60 mpg by 2025

[sdduuuude]

[quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.[/quote]

+2… Definitely…. dig the new brian…

Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage as much as that point, since I think the last thing folks consider who buy/ease in this category is how much gas mileage is or how much insurance is going to be )…BMW M3’s don’t depreciate nearly as quickly and those are pretty guzzling (though not quite as much).

Toyota’s and honda’s in general hold up better in value due to perceived reliability of being better used. Prius gets an added bonus for being a hybrid, since hybrid is so envogue. But once these come into mainstream (if they do), the extra premium for hybrid will go away….Also, there’s the german reliability factor. German cars do not hold up value very well, with the exception of special “performance” vehicles.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.[/quote]

+2… Definitely…. dig the new brian…

Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage as much as that point, since I think the last thing folks consider who buy/ease in this category is how much gas mileage is or how much insurance is going to be )…BMW M3’s don’t depreciate nearly as quickly and those are pretty guzzling (though not quite as much).

Toyota’s and honda’s in general hold up better in value due to perceived reliability of being better used. Prius gets an added bonus for being a hybrid, since hybrid is so envogue. But once these come into mainstream (if they do), the extra premium for hybrid will go away….Also, there’s the german reliability factor. German cars do not hold up value very well, with the exception of special “performance” vehicles.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.[/quote]

+2… Definitely…. dig the new brian…

Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage as much as that point, since I think the last thing folks consider who buy/ease in this category is how much gas mileage is or how much insurance is going to be )…BMW M3’s don’t depreciate nearly as quickly and those are pretty guzzling (though not quite as much).

Toyota’s and honda’s in general hold up better in value due to perceived reliability of being better used. Prius gets an added bonus for being a hybrid, since hybrid is so envogue. But once these come into mainstream (if they do), the extra premium for hybrid will go away….Also, there’s the german reliability factor. German cars do not hold up value very well, with the exception of special “performance” vehicles.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.[/quote]

+2… Definitely…. dig the new brian…

Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage as much as that point, since I think the last thing folks consider who buy/ease in this category is how much gas mileage is or how much insurance is going to be )…BMW M3’s don’t depreciate nearly as quickly and those are pretty guzzling (though not quite as much).

Toyota’s and honda’s in general hold up better in value due to perceived reliability of being better used. Prius gets an added bonus for being a hybrid, since hybrid is so envogue. But once these come into mainstream (if they do), the extra premium for hybrid will go away….Also, there’s the german reliability factor. German cars do not hold up value very well, with the exception of special “performance” vehicles.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]You are right, Ren.
The question remains: will American companies build most of the cars we drive 30 years from now?

It looks like gas guzzlers are depreciating really fast these days.

Look at the resale price of this Mercedes S430.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/sclass/8716/prices.html

A used Prius, which originally sold for much less, is worth more.[/quote]

Interesting.

This, I have no problems with !

Brian, I have to admit since you have turned over a new leaf of avoiding the political bitch-wars, your posts are much more insightful – all around. I actually stop and think about your posts now.[/quote]

+2… Definitely…. dig the new brian…

Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage as much as that point, since I think the last thing folks consider who buy/ease in this category is how much gas mileage is or how much insurance is going to be )…BMW M3’s don’t depreciate nearly as quickly and those are pretty guzzling (though not quite as much).

Toyota’s and honda’s in general hold up better in value due to perceived reliability of being better used. Prius gets an added bonus for being a hybrid, since hybrid is so envogue. But once these come into mainstream (if they do), the extra premium for hybrid will go away….Also, there’s the german reliability factor. German cars do not hold up value very well, with the exception of special “performance” vehicles.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage [/quote]

I agree with you.

I was just saying that there are plenty of used gas guzzling cars to choose from.

As Ren said, we don’t need to worry about choice. The manufacturers will still be making plenty of performance cars. It’s just the price point that will vary.

Remember, the transportation business was always highly subsidized. The government built canals for boats. The government built tracks and gave away free land for rail. The government built tracks for street cars then ripped them out to build roads and freeways for cars. The government built airports for planes.

Are you we going to have the mandates necessary to build the next generation of transport?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage [/quote]

I agree with you.

I was just saying that there are plenty of used gas guzzling cars to choose from.

As Ren said, we don’t need to worry about choice. The manufacturers will still be making plenty of performance cars. It’s just the price point that will vary.

Remember, the transportation business was always highly subsidized. The government built canals for boats. The government built tracks and gave away free land for rail. The government built tracks for street cars then ripped them out to build roads and freeways for cars. The government built airports for planes.

Are you we going to have the mandates necessary to build the next generation of transport?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage [/quote]

I agree with you.

I was just saying that there are plenty of used gas guzzling cars to choose from.

As Ren said, we don’t need to worry about choice. The manufacturers will still be making plenty of performance cars. It’s just the price point that will vary.

Remember, the transportation business was always highly subsidized. The government built canals for boats. The government built tracks and gave away free land for rail. The government built tracks for street cars then ripped them out to build roads and freeways for cars. The government built airports for planes.

Are you we going to have the mandates necessary to build the next generation of transport?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage [/quote]

I agree with you.

I was just saying that there are plenty of used gas guzzling cars to choose from.

As Ren said, we don’t need to worry about choice. The manufacturers will still be making plenty of performance cars. It’s just the price point that will vary.

Remember, the transportation business was always highly subsidized. The government built canals for boats. The government built tracks and gave away free land for rail. The government built tracks for street cars then ripped them out to build roads and freeways for cars. The government built airports for planes.

Are you we going to have the mandates necessary to build the next generation of transport?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Brian, those higher end estate coach cars depreciate fast because people that drive those typically lease and do a lease return at the end of it…and/or trade in pretty quickly. There’s the prestige factor of getting the latest and greatest if there is a redesign. So for example, the S430 is on the older body style, it’s will sell considerably less than the newer body style S class. I don’t think it has to do with the gas mileage [/quote]

I agree with you.

I was just saying that there are plenty of used gas guzzling cars to choose from.

As Ren said, we don’t need to worry about choice. The manufacturers will still be making plenty of performance cars. It’s just the price point that will vary.

Remember, the transportation business was always highly subsidized. The government built canals for boats. The government built tracks and gave away free land for rail. The government built tracks for street cars then ripped them out to build roads and freeways for cars. The government built airports for planes.

Are you we going to have the mandates necessary to build the next generation of transport?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?[/quote]

Yes – absolutely, it is. It is not only my right. It is everyone’s. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is unalienable.

[quote=justme]We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves.[/quote]

Again – this is your opinion. What is “too much” ? Who is to say? Certainly not you. You don’t have the right to dictate how much is too much. Who are you, the King of America or something ?[/quote]

What is this nonsense that my opinion is “just an opinion” but that your opinion is an “unalienable right”. This is just libertarian bullcrap.

And you haven’t answered my question: Does my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness give me the right to saddle your grandchildren with a monetary deficit?

If NOT, how come you have the right to saddle future generations with an energy deficit?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?[/quote]

Yes – absolutely, it is. It is not only my right. It is everyone’s. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is unalienable.

[quote=justme]We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves.[/quote]

Again – this is your opinion. What is “too much” ? Who is to say? Certainly not you. You don’t have the right to dictate how much is too much. Who are you, the King of America or something ?[/quote]

What is this nonsense that my opinion is “just an opinion” but that your opinion is an “unalienable right”. This is just libertarian bullcrap.

And you haven’t answered my question: Does my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness give me the right to saddle your grandchildren with a monetary deficit?

If NOT, how come you have the right to saddle future generations with an energy deficit?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?[/quote]

Yes – absolutely, it is. It is not only my right. It is everyone’s. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is unalienable.

[quote=justme]We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves.[/quote]

Again – this is your opinion. What is “too much” ? Who is to say? Certainly not you. You don’t have the right to dictate how much is too much. Who are you, the King of America or something ?[/quote]

What is this nonsense that my opinion is “just an opinion” but that your opinion is an “unalienable right”. This is just libertarian bullcrap.

And you haven’t answered my question: Does my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness give me the right to saddle your grandchildren with a monetary deficit?

If NOT, how come you have the right to saddle future generations with an energy deficit?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?[/quote]

Yes – absolutely, it is. It is not only my right. It is everyone’s. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is unalienable.

[quote=justme]We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves.[/quote]

Again – this is your opinion. What is “too much” ? Who is to say? Certainly not you. You don’t have the right to dictate how much is too much. Who are you, the King of America or something ?[/quote]

What is this nonsense that my opinion is “just an opinion” but that your opinion is an “unalienable right”. This is just libertarian bullcrap.

And you haven’t answered my question: Does my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness give me the right to saddle your grandchildren with a monetary deficit?

If NOT, how come you have the right to saddle future generations with an energy deficit?

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