Lord of the Flies

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LONDON, Aug. 12 (UPI) — British parents who called police when they saw their 18-year-old daughter participating in London riots said the girl is an Olympics ambassador.

Adrienne Ives, 43, said she and her husband, Roger, 54, saw their daughter, Chelsea, 18, damaging a police car during news footage of the riots, The Sun reported Friday.

The parents said they called police and Chelsea was arrested.

“We’ve no regrets and would do the same again,” Adrienne Ives said. “My children have always been taught right from wrong. We were not being brave, it’s what any right-thinking person would have done.”

Ives said her daughter was previously chosen to be an ambassador for the 2012 Olympics. She has met with British Olympics chief Seb Coe and London Mayor Boris Johnson.

Chelsea Ives pleaded not guilty to charges of violent disorder, burglary and damaging a police car.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2011/08/12/Alleged-rioter-was-Olympic-ambassador/UPI-11741313174765/#ixzz1UqSWxrYA

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[quote=temeculaguy] I’m not even what most would consider a liberal, but call me kooky for thinking that I recall something about this when the formation of this country is taught. Gays will one day marry, people will divorce when they are unhappy, adults will have sex with each other for no other reason than it is fun. People of different races and backgrounds will do as they please, live the lives they want and with those they want to. They will attend the schools they want, have the careers they want and nothing will be unattainable, nothing off limits based on race, creed or color (where have I read that before? and do not for a minute say it used to be better, because that is bullshit, the good old days, weren’t always that good). Ask a woman who was an adult in the 1940’s or 1950’s how great it was to choose to be a housewife, a teacher or a nurse, but not much else. What a grand society it was for them. Maybe they were better mothers, but was it better, for them? For the first time since this crazy notion of freedom was proposed more than 200 years ago, we’re actually getting close to the original plan, where individuals choose their path, not other people. If that is decay, bring it on![/quote]

Ok, TG, I’m convinced. I want your populist society with porn and cosmetic surgery.

Let’s hope populism is no hijacked by puritans who want to impose their views on all of us.

The bumps on the road to your kind of society are groups who are threatened by change. They are willing to kill to maintain the old order.

[briansd1]

[quote=temeculaguy] I’m not even what most would consider a liberal, but call me kooky for thinking that I recall something about this when the formation of this country is taught. Gays will one day marry, people will divorce when they are unhappy, adults will have sex with each other for no other reason than it is fun. People of different races and backgrounds will do as they please, live the lives they want and with those they want to. They will attend the schools they want, have the careers they want and nothing will be unattainable, nothing off limits based on race, creed or color (where have I read that before? and do not for a minute say it used to be better, because that is bullshit, the good old days, weren’t always that good). Ask a woman who was an adult in the 1940’s or 1950’s how great it was to choose to be a housewife, a teacher or a nurse, but not much else. What a grand society it was for them. Maybe they were better mothers, but was it better, for them? For the first time since this crazy notion of freedom was proposed more than 200 years ago, we’re actually getting close to the original plan, where individuals choose their path, not other people. If that is decay, bring it on![/quote]

Ok, TG, I’m convinced. I want your populist society with porn and cosmetic surgery.

Let’s hope populism is no hijacked by puritans who want to impose their views on all of us.

The bumps on the road to your kind of society are groups who are threatened by change. They are willing to kill to maintain the old order.

[briansd1]

[quote=temeculaguy] I’m not even what most would consider a liberal, but call me kooky for thinking that I recall something about this when the formation of this country is taught. Gays will one day marry, people will divorce when they are unhappy, adults will have sex with each other for no other reason than it is fun. People of different races and backgrounds will do as they please, live the lives they want and with those they want to. They will attend the schools they want, have the careers they want and nothing will be unattainable, nothing off limits based on race, creed or color (where have I read that before? and do not for a minute say it used to be better, because that is bullshit, the good old days, weren’t always that good). Ask a woman who was an adult in the 1940’s or 1950’s how great it was to choose to be a housewife, a teacher or a nurse, but not much else. What a grand society it was for them. Maybe they were better mothers, but was it better, for them? For the first time since this crazy notion of freedom was proposed more than 200 years ago, we’re actually getting close to the original plan, where individuals choose their path, not other people. If that is decay, bring it on![/quote]

Ok, TG, I’m convinced. I want your populist society with porn and cosmetic surgery.

Let’s hope populism is no hijacked by puritans who want to impose their views on all of us.

The bumps on the road to your kind of society are groups who are threatened by change. They are willing to kill to maintain the old order.

[briansd1]

[quote=temeculaguy] I’m not even what most would consider a liberal, but call me kooky for thinking that I recall something about this when the formation of this country is taught. Gays will one day marry, people will divorce when they are unhappy, adults will have sex with each other for no other reason than it is fun. People of different races and backgrounds will do as they please, live the lives they want and with those they want to. They will attend the schools they want, have the careers they want and nothing will be unattainable, nothing off limits based on race, creed or color (where have I read that before? and do not for a minute say it used to be better, because that is bullshit, the good old days, weren’t always that good). Ask a woman who was an adult in the 1940’s or 1950’s how great it was to choose to be a housewife, a teacher or a nurse, but not much else. What a grand society it was for them. Maybe they were better mothers, but was it better, for them? For the first time since this crazy notion of freedom was proposed more than 200 years ago, we’re actually getting close to the original plan, where individuals choose their path, not other people. If that is decay, bring it on![/quote]

Ok, TG, I’m convinced. I want your populist society with porn and cosmetic surgery.

Let’s hope populism is no hijacked by puritans who want to impose their views on all of us.

The bumps on the road to your kind of society are groups who are threatened by change. They are willing to kill to maintain the old order.

[briansd1]

[quote=temeculaguy] I’m not even what most would consider a liberal, but call me kooky for thinking that I recall something about this when the formation of this country is taught. Gays will one day marry, people will divorce when they are unhappy, adults will have sex with each other for no other reason than it is fun. People of different races and backgrounds will do as they please, live the lives they want and with those they want to. They will attend the schools they want, have the careers they want and nothing will be unattainable, nothing off limits based on race, creed or color (where have I read that before? and do not for a minute say it used to be better, because that is bullshit, the good old days, weren’t always that good). Ask a woman who was an adult in the 1940’s or 1950’s how great it was to choose to be a housewife, a teacher or a nurse, but not much else. What a grand society it was for them. Maybe they were better mothers, but was it better, for them? For the first time since this crazy notion of freedom was proposed more than 200 years ago, we’re actually getting close to the original plan, where individuals choose their path, not other people. If that is decay, bring it on![/quote]

Ok, TG, I’m convinced. I want your populist society with porn and cosmetic surgery.

Let’s hope populism is no hijacked by puritans who want to impose their views on all of us.

The bumps on the road to your kind of society are groups who are threatened by change. They are willing to kill to maintain the old order.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
Well, social decay and collapse is part of human history and well understood amongst a myriad of scholars. Hubris and irrational denial is part of all past social disintegrations. So is worshipping “former self” and romanticizing the past. And so is rebirth of new social orders and value systems.

It’s pretty much the same story over and over. Societies can’t change their behavior to deal with new problems – which always boils down to the ruling class. Institutions become completely corrupt, ossified and finally, irrelevant and a hinderance on social progress. While wide spread societal illness manifest.[/quote]

I missed this thread earlier.

I’m with temeculaguy and pri_dk. We are better off today that in the past. This is not the end of anything.

Things will continue to change… But despite revolutions, things are more incremental than revolutionary.

As always, Arraya provides food for thought but I’m not fearing collapse.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
Well, social decay and collapse is part of human history and well understood amongst a myriad of scholars. Hubris and irrational denial is part of all past social disintegrations. So is worshipping “former self” and romanticizing the past. And so is rebirth of new social orders and value systems.

It’s pretty much the same story over and over. Societies can’t change their behavior to deal with new problems – which always boils down to the ruling class. Institutions become completely corrupt, ossified and finally, irrelevant and a hinderance on social progress. While wide spread societal illness manifest.[/quote]

I missed this thread earlier.

I’m with temeculaguy and pri_dk. We are better off today that in the past. This is not the end of anything.

Things will continue to change… But despite revolutions, things are more incremental than revolutionary.

As always, Arraya provides food for thought but I’m not fearing collapse.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
Well, social decay and collapse is part of human history and well understood amongst a myriad of scholars. Hubris and irrational denial is part of all past social disintegrations. So is worshipping “former self” and romanticizing the past. And so is rebirth of new social orders and value systems.

It’s pretty much the same story over and over. Societies can’t change their behavior to deal with new problems – which always boils down to the ruling class. Institutions become completely corrupt, ossified and finally, irrelevant and a hinderance on social progress. While wide spread societal illness manifest.[/quote]

I missed this thread earlier.

I’m with temeculaguy and pri_dk. We are better off today that in the past. This is not the end of anything.

Things will continue to change… But despite revolutions, things are more incremental than revolutionary.

As always, Arraya provides food for thought but I’m not fearing collapse.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
Well, social decay and collapse is part of human history and well understood amongst a myriad of scholars. Hubris and irrational denial is part of all past social disintegrations. So is worshipping “former self” and romanticizing the past. And so is rebirth of new social orders and value systems.

It’s pretty much the same story over and over. Societies can’t change their behavior to deal with new problems – which always boils down to the ruling class. Institutions become completely corrupt, ossified and finally, irrelevant and a hinderance on social progress. While wide spread societal illness manifest.[/quote]

I missed this thread earlier.

I’m with temeculaguy and pri_dk. We are better off today that in the past. This is not the end of anything.

Things will continue to change… But despite revolutions, things are more incremental than revolutionary.

As always, Arraya provides food for thought but I’m not fearing collapse.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
Well, social decay and collapse is part of human history and well understood amongst a myriad of scholars. Hubris and irrational denial is part of all past social disintegrations. So is worshipping “former self” and romanticizing the past. And so is rebirth of new social orders and value systems.

It’s pretty much the same story over and over. Societies can’t change their behavior to deal with new problems – which always boils down to the ruling class. Institutions become completely corrupt, ossified and finally, irrelevant and a hinderance on social progress. While wide spread societal illness manifest.[/quote]

I missed this thread earlier.

I’m with temeculaguy and pri_dk. We are better off today that in the past. This is not the end of anything.

Things will continue to change… But despite revolutions, things are more incremental than revolutionary.

As always, Arraya provides food for thought but I’m not fearing collapse.

[Arraya]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/

David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.
But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

[Arraya]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/

David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.
But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

[Arraya]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/

David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.
But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

[Arraya]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/

David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.
But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

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