we have empowered aided and abbetted. Do we take part of the responsibilty for the “madmen” we have backed into a corner and pestered with propaganda, covert, operations sanctions ect? Do we start with slavery or after the first black man is elected?
Should we wait and see how we behave as an inevitable falling star 30, 100, 300 years from now? Will world government be successful enough for us not to have to face the degradation to our shinning image a fall might bring about?

[NotCranky]

Lot’s of good posts and unfortunately loose ends that I am not be able to tie up.

I think Mr. Iranian agitator might be
Saber rattling:

1)A flamboyant display of military power.
2) A threat or implied threat to use military power(or instigate “terrrorism” and instability ect.)

I know Allan you disagree. I don’t disagree with your other comments about Iran at all. Just this idea that everybody is crazy seems overused. remember the guy is inthe former “axis of evil” he might be inspired by his position to behave a little oddly for our tastes.

I don’t find much point in debating whether the US is a GOOD or bad superpower or whether those that might have had our super power place would have been better or worse. I have no need for a decision on that one. Many previous methods of carrying on as such seem very crude compared to the current possibilities Nazism especially. Don’t know how to create a tally? For instance do we include the damage that the dictators we have empowered aided and abbetted. Do we take part of the responsibilty for the “madmen” we have backed into a corner and pestered with propaganda, covert, operations sanctions ect? Do we start with slavery or after the first black man is elected?
Should we wait and see how we behave as an inevitable falling star 30, 100, 300 years from now? Will world government be successful enough for us not to have to face the degradation to our shinning image a fall might bring about?

[SD Realtor]

Rustico that is the scariest part. You mentioned that the overused idea that everybody is crazy…

See I don’t think this guy is crazy at all. Reading into Allans post I didn’t get the idea that he thought this guy was crazy either. I agree with you bigtime about the overused idea that everyone is crazy. Yet I don’t believe any of these guys are/were crazy. Kim Jong is way way way uncrazy. He may be a despot, evil, harsh, whatever, but I don’t believe he is crazy and I do believe he is smart. Mr dinner jacket trumps him bitime when it comes to smarts.

Your right about how do we keep a tally… We have certainly not been great… As you said it is hard to grade against alternatives but I do believe it would have been a harsher world had we not won world war 2. Harsher for us? Yes. Harsher for everyone in the world? Perhaps. Many others were persecuted beyond Jews by the Nazis.

All I can say is that we play the hand we are dealt. We haven’t played it well but in the end I do believe America and Americans in general are content to live in a world that can share many religions and races. Greed has indeed really degraded our effort over the past 150 years to be a model nation/superpower as you have certainly brought up above.

Yet… even with all our shortcomings and screw ups, we have done about as well as any other nation would have done and more then likely less worse…

Not exactly a ringing endorsement and I suppose in the next millenia we will all get to see how China will do when they take over the post. My guess is they will do no better.

[SD Realtor]

Rustico that is the scariest part. You mentioned that the overused idea that everybody is crazy…

See I don’t think this guy is crazy at all. Reading into Allans post I didn’t get the idea that he thought this guy was crazy either. I agree with you bigtime about the overused idea that everyone is crazy. Yet I don’t believe any of these guys are/were crazy. Kim Jong is way way way uncrazy. He may be a despot, evil, harsh, whatever, but I don’t believe he is crazy and I do believe he is smart. Mr dinner jacket trumps him bitime when it comes to smarts.

Your right about how do we keep a tally… We have certainly not been great… As you said it is hard to grade against alternatives but I do believe it would have been a harsher world had we not won world war 2. Harsher for us? Yes. Harsher for everyone in the world? Perhaps. Many others were persecuted beyond Jews by the Nazis.

All I can say is that we play the hand we are dealt. We haven’t played it well but in the end I do believe America and Americans in general are content to live in a world that can share many religions and races. Greed has indeed really degraded our effort over the past 150 years to be a model nation/superpower as you have certainly brought up above.

Yet… even with all our shortcomings and screw ups, we have done about as well as any other nation would have done and more then likely less worse…

Not exactly a ringing endorsement and I suppose in the next millenia we will all get to see how China will do when they take over the post. My guess is they will do no better.

[SD Realtor]

Rustico that is the scariest part. You mentioned that the overused idea that everybody is crazy…

See I don’t think this guy is crazy at all. Reading into Allans post I didn’t get the idea that he thought this guy was crazy either. I agree with you bigtime about the overused idea that everyone is crazy. Yet I don’t believe any of these guys are/were crazy. Kim Jong is way way way uncrazy. He may be a despot, evil, harsh, whatever, but I don’t believe he is crazy and I do believe he is smart. Mr dinner jacket trumps him bitime when it comes to smarts.

Your right about how do we keep a tally… We have certainly not been great… As you said it is hard to grade against alternatives but I do believe it would have been a harsher world had we not won world war 2. Harsher for us? Yes. Harsher for everyone in the world? Perhaps. Many others were persecuted beyond Jews by the Nazis.

All I can say is that we play the hand we are dealt. We haven’t played it well but in the end I do believe America and Americans in general are content to live in a world that can share many religions and races. Greed has indeed really degraded our effort over the past 150 years to be a model nation/superpower as you have certainly brought up above.

Yet… even with all our shortcomings and screw ups, we have done about as well as any other nation would have done and more then likely less worse…

Not exactly a ringing endorsement and I suppose in the next millenia we will all get to see how China will do when they take over the post. My guess is they will do no better.

[SD Realtor]

Rustico that is the scariest part. You mentioned that the overused idea that everybody is crazy…

See I don’t think this guy is crazy at all. Reading into Allans post I didn’t get the idea that he thought this guy was crazy either. I agree with you bigtime about the overused idea that everyone is crazy. Yet I don’t believe any of these guys are/were crazy. Kim Jong is way way way uncrazy. He may be a despot, evil, harsh, whatever, but I don’t believe he is crazy and I do believe he is smart. Mr dinner jacket trumps him bitime when it comes to smarts.

Your right about how do we keep a tally… We have certainly not been great… As you said it is hard to grade against alternatives but I do believe it would have been a harsher world had we not won world war 2. Harsher for us? Yes. Harsher for everyone in the world? Perhaps. Many others were persecuted beyond Jews by the Nazis.

All I can say is that we play the hand we are dealt. We haven’t played it well but in the end I do believe America and Americans in general are content to live in a world that can share many religions and races. Greed has indeed really degraded our effort over the past 150 years to be a model nation/superpower as you have certainly brought up above.

Yet… even with all our shortcomings and screw ups, we have done about as well as any other nation would have done and more then likely less worse…

Not exactly a ringing endorsement and I suppose in the next millenia we will all get to see how China will do when they take over the post. My guess is they will do no better.

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