98.7 perc riverside icu beds full today

[spdrun]

Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.

We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.

[gogogosandiego]

[quote=spdrun]Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.

We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.[/quote]

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/13/photos-videos-posted-to-social-media-show-streets-packed-with-people-outside-manhattan-bars-restaurants-friday-night/

[The-Shoveler]

^^^^

I guess this is where we test the 20% burn out theory.

The way I understand it about 80% of the population has at least some natural immunity according to the theory anyway.

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun]Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.

We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.[/quote]

Glad that you survived covid in NYC, because for a moment you went dark and thought something bad happened… I’m sure it must have been a terrifying ordeal being in an epicenter watching lots of people die and to think you could catch it and die from it. I would havee been scared straight.But I guess now that NYC is getting better, and no longer the epicenter, you don’t need to worry and stress about it anymore and you can resume the normalcy…in wishing others elsewhere die. Some people will never learn even after a brush with death 🙁

[outtamojo]

[quote=The-Shoveler]^^^^

I guess this is where we test the 20% burn out theory.

The way I understand it about 80% of the population has at least some natural immunity according to the theory anyway.[/quote]

The risk is there are still too many unknowns re the damage covid can cause to the body.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/new-arizona-concern-study-shows-asymptomatic-covid-patients-could-have-long-term-lung-damage/article_64903642-bb36-11ea-b48c-efd576ab9ba1.html

If you start with permanent lung damage and then stack the usual comorbidities as you age then saving for a nice retirement
might not seem like a good idea.

[The-Shoveler]

IMO the Idea behind the “20% burn out theory” is that most likely in NYC it is already “done” (over) for the most part anyway and they are unlikely to see a large spike in new cases.

[spdrun]

I don’t want people to die. I want people to WEAR MASKS and take other basic precautions, even if complete distancing is impractical. Yet people are screaming that masks are some sort of NWO/Chinese conspiracy designed to impurify their precious bodily fluids. If people are really that dumb, maybe the only choice is to let it spread to minimize the duration of the agony, even if the magnitude is increased.

Also, the odds of hospitalization for someone under 60 are about 0.8%. Divide that by an 20% chance of infection, and you get 0.2% chance of hospitalization. Say 10% of hospitalized patients died; the chance of death under age 60 was likely about 0.02%. Hardly a brush.

[livinincali]

[quote=spdrun]Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.

We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.[/quote]

The CDC itself doesn’t believe in face masks preventing anything. Handwashing it fairly proven but that’s hard to measure with viral photos, wearing facewmasks is easy. You can public shame someone for not wearing a facemask but hand washing not so much.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR2V1hPqN0WKb2kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

[quote]
Face Masks

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
[/quote]

Bottom line Covid ain’t going away and a vaccine is unlikely to work. It’s probably time to just live with it and let the cards fall where they may. Thinking another couple of months of social distancing and face masks is going to resolve it is a pipe dream.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=livinincali][quote=spdrun]Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.

We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.[/quote]

The CDC itself doesn’t believe in face masks preventing anything. Handwashing it fairly proven but that’s hard to measure with viral photos, wearing facewmasks is easy. You can public shame someone for not wearing a facemask but hand washing not so much.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR2V1hPqN0WKb2kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

[quote]
Face Masks

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
[/quote]

Bottom line Covid ain’t going away and a vaccine is unlikely to work. It’s probably time to just live with it and let the cards fall where they may. Thinking another couple of months of social distancing and face masks is going to resolve it is a pipe dream.[/quote]

that’s the spirit that made America great!

Other countries managed to control it. we just suck, so let it rip. They’re jealous of our freedom.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=scaredyclassic][/quote
that’s the spirit that made America great!

Other countries managed to control it. we just suck, so let it rip. They’re jealous of our freedom.[/quote]

Not quite true (OK there are a few much much smaller countries that appear to have done a better job) but even in china they are having second waves and mostly in the hardest hit areas it was more of a burn out.

[DWCAP]

I would just like to point out a few key details here. This isn’t a ‘no beds for you level’ of crisis.

1) Many ICU’s run in the low to mid 90’s% full at any given time, even pre-Covid. So, 85-95% ICU beds taken is “normal”.

2) Of the ICU patients in hospital right now in Riverside, 28% are due to COVID-19. All Hospital beds are only 63% occupied right now, so alot of beds can be expanded, and non-critical surgeries and medical care can be delayed again to free up more beds. Remember, if 28% of ICU patients are COVID, than 72% of beds are not COVID. These turn over quickly.

3) San Bernadino County has only 82% of beds taken, which is actually rather low.

Surgeries can be moved or delayed. ICU beds turn over daily. There is more than 1 hospital “nearby”. There are beds available if needed.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=scaredyclassic][/quote
that’s the spirit that made America great!

Other countries managed to control it. we just suck, so let it rip. They’re jealous of our freedom.[/quote]

Not quite true (OK there are a few much much smaller countries that appear to have done a better job) but even in china they are having second waves and mostly in the hardest hit areas it was more of a burn out.[/quote]

i think we have 25% of the worlds cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

we are just a tiny bit of the worlds population but we use a disproportionately large share of its resources and its covid.

i think it is not unfair to say that we really truly suck as a nation at dealing with this. we might be good at other things, like buying tons of crap we dont need, and creating awesome weaponry, but at caring for one another and our health? we are the pits.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=DWCAP]I would just like to point out a few key details here. This isn’t a ‘no beds for you level’ of crisis.

1) Many ICU’s run in the low to mid 90’s% full at any given time, even pre-Covid. So, 85-95% ICU beds taken is “normal”.

2) Of the ICU patients in hospital right now in Riverside, 28% are due to COVID-19. All Hospital beds are only 63% occupied right now, so alot of beds can be expanded, and non-critical surgeries and medical care can be delayed again to free up more beds. Remember, if 28% of ICU patients are COVID, than 72% of beds are not COVID. These turn over quickly.

3) San Bernadino County has only 82% of beds taken, which is actually rather low.

Surgeries can be moved or delayed. ICU beds turn over daily. There is more than 1 hospital “nearby”. There are beds available if needed.[/quote]

ty. i feel better.

maybe its like looking at any trend. the mind tends to follow any curve out into paradise or disaster.

looks like the govt also is scared of the curve. further shutdowns ordered.

[DWCAP]

Actually SARS-1 virus in 2003 had anti-body immunity measured at about ~24months. Most flu virus’s immunity only lasts about 8 months. The human body SUCKS at remembering COVID type virus’s, and yes, you can get both the flu (and prob) COVID-19 repeatedly. I have no idea where people get the idea this is a one and done virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851497/

My feeling is that we will all have an experience with COVID-19. Most of us (esp under the age of 60) will get it, have no idea, and be done with it. This will be repeated bi-annually (24-36 months) unless the virus mutates away from us (if ever).

Every year a few will get sick, and a even smaller number need hospitalization. We already have a MUCH MUCH better idea how to treat this disease (notice no one talks about ventilators anymore, they were a mistake). A very small number of people, overwhelmingly over 65, will die of it. Some people may be able to hold out for a vaccine, maybe, but I doubt it’ll be more than 50-60% effective, will last more than 1-2 years (so you’ll get it annually) and will have other side effects that will mean some people shouldn’t be taking it. Even if there is a great vaccine, it will be like the measles, hiding just out of sight and constantly flaring up when people get dumb and don’t vaccinate.
The reality is everyone’s life expectancy just got alittle bit shorter and we as a country need to realize this and deal with it. This is why we have the WHO and normal health protocols where we praise Dr’s for finding these things early, not arrest them. The time to stop a disease like this is when it is first discovered. China blew that one and everyone pays for it.

[The-Shoveler]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru…?

IMO it is not even close to accurate count.

IMO China far under reported by 10 – 20 fold

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