60 mpg by 2025

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Sorry, tg, but iCar? Sorry but that’s the worse idea ever. Want to charge your iCar with a different power plug? Sorry, not a valid accessory. Want to have that fancy new navigation? Sorry, have to pay for a new car to get that. Want to turn on the A/C? Sorry, but Apple don’t think you need A/C and it’s wasting too much gas and energy doing it, so you can’t use it, although it can.

Now, if you say, hookup NASA with Google, that’s the partnership I can get behind :-).

For me, first car that get 60MPG, get to 60MPH in < 5 sec., and run the Nürburgring < 8 minutes win. BTW, CTS-V is almost there. I'm sure if they put a super duper tall 7th gear in where it's traveling 65MPH at 1000 RPM, it might get really close to that 60MPG, assuming the road is flat. Else, the government can just reduce the speed limit down to 40MPH and all the MPG will go way up.

[Coronita]

TG,

60mpg would just about kill most speed laws..Fuel economy has actually gone down considerably from recent times for a couple of reasons. But namely, while most modern engines run more efficiently, most modern day cars have considerably gone up in weight. Part of the reasons are

1) Increased safety measures. Stronger frames, better crash protection, more safety equipment

2) All the electronic crap that is put into a car these days, nav, entertainment systems etc.

This isn’t going away anytime soon, since consumers are demanding #2 (case in point..yourself) and #1 is essential. While these nice science experiments do prove that a prototype, lightweight, pod can achieve higher gas mileage, most of it won’t be carried over into the real world. I think any such government mandate to have an arbitrary MPG requirement across the board by an arbitrary date would kill just all we know and love about cars and turn them into toaster appliances with no soul/etc.I used 60mph as an example of what the government could do to increase the mpg of cars. Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient. Anyway, we’re barking up the wrong tree here imho. If the consider is dependency on foreign oil, environment etc, we’re better of spending time coming up with alternative fuels….

No regulation is needed for this. The markets will take care of this just fine…See, when gas prices were almost $5/gallon, people started to cut back on travel, and then there was this mad dash to find alternative fuels. Now that gas is back to around $3/gallon, people don’t care as much about conservation and alternative fuels….So the best way to reshape our energy dependency is let the markets take care of it. If the cost of alternative fuel becomes competitive to petro, problem solved.

Unrelated to this topic, I can’t relate to the iCar idea. I frankly think car manufacturers are putting too much crap into a car. A car is meant to be driven. Why are car companies trying to put the ability to read email into a car, a wifi hotspot in a car,etc etc etc..Then again, I’m the type of person that special orders to have everything taken out. No sunroof (don’t like the idea of imploding sunroofs), no technology package (don’t like to deal with electrical gremlins), no dvd infotainment system, etc.

[Coronita]

TG,

60mpg would just about kill most speed laws..Fuel economy has actually gone down considerably from recent times for a couple of reasons. But namely, while most modern engines run more efficiently, most modern day cars have considerably gone up in weight. Part of the reasons are

1) Increased safety measures. Stronger frames, better crash protection, more safety equipment

2) All the electronic crap that is put into a car these days, nav, entertainment systems etc.

This isn’t going away anytime soon, since consumers are demanding #2 (case in point..yourself) and #1 is essential. While these nice science experiments do prove that a prototype, lightweight, pod can achieve higher gas mileage, most of it won’t be carried over into the real world. I think any such government mandate to have an arbitrary MPG requirement across the board by an arbitrary date would kill just all we know and love about cars and turn them into toaster appliances with no soul/etc.I used 60mph as an example of what the government could do to increase the mpg of cars. Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient. Anyway, we’re barking up the wrong tree here imho. If the consider is dependency on foreign oil, environment etc, we’re better of spending time coming up with alternative fuels….

No regulation is needed for this. The markets will take care of this just fine…See, when gas prices were almost $5/gallon, people started to cut back on travel, and then there was this mad dash to find alternative fuels. Now that gas is back to around $3/gallon, people don’t care as much about conservation and alternative fuels….So the best way to reshape our energy dependency is let the markets take care of it. If the cost of alternative fuel becomes competitive to petro, problem solved.

Unrelated to this topic, I can’t relate to the iCar idea. I frankly think car manufacturers are putting too much crap into a car. A car is meant to be driven. Why are car companies trying to put the ability to read email into a car, a wifi hotspot in a car,etc etc etc..Then again, I’m the type of person that special orders to have everything taken out. No sunroof (don’t like the idea of imploding sunroofs), no technology package (don’t like to deal with electrical gremlins), no dvd infotainment system, etc.

[Coronita]

TG,

60mpg would just about kill most speed laws..Fuel economy has actually gone down considerably from recent times for a couple of reasons. But namely, while most modern engines run more efficiently, most modern day cars have considerably gone up in weight. Part of the reasons are

1) Increased safety measures. Stronger frames, better crash protection, more safety equipment

2) All the electronic crap that is put into a car these days, nav, entertainment systems etc.

This isn’t going away anytime soon, since consumers are demanding #2 (case in point..yourself) and #1 is essential. While these nice science experiments do prove that a prototype, lightweight, pod can achieve higher gas mileage, most of it won’t be carried over into the real world. I think any such government mandate to have an arbitrary MPG requirement across the board by an arbitrary date would kill just all we know and love about cars and turn them into toaster appliances with no soul/etc.I used 60mph as an example of what the government could do to increase the mpg of cars. Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient. Anyway, we’re barking up the wrong tree here imho. If the consider is dependency on foreign oil, environment etc, we’re better of spending time coming up with alternative fuels….

No regulation is needed for this. The markets will take care of this just fine…See, when gas prices were almost $5/gallon, people started to cut back on travel, and then there was this mad dash to find alternative fuels. Now that gas is back to around $3/gallon, people don’t care as much about conservation and alternative fuels….So the best way to reshape our energy dependency is let the markets take care of it. If the cost of alternative fuel becomes competitive to petro, problem solved.

Unrelated to this topic, I can’t relate to the iCar idea. I frankly think car manufacturers are putting too much crap into a car. A car is meant to be driven. Why are car companies trying to put the ability to read email into a car, a wifi hotspot in a car,etc etc etc..Then again, I’m the type of person that special orders to have everything taken out. No sunroof (don’t like the idea of imploding sunroofs), no technology package (don’t like to deal with electrical gremlins), no dvd infotainment system, etc.

[Coronita]

TG,

60mpg would just about kill most speed laws..Fuel economy has actually gone down considerably from recent times for a couple of reasons. But namely, while most modern engines run more efficiently, most modern day cars have considerably gone up in weight. Part of the reasons are

1) Increased safety measures. Stronger frames, better crash protection, more safety equipment

2) All the electronic crap that is put into a car these days, nav, entertainment systems etc.

This isn’t going away anytime soon, since consumers are demanding #2 (case in point..yourself) and #1 is essential. While these nice science experiments do prove that a prototype, lightweight, pod can achieve higher gas mileage, most of it won’t be carried over into the real world. I think any such government mandate to have an arbitrary MPG requirement across the board by an arbitrary date would kill just all we know and love about cars and turn them into toaster appliances with no soul/etc.I used 60mph as an example of what the government could do to increase the mpg of cars. Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient. Anyway, we’re barking up the wrong tree here imho. If the consider is dependency on foreign oil, environment etc, we’re better of spending time coming up with alternative fuels….

No regulation is needed for this. The markets will take care of this just fine…See, when gas prices were almost $5/gallon, people started to cut back on travel, and then there was this mad dash to find alternative fuels. Now that gas is back to around $3/gallon, people don’t care as much about conservation and alternative fuels….So the best way to reshape our energy dependency is let the markets take care of it. If the cost of alternative fuel becomes competitive to petro, problem solved.

Unrelated to this topic, I can’t relate to the iCar idea. I frankly think car manufacturers are putting too much crap into a car. A car is meant to be driven. Why are car companies trying to put the ability to read email into a car, a wifi hotspot in a car,etc etc etc..Then again, I’m the type of person that special orders to have everything taken out. No sunroof (don’t like the idea of imploding sunroofs), no technology package (don’t like to deal with electrical gremlins), no dvd infotainment system, etc.

[Coronita]

TG,

60mpg would just about kill most speed laws..Fuel economy has actually gone down considerably from recent times for a couple of reasons. But namely, while most modern engines run more efficiently, most modern day cars have considerably gone up in weight. Part of the reasons are

1) Increased safety measures. Stronger frames, better crash protection, more safety equipment

2) All the electronic crap that is put into a car these days, nav, entertainment systems etc.

This isn’t going away anytime soon, since consumers are demanding #2 (case in point..yourself) and #1 is essential. While these nice science experiments do prove that a prototype, lightweight, pod can achieve higher gas mileage, most of it won’t be carried over into the real world. I think any such government mandate to have an arbitrary MPG requirement across the board by an arbitrary date would kill just all we know and love about cars and turn them into toaster appliances with no soul/etc.I used 60mph as an example of what the government could do to increase the mpg of cars. Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient. Anyway, we’re barking up the wrong tree here imho. If the consider is dependency on foreign oil, environment etc, we’re better of spending time coming up with alternative fuels….

No regulation is needed for this. The markets will take care of this just fine…See, when gas prices were almost $5/gallon, people started to cut back on travel, and then there was this mad dash to find alternative fuels. Now that gas is back to around $3/gallon, people don’t care as much about conservation and alternative fuels….So the best way to reshape our energy dependency is let the markets take care of it. If the cost of alternative fuel becomes competitive to petro, problem solved.

Unrelated to this topic, I can’t relate to the iCar idea. I frankly think car manufacturers are putting too much crap into a car. A car is meant to be driven. Why are car companies trying to put the ability to read email into a car, a wifi hotspot in a car,etc etc etc..Then again, I’m the type of person that special orders to have everything taken out. No sunroof (don’t like the idea of imploding sunroofs), no technology package (don’t like to deal with electrical gremlins), no dvd infotainment system, etc.

[XBoxBoy]

BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient.[/quote]

Hell, why stop at 55mph? Why not get out and walk? Think of the clean air! Think of all the nice healthy exercise you lard asses would get! We could solve obesity, air pollution and congested freeways all in one bold stroke!

Oh alright.. I’ll go sit in the corner with my big glass of stfu… bah humbug

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient.[/quote]

Hell, why stop at 55mph? Why not get out and walk? Think of the clean air! Think of all the nice healthy exercise you lard asses would get! We could solve obesity, air pollution and congested freeways all in one bold stroke!

Oh alright.. I’ll go sit in the corner with my big glass of stfu… bah humbug

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient.[/quote]

Hell, why stop at 55mph? Why not get out and walk? Think of the clean air! Think of all the nice healthy exercise you lard asses would get! We could solve obesity, air pollution and congested freeways all in one bold stroke!

Oh alright.. I’ll go sit in the corner with my big glass of stfu… bah humbug

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]Hell, we could slow it down to 55 again, and make things really efficient.[/quote]

Hell, why stop at 55mph? Why not get out and walk? Think of the clean air! Think of all the nice healthy exercise you lard asses would get! We could solve obesity, air pollution and congested freeways all in one bold stroke!

Oh alright.. I’ll go sit in the corner with my big glass of stfu… bah humbug

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