Just wondering where all the “Bring it on people” are at

[Coronita]

[quote=TheBreeze]
If you’ve put anyone in a house since 2002 it’s guaranteed that they are underwater now or soon will be. Pretty much everything you’ve done as a realtor for the last 6 years has been a waste — actually it’s been more than a waste because you’ve helped to bring American society down.

Anyway, I just don’t see how some misguided realtor has any room to criticize those who were saying “bring it on” when it is YOU who has likely done more than anyone else on this board to fuck everything up. If you supported Republitards in this election you are even more retarded than I imagined.

And do you think being a “successful” realtor in the biggest housing bubble in history somehow makes you an expert in “most any field?” Give me a break. You sound like the Internet supertraders back in 2000. Their bread (and yours) was buttered with lucky-brand margarine and they (nor you) never realized it and thought they were some kind of intellectual Gods (until they found out the hard way that they weren’t). You might want to consider stepping down off your high horse for a bit, take a look around, and realize that you are more responsible for the shitstorm we are about to enter than anyone who said “bring it on.”
[/quote]

Breeze, with all due respect, it’s quite ironic, your high horse view about Realtors. If you are in sales, like I suspect you to be in, and which you seemed to confirm, when was the last time YOU haven’t stretched the truth( at the minimum) or flat out lied to make a sales…. and mislead a customer into some product/service that was overpromised and underdelivered.??????…Please….

As far as your notion of guilt by association: it takes two to tango. A Realtor in itself is specific role, as a mortage broker,as an appraiser. You have good ones, and you have the fly-by-night,get rich quick ones that are clueless, questionable ethics,etc… The fact is, the lure of quick money brought a lot of “unqualified” gold diggers into the real estate profession (as did the tech bubble brought a lot of unqualified people into the I.T./engineering space- IE your glorified HTML/script kiddies). Hopefully, with this crash, it pretty much flushes out the fly-by-night folks. But there are folks that have been in the RE industry for some time who are true to their business. It is their function to provide their service, as you are to pump whatever crap your company is attempting push on to others.

Also, may I remind you that, being able to “afford” a home is neither a entitlement NOR a requirement. No one FORCED people to buy homes at overly inflated prices. As is any other thing one buys, it’s buyer beware….That’s why folks never buy a software/hardware from a smooth talking salesman without doing a proof of concept first….

Personally, I’d like to see when/if you are ready to purchase a home, you try to take care of all details of a home purchase, and not get your axx handed to you. (Not saying in general, people can’t do it). But you just do strike me as someone, due your high-horse type of thinking, tends to oversimply things until you steep knee deep in cow dung, at which point your realize, “oh shit”.

[Running Bear]

SDR,

Looks like you finally pulled back the curtain and are seeing what some of us on this site have been talking about since most of the bottom callers starting flooding the site in the spring. I have had this quote on the wall in my office for 2 years now because I am afraid that we are choosing the worst case scenario.

If you think most of us are happy about this crisis and what lies ahead you are incorrect. The damage we are going to go through will have a material impact on all of us and there isn’t much we can do about it except try and preserve some capital. I have only spent time commenting on this site because here there were people that at least were open to listening to the difficult facts. If I could save 1 or 2 people from making a large financial mistake I was happy to do it. I found that family and friends weren’t willing to listen and it was a waste of my time to tell them otherwise. The quote is below.

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
-Ludwig von Mises

And I will say again what I have been saying since I have been on this site; Your goal and strategy should be wealth preservation and saving. Buying a house or any other large illiquid asset at this time is exposing yourself to serious financial pain. Cash is king right now.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

SDR,

Looks like you finally pulled back the curtain and are seeing what some of us on this site have been talking about since most of the bottom callers starting flooding the site in the spring. I have had this quote on the wall in my office for 2 years now because I am afraid that we are choosing the worst case scenario.

If you think most of us are happy about this crisis and what lies ahead you are incorrect. The damage we are going to go through will have a material impact on all of us and there isn’t much we can do about it except try and preserve some capital. I have only spent time commenting on this site because here there were people that at least were open to listening to the difficult facts. If I could save 1 or 2 people from making a large financial mistake I was happy to do it. I found that family and friends weren’t willing to listen and it was a waste of my time to tell them otherwise. The quote is below.

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
-Ludwig von Mises

And I will say again what I have been saying since I have been on this site; Your goal and strategy should be wealth preservation and saving. Buying a house or any other large illiquid asset at this time is exposing yourself to serious financial pain. Cash is king right now.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

SDR,

Looks like you finally pulled back the curtain and are seeing what some of us on this site have been talking about since most of the bottom callers starting flooding the site in the spring. I have had this quote on the wall in my office for 2 years now because I am afraid that we are choosing the worst case scenario.

If you think most of us are happy about this crisis and what lies ahead you are incorrect. The damage we are going to go through will have a material impact on all of us and there isn’t much we can do about it except try and preserve some capital. I have only spent time commenting on this site because here there were people that at least were open to listening to the difficult facts. If I could save 1 or 2 people from making a large financial mistake I was happy to do it. I found that family and friends weren’t willing to listen and it was a waste of my time to tell them otherwise. The quote is below.

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
-Ludwig von Mises

And I will say again what I have been saying since I have been on this site; Your goal and strategy should be wealth preservation and saving. Buying a house or any other large illiquid asset at this time is exposing yourself to serious financial pain. Cash is king right now.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

SDR,

Looks like you finally pulled back the curtain and are seeing what some of us on this site have been talking about since most of the bottom callers starting flooding the site in the spring. I have had this quote on the wall in my office for 2 years now because I am afraid that we are choosing the worst case scenario.

If you think most of us are happy about this crisis and what lies ahead you are incorrect. The damage we are going to go through will have a material impact on all of us and there isn’t much we can do about it except try and preserve some capital. I have only spent time commenting on this site because here there were people that at least were open to listening to the difficult facts. If I could save 1 or 2 people from making a large financial mistake I was happy to do it. I found that family and friends weren’t willing to listen and it was a waste of my time to tell them otherwise. The quote is below.

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
-Ludwig von Mises

And I will say again what I have been saying since I have been on this site; Your goal and strategy should be wealth preservation and saving. Buying a house or any other large illiquid asset at this time is exposing yourself to serious financial pain. Cash is king right now.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

SDR,

Looks like you finally pulled back the curtain and are seeing what some of us on this site have been talking about since most of the bottom callers starting flooding the site in the spring. I have had this quote on the wall in my office for 2 years now because I am afraid that we are choosing the worst case scenario.

If you think most of us are happy about this crisis and what lies ahead you are incorrect. The damage we are going to go through will have a material impact on all of us and there isn’t much we can do about it except try and preserve some capital. I have only spent time commenting on this site because here there were people that at least were open to listening to the difficult facts. If I could save 1 or 2 people from making a large financial mistake I was happy to do it. I found that family and friends weren’t willing to listen and it was a waste of my time to tell them otherwise. The quote is below.

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
-Ludwig von Mises

And I will say again what I have been saying since I have been on this site; Your goal and strategy should be wealth preservation and saving. Buying a house or any other large illiquid asset at this time is exposing yourself to serious financial pain. Cash is king right now.

My2Cents

[NotCranky]

How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

I have been on the gravy train a few months in my life, but I am interested to know how you do it for at least the two or three years that this blog has been up.

Maybe this insinuation doesn’t fit anyone and I apologize in that case. However it is apropos to this thread to mention something that is rampant in government and tax payer supported contracting and maybe other places. I am not saying that many or maybe even most people in these jobs don’t do an honest days work. I don’t know how extensively it occurs in the private sector but I think with the credit boom and small time crony capitalism it must have proliferated.

One of the bandaids I actually hope the politicians keep in the box is “Job Creation”. Authentic creativity should come first and jobs second. This is just another type of pushing on a string and has much to do with our problems. Not surprisingly the mandate falls with the fed.We could do fine,in my estimate of what fine is, with a big correction and many fewer jobs per capita when necessary. Our society is so addicted to consumption and debt that we can’t tolerate that so we create jobs and money and war if necessary.

Many folk on this thread have metioned a cleanout of the system and I certainly wouldn’t mind if it addressed these situations.

O.k. I rambled a little. But those points always bother me. I don’t often times see them addressed other than the incorrect accusation from time to time that all government employees are lazy.

[NotCranky]

How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

I have been on the gravy train a few months in my life, but I am interested to know how you do it for at least the two or three years that this blog has been up.

Maybe this insinuation doesn’t fit anyone and I apologize in that case. However it is apropos to this thread to mention something that is rampant in government and tax payer supported contracting and maybe other places. I am not saying that many or maybe even most people in these jobs don’t do an honest days work. I don’t know how extensively it occurs in the private sector but I think with the credit boom and small time crony capitalism it must have proliferated.

One of the bandaids I actually hope the politicians keep in the box is “Job Creation”. Authentic creativity should come first and jobs second. This is just another type of pushing on a string and has much to do with our problems. Not surprisingly the mandate falls with the fed.We could do fine,in my estimate of what fine is, with a big correction and many fewer jobs per capita when necessary. Our society is so addicted to consumption and debt that we can’t tolerate that so we create jobs and money and war if necessary.

Many folk on this thread have metioned a cleanout of the system and I certainly wouldn’t mind if it addressed these situations.

O.k. I rambled a little. But those points always bother me. I don’t often times see them addressed other than the incorrect accusation from time to time that all government employees are lazy.

[NotCranky]

How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

I have been on the gravy train a few months in my life, but I am interested to know how you do it for at least the two or three years that this blog has been up.

Maybe this insinuation doesn’t fit anyone and I apologize in that case. However it is apropos to this thread to mention something that is rampant in government and tax payer supported contracting and maybe other places. I am not saying that many or maybe even most people in these jobs don’t do an honest days work. I don’t know how extensively it occurs in the private sector but I think with the credit boom and small time crony capitalism it must have proliferated.

One of the bandaids I actually hope the politicians keep in the box is “Job Creation”. Authentic creativity should come first and jobs second. This is just another type of pushing on a string and has much to do with our problems. Not surprisingly the mandate falls with the fed.We could do fine,in my estimate of what fine is, with a big correction and many fewer jobs per capita when necessary. Our society is so addicted to consumption and debt that we can’t tolerate that so we create jobs and money and war if necessary.

Many folk on this thread have metioned a cleanout of the system and I certainly wouldn’t mind if it addressed these situations.

O.k. I rambled a little. But those points always bother me. I don’t often times see them addressed other than the incorrect accusation from time to time that all government employees are lazy.

[NotCranky]

How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

I have been on the gravy train a few months in my life, but I am interested to know how you do it for at least the two or three years that this blog has been up.

Maybe this insinuation doesn’t fit anyone and I apologize in that case. However it is apropos to this thread to mention something that is rampant in government and tax payer supported contracting and maybe other places. I am not saying that many or maybe even most people in these jobs don’t do an honest days work. I don’t know how extensively it occurs in the private sector but I think with the credit boom and small time crony capitalism it must have proliferated.

One of the bandaids I actually hope the politicians keep in the box is “Job Creation”. Authentic creativity should come first and jobs second. This is just another type of pushing on a string and has much to do with our problems. Not surprisingly the mandate falls with the fed.We could do fine,in my estimate of what fine is, with a big correction and many fewer jobs per capita when necessary. Our society is so addicted to consumption and debt that we can’t tolerate that so we create jobs and money and war if necessary.

Many folk on this thread have metioned a cleanout of the system and I certainly wouldn’t mind if it addressed these situations.

O.k. I rambled a little. But those points always bother me. I don’t often times see them addressed other than the incorrect accusation from time to time that all government employees are lazy.

[NotCranky]

How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

I have been on the gravy train a few months in my life, but I am interested to know how you do it for at least the two or three years that this blog has been up.

Maybe this insinuation doesn’t fit anyone and I apologize in that case. However it is apropos to this thread to mention something that is rampant in government and tax payer supported contracting and maybe other places. I am not saying that many or maybe even most people in these jobs don’t do an honest days work. I don’t know how extensively it occurs in the private sector but I think with the credit boom and small time crony capitalism it must have proliferated.

One of the bandaids I actually hope the politicians keep in the box is “Job Creation”. Authentic creativity should come first and jobs second. This is just another type of pushing on a string and has much to do with our problems. Not surprisingly the mandate falls with the fed.We could do fine,in my estimate of what fine is, with a big correction and many fewer jobs per capita when necessary. Our society is so addicted to consumption and debt that we can’t tolerate that so we create jobs and money and war if necessary.

Many folk on this thread have metioned a cleanout of the system and I certainly wouldn’t mind if it addressed these situations.

O.k. I rambled a little. But those points always bother me. I don’t often times see them addressed other than the incorrect accusation from time to time that all government employees are lazy.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rustico]How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

[/quote]

It’s quite simple actually…

1) when part of your team or otherwise is in the Bangalore office trying to integrate to the stuff you have, and you’re waiting for things like network, IT work to be done, or you’re on hold waiting for a deployment, or trying to listen to a status meeting in the wee hours…You’re sort of half awake. That might be with your full time job or with your side job (assuming you bought into the outsourcing thing)…. You can’t go to sleep, but it’s not the most time intensive/thought provoking thing you need to do So you try to kill time to stay awake while you’re kinda in a zombie state waiting for feedback on whether something you asked to get done was done or not, vice versa. At the same time, you’re not exactly in the most coherent frame of mind to do really any real meaningful work, like write an application.

Ironic, I can’t imagine what production support/operations folks do. But then again, they get paid to be on call all the time.

2) You have a stubborn kid that wakes you in the wee hours at night. And then you have an accute case of insomnia, and cant fall asleep afterwards.

3) You literally get use to it that you can’t sleep longer than 4-5 hrs at night. Because you end up feeling worse if you actually get 8+ hours.

4) You’re addicted to a blog. And despite BA (blogger anonymous), where’ you’re desperately trying not to crack open the browser), somehow in some twisted means, you sort of miss the folks you bash or bash you if you don’t check in every so often. Frankly, I’m trying to find a blog much more interesting, but by far this one takes the cake in the level if interesting information and diverse posts.

So the fact is Rustico, that at least in my industry, a lot of us have VPN access, and a lot of us use our own personal computers to actually do work when we get home. It’s sort of the territory when the company gives you the benefit of more flexible time and hours. The companies I work for are more interested in (1) can you get the work done on time (and work means not only stuff you were asked to do, but any thing you need to do to put the group ahead) and (2) can you deliver on what you said you can deliver.

Shit happens at work sometimes. You get stuck into an unproductive meeting, where it requires a semi-conscious participation, yet distracting enough you can’t get your work done. Someone breaks your build, and you need to wait for stuff to get fixed. Someone forgets to setup network access, and it takes 24 hrs to do a turnover. Etc etc etc. Ok, for some of this, this occurs all the time versus just sometime. So, a management team, says get your work done, get us ahead of the curve by doing more things that we didn’t ask you to do, we don’t care how you do it as long as it gets done by date X, and as long as you show up for meetings Y, and that pretty much is it.

Provided I dont (1) look at porn at work (2) participate in any illegal activities, this sort of flexibility benefits the employer..The amount of moonlighting at work in comparison to the amount of AH work is trival. If a company really has an issue with my random moonlighting on the web, then there wouldn’t be an expectation that “i need to do whatever it takes to deliver something” if the sh!t hits the fan that’s beyond my control too. It would be 8-6pm for me, and don’t call me after hours, and don’t give me a company phone in case you need to get a hold of me. Fact is, a lot of us do a lot of “undocumented hours” of work, which pails in comparison to actual non-work inside the company.

“Old school” employees punch in and punch out at preset times, regardless of the tasks gets done and/or demand overtime pay if they need to do otherwise….Large defense companies are an example. Typically, punch in and punch out, unless your a C level exec. In constrast, some of the other companies, overtime is expected if that’s what it takes to deliver (without overtime pay).

wow, it’s 7am…Time to go to work… Oh wait, I was already at work…Time to go to work again 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=Rustico]How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

[/quote]

It’s quite simple actually…

1) when part of your team or otherwise is in the Bangalore office trying to integrate to the stuff you have, and you’re waiting for things like network, IT work to be done, or you’re on hold waiting for a deployment, or trying to listen to a status meeting in the wee hours…You’re sort of half awake. That might be with your full time job or with your side job (assuming you bought into the outsourcing thing)…. You can’t go to sleep, but it’s not the most time intensive/thought provoking thing you need to do So you try to kill time to stay awake while you’re kinda in a zombie state waiting for feedback on whether something you asked to get done was done or not, vice versa. At the same time, you’re not exactly in the most coherent frame of mind to do really any real meaningful work, like write an application.

Ironic, I can’t imagine what production support/operations folks do. But then again, they get paid to be on call all the time.

2) You have a stubborn kid that wakes you in the wee hours at night. And then you have an accute case of insomnia, and cant fall asleep afterwards.

3) You literally get use to it that you can’t sleep longer than 4-5 hrs at night. Because you end up feeling worse if you actually get 8+ hours.

4) You’re addicted to a blog. And despite BA (blogger anonymous), where’ you’re desperately trying not to crack open the browser), somehow in some twisted means, you sort of miss the folks you bash or bash you if you don’t check in every so often. Frankly, I’m trying to find a blog much more interesting, but by far this one takes the cake in the level if interesting information and diverse posts.

So the fact is Rustico, that at least in my industry, a lot of us have VPN access, and a lot of us use our own personal computers to actually do work when we get home. It’s sort of the territory when the company gives you the benefit of more flexible time and hours. The companies I work for are more interested in (1) can you get the work done on time (and work means not only stuff you were asked to do, but any thing you need to do to put the group ahead) and (2) can you deliver on what you said you can deliver.

Shit happens at work sometimes. You get stuck into an unproductive meeting, where it requires a semi-conscious participation, yet distracting enough you can’t get your work done. Someone breaks your build, and you need to wait for stuff to get fixed. Someone forgets to setup network access, and it takes 24 hrs to do a turnover. Etc etc etc. Ok, for some of this, this occurs all the time versus just sometime. So, a management team, says get your work done, get us ahead of the curve by doing more things that we didn’t ask you to do, we don’t care how you do it as long as it gets done by date X, and as long as you show up for meetings Y, and that pretty much is it.

Provided I dont (1) look at porn at work (2) participate in any illegal activities, this sort of flexibility benefits the employer..The amount of moonlighting at work in comparison to the amount of AH work is trival. If a company really has an issue with my random moonlighting on the web, then there wouldn’t be an expectation that “i need to do whatever it takes to deliver something” if the sh!t hits the fan that’s beyond my control too. It would be 8-6pm for me, and don’t call me after hours, and don’t give me a company phone in case you need to get a hold of me. Fact is, a lot of us do a lot of “undocumented hours” of work, which pails in comparison to actual non-work inside the company.

“Old school” employees punch in and punch out at preset times, regardless of the tasks gets done and/or demand overtime pay if they need to do otherwise….Large defense companies are an example. Typically, punch in and punch out, unless your a C level exec. In constrast, some of the other companies, overtime is expected if that’s what it takes to deliver (without overtime pay).

wow, it’s 7am…Time to go to work… Oh wait, I was already at work…Time to go to work again 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=Rustico]How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

[/quote]

It’s quite simple actually…

1) when part of your team or otherwise is in the Bangalore office trying to integrate to the stuff you have, and you’re waiting for things like network, IT work to be done, or you’re on hold waiting for a deployment, or trying to listen to a status meeting in the wee hours…You’re sort of half awake. That might be with your full time job or with your side job (assuming you bought into the outsourcing thing)…. You can’t go to sleep, but it’s not the most time intensive/thought provoking thing you need to do So you try to kill time to stay awake while you’re kinda in a zombie state waiting for feedback on whether something you asked to get done was done or not, vice versa. At the same time, you’re not exactly in the most coherent frame of mind to do really any real meaningful work, like write an application.

Ironic, I can’t imagine what production support/operations folks do. But then again, they get paid to be on call all the time.

2) You have a stubborn kid that wakes you in the wee hours at night. And then you have an accute case of insomnia, and cant fall asleep afterwards.

3) You literally get use to it that you can’t sleep longer than 4-5 hrs at night. Because you end up feeling worse if you actually get 8+ hours.

4) You’re addicted to a blog. And despite BA (blogger anonymous), where’ you’re desperately trying not to crack open the browser), somehow in some twisted means, you sort of miss the folks you bash or bash you if you don’t check in every so often. Frankly, I’m trying to find a blog much more interesting, but by far this one takes the cake in the level if interesting information and diverse posts.

So the fact is Rustico, that at least in my industry, a lot of us have VPN access, and a lot of us use our own personal computers to actually do work when we get home. It’s sort of the territory when the company gives you the benefit of more flexible time and hours. The companies I work for are more interested in (1) can you get the work done on time (and work means not only stuff you were asked to do, but any thing you need to do to put the group ahead) and (2) can you deliver on what you said you can deliver.

Shit happens at work sometimes. You get stuck into an unproductive meeting, where it requires a semi-conscious participation, yet distracting enough you can’t get your work done. Someone breaks your build, and you need to wait for stuff to get fixed. Someone forgets to setup network access, and it takes 24 hrs to do a turnover. Etc etc etc. Ok, for some of this, this occurs all the time versus just sometime. So, a management team, says get your work done, get us ahead of the curve by doing more things that we didn’t ask you to do, we don’t care how you do it as long as it gets done by date X, and as long as you show up for meetings Y, and that pretty much is it.

Provided I dont (1) look at porn at work (2) participate in any illegal activities, this sort of flexibility benefits the employer..The amount of moonlighting at work in comparison to the amount of AH work is trival. If a company really has an issue with my random moonlighting on the web, then there wouldn’t be an expectation that “i need to do whatever it takes to deliver something” if the sh!t hits the fan that’s beyond my control too. It would be 8-6pm for me, and don’t call me after hours, and don’t give me a company phone in case you need to get a hold of me. Fact is, a lot of us do a lot of “undocumented hours” of work, which pails in comparison to actual non-work inside the company.

“Old school” employees punch in and punch out at preset times, regardless of the tasks gets done and/or demand overtime pay if they need to do otherwise….Large defense companies are an example. Typically, punch in and punch out, unless your a C level exec. In constrast, some of the other companies, overtime is expected if that’s what it takes to deliver (without overtime pay).

wow, it’s 7am…Time to go to work… Oh wait, I was already at work…Time to go to work again 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=Rustico]How is it that a few of you on this thread manage to be here posting extensively, all hours of the day and night and speak of activities outside of your own job that are incredibly demanding or fun and still be worth the 6 figures they pay you at your primary job?

[/quote]

It’s quite simple actually…

1) when part of your team or otherwise is in the Bangalore office trying to integrate to the stuff you have, and you’re waiting for things like network, IT work to be done, or you’re on hold waiting for a deployment, or trying to listen to a status meeting in the wee hours…You’re sort of half awake. That might be with your full time job or with your side job (assuming you bought into the outsourcing thing)…. You can’t go to sleep, but it’s not the most time intensive/thought provoking thing you need to do So you try to kill time to stay awake while you’re kinda in a zombie state waiting for feedback on whether something you asked to get done was done or not, vice versa. At the same time, you’re not exactly in the most coherent frame of mind to do really any real meaningful work, like write an application.

Ironic, I can’t imagine what production support/operations folks do. But then again, they get paid to be on call all the time.

2) You have a stubborn kid that wakes you in the wee hours at night. And then you have an accute case of insomnia, and cant fall asleep afterwards.

3) You literally get use to it that you can’t sleep longer than 4-5 hrs at night. Because you end up feeling worse if you actually get 8+ hours.

4) You’re addicted to a blog. And despite BA (blogger anonymous), where’ you’re desperately trying not to crack open the browser), somehow in some twisted means, you sort of miss the folks you bash or bash you if you don’t check in every so often. Frankly, I’m trying to find a blog much more interesting, but by far this one takes the cake in the level if interesting information and diverse posts.

So the fact is Rustico, that at least in my industry, a lot of us have VPN access, and a lot of us use our own personal computers to actually do work when we get home. It’s sort of the territory when the company gives you the benefit of more flexible time and hours. The companies I work for are more interested in (1) can you get the work done on time (and work means not only stuff you were asked to do, but any thing you need to do to put the group ahead) and (2) can you deliver on what you said you can deliver.

Shit happens at work sometimes. You get stuck into an unproductive meeting, where it requires a semi-conscious participation, yet distracting enough you can’t get your work done. Someone breaks your build, and you need to wait for stuff to get fixed. Someone forgets to setup network access, and it takes 24 hrs to do a turnover. Etc etc etc. Ok, for some of this, this occurs all the time versus just sometime. So, a management team, says get your work done, get us ahead of the curve by doing more things that we didn’t ask you to do, we don’t care how you do it as long as it gets done by date X, and as long as you show up for meetings Y, and that pretty much is it.

Provided I dont (1) look at porn at work (2) participate in any illegal activities, this sort of flexibility benefits the employer..The amount of moonlighting at work in comparison to the amount of AH work is trival. If a company really has an issue with my random moonlighting on the web, then there wouldn’t be an expectation that “i need to do whatever it takes to deliver something” if the sh!t hits the fan that’s beyond my control too. It would be 8-6pm for me, and don’t call me after hours, and don’t give me a company phone in case you need to get a hold of me. Fact is, a lot of us do a lot of “undocumented hours” of work, which pails in comparison to actual non-work inside the company.

“Old school” employees punch in and punch out at preset times, regardless of the tasks gets done and/or demand overtime pay if they need to do otherwise….Large defense companies are an example. Typically, punch in and punch out, unless your a C level exec. In constrast, some of the other companies, overtime is expected if that’s what it takes to deliver (without overtime pay).

wow, it’s 7am…Time to go to work… Oh wait, I was already at work…Time to go to work again 🙂

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