60 mpg by 2025

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=XBoxBoy]BigGovernmentIsGood,

Can you tell us what is the advantage of passing a regulation rather than taxing gasoline at higher rates? It would seem to me that regulation always has loop holes, and corporations will do only the very minimum to sneak by the regulation. Whereas taxing gasoline means that consumers would actively choose fuel efficient cars over poor efficiency cars, plus your big government would get lots of tax dollars. (Which it desperately needs) So, why are you and the other environmental groups always so gung ho for regulation but never mention or support increasing taxes on gasoline?

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Who are these environmentalists that are opposed to high gas taxes? I certainly don’t know of any.

Maybe an even better idea would be to add a sales surtax to gas guzzlers and a subsidy to high-mpg vehicles. I’m thinking maybe a 50% sales surtax on SUVs and other gas guzzlers that some deficient people need to drive in order not to feel like pansies. On the other end of the spectrum, high-mpg cars that get over 40 mpg would receive a sliding subsidy that tops out at 50% for cars that effectively average 100 mpg.

[scaredyclassic]

heck my ancient japanese car still beats some of the newest green car for mileage with a few hundred thousand miles on it. and it almost never breaks down. unfortunately it doesnt have any a/c and i’d probably die instantly in a crash. but still…it’s worth it…

[scaredyclassic]

heck my ancient japanese car still beats some of the newest green car for mileage with a few hundred thousand miles on it. and it almost never breaks down. unfortunately it doesnt have any a/c and i’d probably die instantly in a crash. but still…it’s worth it…

[scaredyclassic]

heck my ancient japanese car still beats some of the newest green car for mileage with a few hundred thousand miles on it. and it almost never breaks down. unfortunately it doesnt have any a/c and i’d probably die instantly in a crash. but still…it’s worth it…

[scaredyclassic]

heck my ancient japanese car still beats some of the newest green car for mileage with a few hundred thousand miles on it. and it almost never breaks down. unfortunately it doesnt have any a/c and i’d probably die instantly in a crash. but still…it’s worth it…

[scaredyclassic]

heck my ancient japanese car still beats some of the newest green car for mileage with a few hundred thousand miles on it. and it almost never breaks down. unfortunately it doesnt have any a/c and i’d probably die instantly in a crash. but still…it’s worth it…

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If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?

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If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?

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If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?

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If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?

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If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?

[briansd1]

[quote=afx114]If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?[/quote]

Great point.

We talk green energy… but we have too many vested interest that will stop it.

China is one upping us; and I expect future electric car makers to be Chinese. While we dilly dally, China will mandate electric cars in certain cities, creating instant markets for their manufacturers.

Look at what is happening in CA.

Now a well-financed coalition of right-wing ideologues, out-of-state oil and gas companies and climate-change skeptics is seeking to effectively kill that law with an initiative on the November state ballot. The money men include Charles and David Koch, the Kansas oil and gas billionaires who have played a prominent role in financing the Tea Party movement.

The 2006 law, known as AB 32, is aimed at reducing California’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80 percent at midcentury. To reach these targets, state agencies are drawing up regulations that would affect businesses and consumers across the board — requiring even cleaner cars, more energy-efficient buildings and appliances, and power plants that use alternative energy sources like wind instead of older fossil fuels.

And now look at what is happening in China.

China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

[briansd1]

[quote=afx114]If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?[/quote]

Great point.

We talk green energy… but we have too many vested interest that will stop it.

China is one upping us; and I expect future electric car makers to be Chinese. While we dilly dally, China will mandate electric cars in certain cities, creating instant markets for their manufacturers.

Look at what is happening in CA.

Now a well-financed coalition of right-wing ideologues, out-of-state oil and gas companies and climate-change skeptics is seeking to effectively kill that law with an initiative on the November state ballot. The money men include Charles and David Koch, the Kansas oil and gas billionaires who have played a prominent role in financing the Tea Party movement.

The 2006 law, known as AB 32, is aimed at reducing California’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80 percent at midcentury. To reach these targets, state agencies are drawing up regulations that would affect businesses and consumers across the board — requiring even cleaner cars, more energy-efficient buildings and appliances, and power plants that use alternative energy sources like wind instead of older fossil fuels.

And now look at what is happening in China.

China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

[briansd1]

[quote=afx114]If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?[/quote]

Great point.

We talk green energy… but we have too many vested interest that will stop it.

China is one upping us; and I expect future electric car makers to be Chinese. While we dilly dally, China will mandate electric cars in certain cities, creating instant markets for their manufacturers.

Look at what is happening in CA.

Now a well-financed coalition of right-wing ideologues, out-of-state oil and gas companies and climate-change skeptics is seeking to effectively kill that law with an initiative on the November state ballot. The money men include Charles and David Koch, the Kansas oil and gas billionaires who have played a prominent role in financing the Tea Party movement.

The 2006 law, known as AB 32, is aimed at reducing California’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80 percent at midcentury. To reach these targets, state agencies are drawing up regulations that would affect businesses and consumers across the board — requiring even cleaner cars, more energy-efficient buildings and appliances, and power plants that use alternative energy sources like wind instead of older fossil fuels.

And now look at what is happening in China.

China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

[briansd1]

[quote=afx114]If we had listened to all of these anti-regulation arguments in the late 70s, would we all still be driving cars getting 16MPG? Or would the market have taken care of that?[/quote]

Great point.

We talk green energy… but we have too many vested interest that will stop it.

China is one upping us; and I expect future electric car makers to be Chinese. While we dilly dally, China will mandate electric cars in certain cities, creating instant markets for their manufacturers.

Look at what is happening in CA.

Now a well-financed coalition of right-wing ideologues, out-of-state oil and gas companies and climate-change skeptics is seeking to effectively kill that law with an initiative on the November state ballot. The money men include Charles and David Koch, the Kansas oil and gas billionaires who have played a prominent role in financing the Tea Party movement.

The 2006 law, known as AB 32, is aimed at reducing California’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80 percent at midcentury. To reach these targets, state agencies are drawing up regulations that would affect businesses and consumers across the board — requiring even cleaner cars, more energy-efficient buildings and appliances, and power plants that use alternative energy sources like wind instead of older fossil fuels.

And now look at what is happening in China.

China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

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