60 mpg by 2025

[justme]

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In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.[/quote]

Yes, please, and thank you very much!

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
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We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves. Who gives us the right to encumber future generations with a terrible energy deficit, a burden that will severely risk the future of our children.

I’m sure anyone can see the analogy: Lots of people think that it is terrible to run up financial deficits, and to burden future generations with the results.

Why aren’t more people thinking about energy in the same way?

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves. Who gives us the right to encumber future generations with a terrible energy deficit, a burden that will severely risk the future of our children.

I’m sure anyone can see the analogy: Lots of people think that it is terrible to run up financial deficits, and to burden future generations with the results.

Why aren’t more people thinking about energy in the same way?

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves. Who gives us the right to encumber future generations with a terrible energy deficit, a burden that will severely risk the future of our children.

I’m sure anyone can see the analogy: Lots of people think that it is terrible to run up financial deficits, and to burden future generations with the results.

Why aren’t more people thinking about energy in the same way?

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves. Who gives us the right to encumber future generations with a terrible energy deficit, a burden that will severely risk the future of our children.

I’m sure anyone can see the analogy: Lots of people think that it is terrible to run up financial deficits, and to burden future generations with the results.

Why aren’t more people thinking about energy in the same way?

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude]

Who has the friggin right to tell me what car I can drive and how much gas I can put in it? Furthermore – how much money would we spend enforcing a regulation like this?
[/quote]

We already have burned way too much of the world’s precious oil reserves. Who gives us the right to encumber future generations with a terrible energy deficit, a burden that will severely risk the future of our children.

I’m sure anyone can see the analogy: Lots of people think that it is terrible to run up financial deficits, and to burden future generations with the results.

Why aren’t more people thinking about energy in the same way?

Is your right to individual irresponsibility more important than the basic needs of our grandchildren?

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=XBoxBoy]

Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?

And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:

http://www.carleton.ca/JMC/cnews/29092000/n6.htm%5B/quote%5D

So is my question not clear? This is the second time you have not answered it. Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?

It’s all good and well that you say you support gas taxes too, but the point of this thread was to promote regulation. But yet it seems that you aren’t able to defend why regulation is a better solution than gas taxes. If so, then why are you so busy trying to promote the less optimal solution?

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=XBoxBoy]

Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?

And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:

http://www.carleton.ca/JMC/cnews/29092000/n6.htm%5B/quote%5D

So is my question not clear? This is the second time you have not answered it. Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?

It’s all good and well that you say you support gas taxes too, but the point of this thread was to promote regulation. But yet it seems that you aren’t able to defend why regulation is a better solution than gas taxes. If so, then why are you so busy trying to promote the less optimal solution?

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=XBoxBoy]

Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?

And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:

http://www.carleton.ca/JMC/cnews/29092000/n6.htm%5B/quote%5D

So is my question not clear? This is the second time you have not answered it. Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?

It’s all good and well that you say you support gas taxes too, but the point of this thread was to promote regulation. But yet it seems that you aren’t able to defend why regulation is a better solution than gas taxes. If so, then why are you so busy trying to promote the less optimal solution?

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=XBoxBoy]

Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?

And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:

http://www.carleton.ca/JMC/cnews/29092000/n6.htm%5B/quote%5D

So is my question not clear? This is the second time you have not answered it. Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?

It’s all good and well that you say you support gas taxes too, but the point of this thread was to promote regulation. But yet it seems that you aren’t able to defend why regulation is a better solution than gas taxes. If so, then why are you so busy trying to promote the less optimal solution?

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=XBoxBoy]

Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?

And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:

http://www.carleton.ca/JMC/cnews/29092000/n6.htm%5B/quote%5D

So is my question not clear? This is the second time you have not answered it. Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?

It’s all good and well that you say you support gas taxes too, but the point of this thread was to promote regulation. But yet it seems that you aren’t able to defend why regulation is a better solution than gas taxes. If so, then why are you so busy trying to promote the less optimal solution?

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=XBoxBoy]Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?
[/quote]

I never said that regulation was better than taxation. Taxation is probably better because it would start inhibiting demand immediately. My guess is the environmental groups don’t push for increased gas taxes because they know that the public won’t support it. So they go for the next best thing which is increasing the CAFE standards.

I’m in favor of anything that will inhibit burning of fossil fuels, so I support both increasing the CAFE standards and increasing the gas tax. Unfortunately, I’m likely in the minority on the gas tax increase and thus have to live with the preferences of the majority which is no gas tax increases.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=XBoxBoy]Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?
[/quote]

I never said that regulation was better than taxation. Taxation is probably better because it would start inhibiting demand immediately. My guess is the environmental groups don’t push for increased gas taxes because they know that the public won’t support it. So they go for the next best thing which is increasing the CAFE standards.

I’m in favor of anything that will inhibit burning of fossil fuels, so I support both increasing the CAFE standards and increasing the gas tax. Unfortunately, I’m likely in the minority on the gas tax increase and thus have to live with the preferences of the majority which is no gas tax increases.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=XBoxBoy]Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?
[/quote]

I never said that regulation was better than taxation. Taxation is probably better because it would start inhibiting demand immediately. My guess is the environmental groups don’t push for increased gas taxes because they know that the public won’t support it. So they go for the next best thing which is increasing the CAFE standards.

I’m in favor of anything that will inhibit burning of fossil fuels, so I support both increasing the CAFE standards and increasing the gas tax. Unfortunately, I’m likely in the minority on the gas tax increase and thus have to live with the preferences of the majority which is no gas tax increases.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=XBoxBoy]Please tell us, what are the advantages of regulation over taxation?
[/quote]

I never said that regulation was better than taxation. Taxation is probably better because it would start inhibiting demand immediately. My guess is the environmental groups don’t push for increased gas taxes because they know that the public won’t support it. So they go for the next best thing which is increasing the CAFE standards.

I’m in favor of anything that will inhibit burning of fossil fuels, so I support both increasing the CAFE standards and increasing the gas tax. Unfortunately, I’m likely in the minority on the gas tax increase and thus have to live with the preferences of the majority which is no gas tax increases.

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