American Flag not welcome on Cinco de Mayo…in the USA

[mike92104]

I think the kids did it to rebel against the dress code. I don’t think it really had any thing to do with the “5’s”

The real point of this is that the school should have just treated the day like any other school day, and should not have decided to impose a dress code that infringed on the kids rights to wear patriotic colors. The way to show support or inclusion for the 5’s would have been a lesson or two on the history of May 5th. This reeks of BS far left liberal PC run amuck, and now it has bitten them in the ass.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=scaredycat]

and also keep in mind, contextually, the schools have been pushing a “multicultural’ curriculum for decades which might tip the scales in the favor of the 5s in terms of reasonable expectations of being free from tshirt provocation.[/quote]

Scaredycat,

Would you support my right to a reasonable expectation of being free from provocation from those who would place openly display their national heritage while I was in a captive position as a public school student?

This is another “if by whiskey argument”. If by multicultural you mean a minority status it is acceptable. If you mean celebrating the majority American values that is regarded as antagonistic to the minority. Again your argument is completely out of whack from reality.

[quote=scaredycat]i could be wrong about all this, but it’s my gut reaction. it’s a complex situation, beyond any one simple recitation the facts. it might be simpler if this were gay pride day for instance and a bunch of kids were wearing KILL THE FAGS. obviosuly the US flag is different from that sign, but what if the shirt is worn with the same intent.[/quote]

When making a specific reference to engaging in violence that is a complete different circumstance than the situation in question. This is an “if by whiskey argument”. If by antagonizing you mean making a death threat. You have to be joking.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=scaredycat]

and also keep in mind, contextually, the schools have been pushing a “multicultural’ curriculum for decades which might tip the scales in the favor of the 5s in terms of reasonable expectations of being free from tshirt provocation.[/quote]

Scaredycat,

Would you support my right to a reasonable expectation of being free from provocation from those who would place openly display their national heritage while I was in a captive position as a public school student?

This is another “if by whiskey argument”. If by multicultural you mean a minority status it is acceptable. If you mean celebrating the majority American values that is regarded as antagonistic to the minority. Again your argument is completely out of whack from reality.

[quote=scaredycat]i could be wrong about all this, but it’s my gut reaction. it’s a complex situation, beyond any one simple recitation the facts. it might be simpler if this were gay pride day for instance and a bunch of kids were wearing KILL THE FAGS. obviosuly the US flag is different from that sign, but what if the shirt is worn with the same intent.[/quote]

When making a specific reference to engaging in violence that is a complete different circumstance than the situation in question. This is an “if by whiskey argument”. If by antagonizing you mean making a death threat. You have to be joking.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=scaredycat]

and also keep in mind, contextually, the schools have been pushing a “multicultural’ curriculum for decades which might tip the scales in the favor of the 5s in terms of reasonable expectations of being free from tshirt provocation.[/quote]

Scaredycat,

Would you support my right to a reasonable expectation of being free from provocation from those who would place openly display their national heritage while I was in a captive position as a public school student?

This is another “if by whiskey argument”. If by multicultural you mean a minority status it is acceptable. If you mean celebrating the majority American values that is regarded as antagonistic to the minority. Again your argument is completely out of whack from reality.

[quote=scaredycat]i could be wrong about all this, but it’s my gut reaction. it’s a complex situation, beyond any one simple recitation the facts. it might be simpler if this were gay pride day for instance and a bunch of kids were wearing KILL THE FAGS. obviosuly the US flag is different from that sign, but what if the shirt is worn with the same intent.[/quote]

When making a specific reference to engaging in violence that is a complete different circumstance than the situation in question. This is an “if by whiskey argument”. If by antagonizing you mean making a death threat. You have to be joking.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=scaredycat]

and also keep in mind, contextually, the schools have been pushing a “multicultural’ curriculum for decades which might tip the scales in the favor of the 5s in terms of reasonable expectations of being free from tshirt provocation.[/quote]

Scaredycat,

Would you support my right to a reasonable expectation of being free from provocation from those who would place openly display their national heritage while I was in a captive position as a public school student?

This is another “if by whiskey argument”. If by multicultural you mean a minority status it is acceptable. If you mean celebrating the majority American values that is regarded as antagonistic to the minority. Again your argument is completely out of whack from reality.

[quote=scaredycat]i could be wrong about all this, but it’s my gut reaction. it’s a complex situation, beyond any one simple recitation the facts. it might be simpler if this were gay pride day for instance and a bunch of kids were wearing KILL THE FAGS. obviosuly the US flag is different from that sign, but what if the shirt is worn with the same intent.[/quote]

When making a specific reference to engaging in violence that is a complete different circumstance than the situation in question. This is an “if by whiskey argument”. If by antagonizing you mean making a death threat. You have to be joking.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=scaredycat]

and also keep in mind, contextually, the schools have been pushing a “multicultural’ curriculum for decades which might tip the scales in the favor of the 5s in terms of reasonable expectations of being free from tshirt provocation.[/quote]

Scaredycat,

Would you support my right to a reasonable expectation of being free from provocation from those who would place openly display their national heritage while I was in a captive position as a public school student?

This is another “if by whiskey argument”. If by multicultural you mean a minority status it is acceptable. If you mean celebrating the majority American values that is regarded as antagonistic to the minority. Again your argument is completely out of whack from reality.

[quote=scaredycat]i could be wrong about all this, but it’s my gut reaction. it’s a complex situation, beyond any one simple recitation the facts. it might be simpler if this were gay pride day for instance and a bunch of kids were wearing KILL THE FAGS. obviosuly the US flag is different from that sign, but what if the shirt is worn with the same intent.[/quote]

When making a specific reference to engaging in violence that is a complete different circumstance than the situation in question. This is an “if by whiskey argument”. If by antagonizing you mean making a death threat. You have to be joking.

[scaredyclassic]

ok what if the t-shirts just said, fags suck? or fags go roast in hell. or fags make me sick.

yeah, I think everyone should be free from being antagonized.

i’m not saying the USA tshirts shoulda been sent home. just saying those tshirts mighta been worn witht he same intent as the guy who mighta worn a fags suck shirt on gay pride day. we can’t know his intent without some additional action on the kids part. but we don’t always wait for action and schools have wide power to control student behavior and dress. the obviosuly weird thing here is that the symbol at issue is the flag.

i dont’ know. it wouldnt be the first time ive been told im way out of whack with reality.

like, would it be ok to wear vintage us military gear at a native american pride student celebration. hey, the USA kids are just demonstrating their pride int he US military, right? what about waving a bunch of US flags and wearing a bunch of caricatured CLEVELAND INDIAN shirts outside the native americans pride presentation. just being good americans. lousy stupid indians can’t get along with anyone. buncha crybabies. why don’t they go back where they came from…hate baseball, america, applie pie. but at least they like good ol american whiskey…

best course of action; new rule; no displays of any ethnic anything ever in any public school. I don’t remember displays of pride when i was growing up. We were
jews, we knew we were better than everyone else, so there was no point to displaying any open shows of pride. wouldve been superfluous. 😉

i don’t remember the other ethnicities particularly proud either. t he lcoal italians and irish and puerto ricans, they all just seemed to go along with the program. of course, i’m old. schools have changed.

once you start with the multicultural curriculum (by that i mean, promoting diversity in ethnicity and religion as a public good) you open the door to cinqo de mayon stuff, and reactionary stuff, and the whole thing is a mess.

so, until everyone can behave, no further pride. unless you have a small penis. Schools may have Small Penis Pride Day. I think it could bring people together in a celebration of the small penis. obviously, no one can come to school with a “I’m Proud of My Huge Phallus” tshirt on that day (although it’s ok on other days). also, no throwing magnum condoms at the small penis celebrants. i think that’s reasonable and i think we can all agree on at least that much. we understand that those who have the massive cock will be justifiably proud in their large member, but they may display that pride on any other day of the year. on this day, this one special day, the tyranny of the massive cock population must allows for the small but simple pride of those with small penises.

i know that was kind a random. im obliquely referring to an interesting new internet rule referenced way back in the thread. I’m not saying one side or the other has a small penis. it could be anyone. all Im saying is, i don’t know, if by small penis you mean the smal, sad, withered and useless tool, then i am against small penises. but if by small pensies you mean the stalwart, proud penis that has impregnanted an entire nation, then I am for small penises.

interesting to read about the “if by whiskey argument” thanks jimjones!

[scaredyclassic]

ok what if the t-shirts just said, fags suck? or fags go roast in hell. or fags make me sick.

yeah, I think everyone should be free from being antagonized.

i’m not saying the USA tshirts shoulda been sent home. just saying those tshirts mighta been worn witht he same intent as the guy who mighta worn a fags suck shirt on gay pride day. we can’t know his intent without some additional action on the kids part. but we don’t always wait for action and schools have wide power to control student behavior and dress. the obviosuly weird thing here is that the symbol at issue is the flag.

i dont’ know. it wouldnt be the first time ive been told im way out of whack with reality.

like, would it be ok to wear vintage us military gear at a native american pride student celebration. hey, the USA kids are just demonstrating their pride int he US military, right? what about waving a bunch of US flags and wearing a bunch of caricatured CLEVELAND INDIAN shirts outside the native americans pride presentation. just being good americans. lousy stupid indians can’t get along with anyone. buncha crybabies. why don’t they go back where they came from…hate baseball, america, applie pie. but at least they like good ol american whiskey…

best course of action; new rule; no displays of any ethnic anything ever in any public school. I don’t remember displays of pride when i was growing up. We were
jews, we knew we were better than everyone else, so there was no point to displaying any open shows of pride. wouldve been superfluous. 😉

i don’t remember the other ethnicities particularly proud either. t he lcoal italians and irish and puerto ricans, they all just seemed to go along with the program. of course, i’m old. schools have changed.

once you start with the multicultural curriculum (by that i mean, promoting diversity in ethnicity and religion as a public good) you open the door to cinqo de mayon stuff, and reactionary stuff, and the whole thing is a mess.

so, until everyone can behave, no further pride. unless you have a small penis. Schools may have Small Penis Pride Day. I think it could bring people together in a celebration of the small penis. obviously, no one can come to school with a “I’m Proud of My Huge Phallus” tshirt on that day (although it’s ok on other days). also, no throwing magnum condoms at the small penis celebrants. i think that’s reasonable and i think we can all agree on at least that much. we understand that those who have the massive cock will be justifiably proud in their large member, but they may display that pride on any other day of the year. on this day, this one special day, the tyranny of the massive cock population must allows for the small but simple pride of those with small penises.

i know that was kind a random. im obliquely referring to an interesting new internet rule referenced way back in the thread. I’m not saying one side or the other has a small penis. it could be anyone. all Im saying is, i don’t know, if by small penis you mean the smal, sad, withered and useless tool, then i am against small penises. but if by small pensies you mean the stalwart, proud penis that has impregnanted an entire nation, then I am for small penises.

interesting to read about the “if by whiskey argument” thanks jimjones!

[scaredyclassic]

ok what if the t-shirts just said, fags suck? or fags go roast in hell. or fags make me sick.

yeah, I think everyone should be free from being antagonized.

i’m not saying the USA tshirts shoulda been sent home. just saying those tshirts mighta been worn witht he same intent as the guy who mighta worn a fags suck shirt on gay pride day. we can’t know his intent without some additional action on the kids part. but we don’t always wait for action and schools have wide power to control student behavior and dress. the obviosuly weird thing here is that the symbol at issue is the flag.

i dont’ know. it wouldnt be the first time ive been told im way out of whack with reality.

like, would it be ok to wear vintage us military gear at a native american pride student celebration. hey, the USA kids are just demonstrating their pride int he US military, right? what about waving a bunch of US flags and wearing a bunch of caricatured CLEVELAND INDIAN shirts outside the native americans pride presentation. just being good americans. lousy stupid indians can’t get along with anyone. buncha crybabies. why don’t they go back where they came from…hate baseball, america, applie pie. but at least they like good ol american whiskey…

best course of action; new rule; no displays of any ethnic anything ever in any public school. I don’t remember displays of pride when i was growing up. We were
jews, we knew we were better than everyone else, so there was no point to displaying any open shows of pride. wouldve been superfluous. 😉

i don’t remember the other ethnicities particularly proud either. t he lcoal italians and irish and puerto ricans, they all just seemed to go along with the program. of course, i’m old. schools have changed.

once you start with the multicultural curriculum (by that i mean, promoting diversity in ethnicity and religion as a public good) you open the door to cinqo de mayon stuff, and reactionary stuff, and the whole thing is a mess.

so, until everyone can behave, no further pride. unless you have a small penis. Schools may have Small Penis Pride Day. I think it could bring people together in a celebration of the small penis. obviously, no one can come to school with a “I’m Proud of My Huge Phallus” tshirt on that day (although it’s ok on other days). also, no throwing magnum condoms at the small penis celebrants. i think that’s reasonable and i think we can all agree on at least that much. we understand that those who have the massive cock will be justifiably proud in their large member, but they may display that pride on any other day of the year. on this day, this one special day, the tyranny of the massive cock population must allows for the small but simple pride of those with small penises.

i know that was kind a random. im obliquely referring to an interesting new internet rule referenced way back in the thread. I’m not saying one side or the other has a small penis. it could be anyone. all Im saying is, i don’t know, if by small penis you mean the smal, sad, withered and useless tool, then i am against small penises. but if by small pensies you mean the stalwart, proud penis that has impregnanted an entire nation, then I am for small penises.

interesting to read about the “if by whiskey argument” thanks jimjones!

[scaredyclassic]

ok what if the t-shirts just said, fags suck? or fags go roast in hell. or fags make me sick.

yeah, I think everyone should be free from being antagonized.

i’m not saying the USA tshirts shoulda been sent home. just saying those tshirts mighta been worn witht he same intent as the guy who mighta worn a fags suck shirt on gay pride day. we can’t know his intent without some additional action on the kids part. but we don’t always wait for action and schools have wide power to control student behavior and dress. the obviosuly weird thing here is that the symbol at issue is the flag.

i dont’ know. it wouldnt be the first time ive been told im way out of whack with reality.

like, would it be ok to wear vintage us military gear at a native american pride student celebration. hey, the USA kids are just demonstrating their pride int he US military, right? what about waving a bunch of US flags and wearing a bunch of caricatured CLEVELAND INDIAN shirts outside the native americans pride presentation. just being good americans. lousy stupid indians can’t get along with anyone. buncha crybabies. why don’t they go back where they came from…hate baseball, america, applie pie. but at least they like good ol american whiskey…

best course of action; new rule; no displays of any ethnic anything ever in any public school. I don’t remember displays of pride when i was growing up. We were
jews, we knew we were better than everyone else, so there was no point to displaying any open shows of pride. wouldve been superfluous. 😉

i don’t remember the other ethnicities particularly proud either. t he lcoal italians and irish and puerto ricans, they all just seemed to go along with the program. of course, i’m old. schools have changed.

once you start with the multicultural curriculum (by that i mean, promoting diversity in ethnicity and religion as a public good) you open the door to cinqo de mayon stuff, and reactionary stuff, and the whole thing is a mess.

so, until everyone can behave, no further pride. unless you have a small penis. Schools may have Small Penis Pride Day. I think it could bring people together in a celebration of the small penis. obviously, no one can come to school with a “I’m Proud of My Huge Phallus” tshirt on that day (although it’s ok on other days). also, no throwing magnum condoms at the small penis celebrants. i think that’s reasonable and i think we can all agree on at least that much. we understand that those who have the massive cock will be justifiably proud in their large member, but they may display that pride on any other day of the year. on this day, this one special day, the tyranny of the massive cock population must allows for the small but simple pride of those with small penises.

i know that was kind a random. im obliquely referring to an interesting new internet rule referenced way back in the thread. I’m not saying one side or the other has a small penis. it could be anyone. all Im saying is, i don’t know, if by small penis you mean the smal, sad, withered and useless tool, then i am against small penises. but if by small pensies you mean the stalwart, proud penis that has impregnanted an entire nation, then I am for small penises.

interesting to read about the “if by whiskey argument” thanks jimjones!

[scaredyclassic]

ok what if the t-shirts just said, fags suck? or fags go roast in hell. or fags make me sick.

yeah, I think everyone should be free from being antagonized.

i’m not saying the USA tshirts shoulda been sent home. just saying those tshirts mighta been worn witht he same intent as the guy who mighta worn a fags suck shirt on gay pride day. we can’t know his intent without some additional action on the kids part. but we don’t always wait for action and schools have wide power to control student behavior and dress. the obviosuly weird thing here is that the symbol at issue is the flag.

i dont’ know. it wouldnt be the first time ive been told im way out of whack with reality.

like, would it be ok to wear vintage us military gear at a native american pride student celebration. hey, the USA kids are just demonstrating their pride int he US military, right? what about waving a bunch of US flags and wearing a bunch of caricatured CLEVELAND INDIAN shirts outside the native americans pride presentation. just being good americans. lousy stupid indians can’t get along with anyone. buncha crybabies. why don’t they go back where they came from…hate baseball, america, applie pie. but at least they like good ol american whiskey…

best course of action; new rule; no displays of any ethnic anything ever in any public school. I don’t remember displays of pride when i was growing up. We were
jews, we knew we were better than everyone else, so there was no point to displaying any open shows of pride. wouldve been superfluous. 😉

i don’t remember the other ethnicities particularly proud either. t he lcoal italians and irish and puerto ricans, they all just seemed to go along with the program. of course, i’m old. schools have changed.

once you start with the multicultural curriculum (by that i mean, promoting diversity in ethnicity and religion as a public good) you open the door to cinqo de mayon stuff, and reactionary stuff, and the whole thing is a mess.

so, until everyone can behave, no further pride. unless you have a small penis. Schools may have Small Penis Pride Day. I think it could bring people together in a celebration of the small penis. obviously, no one can come to school with a “I’m Proud of My Huge Phallus” tshirt on that day (although it’s ok on other days). also, no throwing magnum condoms at the small penis celebrants. i think that’s reasonable and i think we can all agree on at least that much. we understand that those who have the massive cock will be justifiably proud in their large member, but they may display that pride on any other day of the year. on this day, this one special day, the tyranny of the massive cock population must allows for the small but simple pride of those with small penises.

i know that was kind a random. im obliquely referring to an interesting new internet rule referenced way back in the thread. I’m not saying one side or the other has a small penis. it could be anyone. all Im saying is, i don’t know, if by small penis you mean the smal, sad, withered and useless tool, then i am against small penises. but if by small pensies you mean the stalwart, proud penis that has impregnanted an entire nation, then I am for small penises.

interesting to read about the “if by whiskey argument” thanks jimjones!

[Coronita]

[quote=KIBU]
Regarding what FLU said: Until the United States changes it’s official language from English or officially is bilingual, anything but the English language is/should be an “optional” language, at the sole discretion of the individual/family/or parent.

I don’t know what the fuss about “learn English” that I always hear about. It shows me how insecure some Americans are (aside from using it as a way to claim victim or just being uninformed).

I am an immigrant. First priority for immigrants is to survive. You have to adapt, relearn everything and learning English is part of the process to survive in this country that all immigrants I have known all do. However, immigrants are here from newly born to 100 years old person and no one can expect everyone to have the same proficiency in English. Come on, every immigrant I know would be proud to know English. My dad was shy when he could speak English a little, but he taught himself to read English enough to read newspaper. I was proud at one time to realize that I no longer had problem communicating with others. I am still reminded by people to improve my English though, it’s like a game that you will never win. Learning English is part of immigrant’s survival tool. Probably, it’s the blame game and insecurity that keep the “learn English” drumming to go on.

[/quote]

It’s not part of the blame game, it’s the fact of life, that emigrate to a foreign place, with a foreign soil, there is an official language which is the common language everyone who interacts with for which countless governmental dollars should be directed into. Especially in America, where there is so much cultural diversity, the U.S. government cannot possible spend all the financial/social resources to put every language/culture program through school. Nor would our kids tolerate having to learn every possible language/culture in depth. Nor would parents (inclusive) wants our kids to have our educators “force” us to teach our kids several foreign cultures/languages, etc.

It might be convenient for you/your family/your interest/your kids to learn Spanish, or to spend an X number of class days accommodating other culture’s holidays/celebrations in a PUBLIC school on PUBLIC school time/dollars, rather than educators spending time/resources/dollars to teach the 3 r’s adequately, but that’s certainly not what other parents would want, when our public schools can’t even teach the 3 r’s right.

All this cultural hoopla belongs in one place: at home or on personal time…Again, for the very same reason, I’m sure you would object if all the sudden educators wanted to start teaching about God to your kids, say Shitoism.

As much as I would like my kid to learn Chinese for her benefit, having a public school force Mandarin or have a day in which kids can’t where necklaces with a cross on a day to recognize some Buddha holiday or not allowing kids to wear a shirt with a U.S. flag the day Mao overran the Nationalist party, I’m sorry, is something our PUBLIC educators is overstepping their boundary.
(Not to mention, if Mandarin was a mandatory language for PUBLIC schools, most kids would probably flunk out, including me if I were a kid).

You want a school mandatory (insert your foreign language here) or mandatory (insert your foreign culture) here program school? Find a charter/private school where it’s belongs. Folks that attend charter/private schools are doing so by choice, and explicitly choosing to participate with a specific program.

Side note: folks always ask why asian parents are so picky about schools. This is exactly why. Teach the damn 3r’s right rather then spend countless time/resources on everything else and not even get the 3r’s right. I haven’t researched this, but I’m curious what the school’s API ranking is. I’d say if it has time with this sort of B.S., it’s probably not doing a very good job education kids.

[Coronita]

[quote=KIBU]
Regarding what FLU said: Until the United States changes it’s official language from English or officially is bilingual, anything but the English language is/should be an “optional” language, at the sole discretion of the individual/family/or parent.

I don’t know what the fuss about “learn English” that I always hear about. It shows me how insecure some Americans are (aside from using it as a way to claim victim or just being uninformed).

I am an immigrant. First priority for immigrants is to survive. You have to adapt, relearn everything and learning English is part of the process to survive in this country that all immigrants I have known all do. However, immigrants are here from newly born to 100 years old person and no one can expect everyone to have the same proficiency in English. Come on, every immigrant I know would be proud to know English. My dad was shy when he could speak English a little, but he taught himself to read English enough to read newspaper. I was proud at one time to realize that I no longer had problem communicating with others. I am still reminded by people to improve my English though, it’s like a game that you will never win. Learning English is part of immigrant’s survival tool. Probably, it’s the blame game and insecurity that keep the “learn English” drumming to go on.

[/quote]

It’s not part of the blame game, it’s the fact of life, that emigrate to a foreign place, with a foreign soil, there is an official language which is the common language everyone who interacts with for which countless governmental dollars should be directed into. Especially in America, where there is so much cultural diversity, the U.S. government cannot possible spend all the financial/social resources to put every language/culture program through school. Nor would our kids tolerate having to learn every possible language/culture in depth. Nor would parents (inclusive) wants our kids to have our educators “force” us to teach our kids several foreign cultures/languages, etc.

It might be convenient for you/your family/your interest/your kids to learn Spanish, or to spend an X number of class days accommodating other culture’s holidays/celebrations in a PUBLIC school on PUBLIC school time/dollars, rather than educators spending time/resources/dollars to teach the 3 r’s adequately, but that’s certainly not what other parents would want, when our public schools can’t even teach the 3 r’s right.

All this cultural hoopla belongs in one place: at home or on personal time…Again, for the very same reason, I’m sure you would object if all the sudden educators wanted to start teaching about God to your kids, say Shitoism.

As much as I would like my kid to learn Chinese for her benefit, having a public school force Mandarin or have a day in which kids can’t where necklaces with a cross on a day to recognize some Buddha holiday or not allowing kids to wear a shirt with a U.S. flag the day Mao overran the Nationalist party, I’m sorry, is something our PUBLIC educators is overstepping their boundary.
(Not to mention, if Mandarin was a mandatory language for PUBLIC schools, most kids would probably flunk out, including me if I were a kid).

You want a school mandatory (insert your foreign language here) or mandatory (insert your foreign culture) here program school? Find a charter/private school where it’s belongs. Folks that attend charter/private schools are doing so by choice, and explicitly choosing to participate with a specific program.

Side note: folks always ask why asian parents are so picky about schools. This is exactly why. Teach the damn 3r’s right rather then spend countless time/resources on everything else and not even get the 3r’s right. I haven’t researched this, but I’m curious what the school’s API ranking is. I’d say if it has time with this sort of B.S., it’s probably not doing a very good job education kids.

[Coronita]

[quote=KIBU]
Regarding what FLU said: Until the United States changes it’s official language from English or officially is bilingual, anything but the English language is/should be an “optional” language, at the sole discretion of the individual/family/or parent.

I don’t know what the fuss about “learn English” that I always hear about. It shows me how insecure some Americans are (aside from using it as a way to claim victim or just being uninformed).

I am an immigrant. First priority for immigrants is to survive. You have to adapt, relearn everything and learning English is part of the process to survive in this country that all immigrants I have known all do. However, immigrants are here from newly born to 100 years old person and no one can expect everyone to have the same proficiency in English. Come on, every immigrant I know would be proud to know English. My dad was shy when he could speak English a little, but he taught himself to read English enough to read newspaper. I was proud at one time to realize that I no longer had problem communicating with others. I am still reminded by people to improve my English though, it’s like a game that you will never win. Learning English is part of immigrant’s survival tool. Probably, it’s the blame game and insecurity that keep the “learn English” drumming to go on.

[/quote]

It’s not part of the blame game, it’s the fact of life, that emigrate to a foreign place, with a foreign soil, there is an official language which is the common language everyone who interacts with for which countless governmental dollars should be directed into. Especially in America, where there is so much cultural diversity, the U.S. government cannot possible spend all the financial/social resources to put every language/culture program through school. Nor would our kids tolerate having to learn every possible language/culture in depth. Nor would parents (inclusive) wants our kids to have our educators “force” us to teach our kids several foreign cultures/languages, etc.

It might be convenient for you/your family/your interest/your kids to learn Spanish, or to spend an X number of class days accommodating other culture’s holidays/celebrations in a PUBLIC school on PUBLIC school time/dollars, rather than educators spending time/resources/dollars to teach the 3 r’s adequately, but that’s certainly not what other parents would want, when our public schools can’t even teach the 3 r’s right.

All this cultural hoopla belongs in one place: at home or on personal time…Again, for the very same reason, I’m sure you would object if all the sudden educators wanted to start teaching about God to your kids, say Shitoism.

As much as I would like my kid to learn Chinese for her benefit, having a public school force Mandarin or have a day in which kids can’t where necklaces with a cross on a day to recognize some Buddha holiday or not allowing kids to wear a shirt with a U.S. flag the day Mao overran the Nationalist party, I’m sorry, is something our PUBLIC educators is overstepping their boundary.
(Not to mention, if Mandarin was a mandatory language for PUBLIC schools, most kids would probably flunk out, including me if I were a kid).

You want a school mandatory (insert your foreign language here) or mandatory (insert your foreign culture) here program school? Find a charter/private school where it’s belongs. Folks that attend charter/private schools are doing so by choice, and explicitly choosing to participate with a specific program.

Side note: folks always ask why asian parents are so picky about schools. This is exactly why. Teach the damn 3r’s right rather then spend countless time/resources on everything else and not even get the 3r’s right. I haven’t researched this, but I’m curious what the school’s API ranking is. I’d say if it has time with this sort of B.S., it’s probably not doing a very good job education kids.

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Regarding what FLU said: Until the United States changes it’s official language from English or officially is bilingual, anything but the English language is/should be an “optional” language, at the sole discretion of the individual/family/or parent.

I don’t know what the fuss about “learn English” that I always hear about. It shows me how insecure some Americans are (aside from using it as a way to claim victim or just being uninformed).

I am an immigrant. First priority for immigrants is to survive. You have to adapt, relearn everything and learning English is part of the process to survive in this country that all immigrants I have known all do. However, immigrants are here from newly born to 100 years old person and no one can expect everyone to have the same proficiency in English. Come on, every immigrant I know would be proud to know English. My dad was shy when he could speak English a little, but he taught himself to read English enough to read newspaper. I was proud at one time to realize that I no longer had problem communicating with others. I am still reminded by people to improve my English though, it’s like a game that you will never win. Learning English is part of immigrant’s survival tool. Probably, it’s the blame game and insecurity that keep the “learn English” drumming to go on.

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It’s not part of the blame game, it’s the fact of life, that emigrate to a foreign place, with a foreign soil, there is an official language which is the common language everyone who interacts with for which countless governmental dollars should be directed into. Especially in America, where there is so much cultural diversity, the U.S. government cannot possible spend all the financial/social resources to put every language/culture program through school. Nor would our kids tolerate having to learn every possible language/culture in depth. Nor would parents (inclusive) wants our kids to have our educators “force” us to teach our kids several foreign cultures/languages, etc.

It might be convenient for you/your family/your interest/your kids to learn Spanish, or to spend an X number of class days accommodating other culture’s holidays/celebrations in a PUBLIC school on PUBLIC school time/dollars, rather than educators spending time/resources/dollars to teach the 3 r’s adequately, but that’s certainly not what other parents would want, when our public schools can’t even teach the 3 r’s right.

All this cultural hoopla belongs in one place: at home or on personal time…Again, for the very same reason, I’m sure you would object if all the sudden educators wanted to start teaching about God to your kids, say Shitoism.

As much as I would like my kid to learn Chinese for her benefit, having a public school force Mandarin or have a day in which kids can’t where necklaces with a cross on a day to recognize some Buddha holiday or not allowing kids to wear a shirt with a U.S. flag the day Mao overran the Nationalist party, I’m sorry, is something our PUBLIC educators is overstepping their boundary.
(Not to mention, if Mandarin was a mandatory language for PUBLIC schools, most kids would probably flunk out, including me if I were a kid).

You want a school mandatory (insert your foreign language here) or mandatory (insert your foreign culture) here program school? Find a charter/private school where it’s belongs. Folks that attend charter/private schools are doing so by choice, and explicitly choosing to participate with a specific program.

Side note: folks always ask why asian parents are so picky about schools. This is exactly why. Teach the damn 3r’s right rather then spend countless time/resources on everything else and not even get the 3r’s right. I haven’t researched this, but I’m curious what the school’s API ranking is. I’d say if it has time with this sort of B.S., it’s probably not doing a very good job education kids.

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